NO TROLLS Another AFL player charged with sexual assault

[PetterdHoisted]

That should be up to the player who is yet to be proven guilty, not the club. You nor the club have any right to destroy the life of a msn yet to stand trial. Imagine you eventually end up inmocent and you had to stand down from your career and ruin your life in the process of lost AFL earnings and success.

You are absolutely right, strictly speaking, the presumption of innocence is absolute

This must have been tested in the courts, probably contract clauses allow skirting the 100% presumption of innocence

I suspect there is a sniff test - if accusations are cleary vexatious, or tenuous, you are not stood down

If things smell bad enough, you are stood down?

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

That should be up to the player who is yet to be proven guilty, not the club. You nor the club have any right to destroy the life of a msn yet to stand trial. Imagine you eventually end up inmocent and you had to stand down from your career and ruin your life in the process of lost AFL earnings and success.

Adam goodes got booes for pointing at a 13 year old in the crowd and shaming her, not for throwing a spear. Never heard anyone ever say that

Again, I would ask whether you think Josh Hill should be allowed to continue playing for Point Cook because he is yet to have his day in court?

 

[iameviljez]

That should be up to the player who is yet to be proven guilty, not the club. You nor the club have any right to destroy the life of a msn yet to stand trial. Imagine you eventually end up inmocent and you had to stand down from your career and ruin your life in the process of lost AFL earnings and success.

Adam goodes got booes for pointing at a 13 year old in the crowd and shaming her, not for throwing a spear. Never heard anyone ever say that

The club isn't "destroying the life" of the player by standing them down on full pay.

The club doesn't just have a duty to that one accused player; it has a duty to itself, and to all other employees of the club. If that player keeps playing, the crowd reaction, the alleged actions of the player, the natural reaction of the playing group to that player, will just absolutely rip the club apart. Not to mention the reaction of female support staff, and AFLW players.

There is a clause in my own contract allowing the organisation to place me on Garden Leave if it wishes, under full pay, but also under direction not to come to work.

Re: Goodes - he pointed out the girl who called him a "ape" in 2013, the booing didn't kick off till 2015 following the indigenous war dance against Carlton. That's one hell of a delay.

 

[iameviljez]

Full pay is fair.

Yeah, that's what generally happens when people are put on garden leave during investigations. Any kind of abuse of power investigation basically starts with that step.

It's also used when key staff members resign or are terminated (to stop them from either being able to access key IP, or behave against the interests of the organisation).

 

[Elixuh]

Full pay is fair.

Adam goodes was booed following shaming a 13 year old girl, it happened immediately after.

You mean because he stood up to racial abuse directed at him.

 

[radiojake]

It's staggering how many people equate 'Not Guilty" = "Innocent"

Not guilty normally lends to there not being enough evidence to convict - That is not even close to being "innocent"

I'd go as far as to say no one who is accused of sexual assault is innocent -There could be grey areas, unspoken lines crossed, miscommunication, grave misunderstandings, poor attitudes, regrets, etc but if you are innocent (as in, done nothing wrong) you're not getting a finger pointed at you and cops called

 

[BF Tiger]

Full pay is fair.

Adam goodes was booed following shaming a 13 year old girl, it happened immediately after.

Adam Goodes didn’t know she was 13 and she had called him - an indigenous man - a monkey.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I'd go as far as to say no one who is accused of sexual assault is innocent -There could be grey areas, unspoken lines crossed, miscommunication, grave misunderstandings, poor attitudes, regrets, etc but if you are innocent (as in, done nothing wrong) you're not getting a finger pointed at you and cops called

People are entirely capable of being arseholes to others by making up false allegations if they hate them that much. I'm not saying it's common, I'm saying it's possible. There are mentally unwell people out there who have warped ways of thinking.

When you read To Kill a Mockingbird, would you have said Tom Robinson was not innocent?

The middle ground I've found with such allegations is to treat the accuser with the sympathy and care one would give to a proven victim of assault, because the alternative is ugly and shouldn't ever be practised again, but also to not assume the guilt of the accused, because everyone deserves the presumption of innocence until they are proven guilty. These two things can coexist at once.

 

[The Feeder Club]

It's staggering how many people equate 'Not Guilty" = "Innocent"

Not guilty normally lends to there not being enough evidence to convict - That is not even close to being "innocent"

I'd go as far as to say no one who is accused of sexual assault is innocent -There could be grey areas, unspoken lines crossed, miscommunication, grave misunderstandings, poor attitudes, regrets, etc but if you are innocent (as in, done nothing wrong) you're not getting a finger pointed at you and cops called

In terms of criminal law, it's not staggering at all. We're all innocent, until we're proven not (beyond reasonable doubt). It is not possible for anyone to use the criminal justice system to establish their innocence, and nor should it be necessary to do so unless you want to upend the burden of proof.

And unless I am misinterpreting you, your last paragraph seems pretty dangerous. You want people to be thought of as sexual assailants for misunderstandings or because the other party wakes up the next morning with regrets?

 

[FoxJC]

Adam goodes got booes for pointing at a 13 year old in the crowd and shaming her, not for throwing a spear. Never heard anyone ever say that.

You drop kick. Adam Goodes did not shame a 13 year old girl. He educated half a million people on the correct way to behave in society. ie. not be racist

 

[demondavey]

Full pay is fair.

Adam goodes was booed following shaming a 13 year old girl, it happened immediately after.

You’re racist.

See yourself out.

 

[demondavey]

Full pay is fair.

Adam goodes was booed following shaming a 13 year old girl, it happened immediately after.

Reported for being a scumbag.

 

[Rich01]

That should be up to the player who is yet to be proven guilty, not the club. You nor the club have any right to destroy the life of a msn yet to stand trial. Imagine you eventually end up inmocent and you had to stand down from your career and ruin your life in the process of lost AFL earnings and success.

Adam goodes got booes for pointing at a 13 year old in the crowd and shaming her, not for throwing a spear. Never heard anyone ever say that

It’s a tough position to be in.
The club knows. The players know. His family and his girlfriend know.
Would the players be treating him any different?

If I knew a work colleague was charged with rape I’d think I’d have a natural bias in my view of him. It would be hard not to.

How would he be feeling turning up to work knowing everyone knows? And being scrutinised on his work if he doesn’t perform? Which he inevitably would be challenged to do so with everything playing on his mind. The pressure would be immense already.
I’d be astounded if he plays round 1.

 

[patmatcat]

It’s a tough position to be in.
The club knows. The players know. His family and his girlfriend know.
Would the players be treating him any different?

If I knew a work colleague was charged with rape I’d think I’d have a natural bias in my view of him. It would be hard not to.

How would he be feeling turning up to work knowing everyone knows? And being scrutinised on his work if he doesn’t perform? Which he inevitably would be challenged to do so with everything playing on his mind. The pressure would be immense already.
I’d be astounded if he plays round 1.

Keep a lookout for any player with alleged 8 week injury

 

[blackey]

Keep a lookout for any player with alleged 8 week injury

Why only 8 weeks