NO TROLLS Another AFL player charged with sexual assault

[demondavey]

These are actually pretty complex issues and if you have been following anything related to the office of the NSW DPP and the bringing before the courts of (to paraphrase presiding magistrates) hopeless sexual assault cases with no prospect of conviction, based on a "always believe the victim" mentality in the office of the DPP, you would know that. And the situation will only get more complicated, and nuanced, as new consent laws like the 2022 NSW laws (read up on them if you don't know what they now stipulate is required for consent) pass their way through the legal system across Australia.
I completely agree that the accused bloke here shouldn't be playing AFL and to stand him down does not assume guilt, it's just common sense for him not to play. But your take on the legal system is pretty simplistic for a highly complex and evolving issue.

I am not proposing to have a highly nuanced take on the legal system. I doubt you do either or many others do in here. However, if you’ve been charged with rape you’ve stuffed up.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I hope people who get stood down and miss out on opportunities but then get found innocent start suing companies if we're gonna start this guilty until we found out ur innocent rubbish

Not how it works.

 

[Kappa]

Let me give you a tip, if you’ve been charged with rape then there’s a pretty good chance you’ve made some poor decisions. I am sorry, but people in consensual sexual situations aren’t getting charged with rape.

You’re absolutely toxic.

This is such a HORRIBLY dumb and ignorant opinion.

False, misleading or mistaken accusations do happen, which is why we have a thing called presumption of innocence, do you understand why we have that?

 

[Kappa]

What do you think you need to have done to be charged by the police with rape? Perhaps meet a threshold by a legal definition to have committed rape?

God I hope you don’t have a daughter.

You can be charged with rape if someone accuses you of rape, you are so ignorant it's horrific.

You think everyone charged with a crime is guilty? Are you ok?

 

[Gralin]

False accusations is always the cry.

Never mind that most assaults are never reported

That reporting doesn't mean charges will be laid

That charges don't mean a conviction

You'd think we have an epidemic of false accusations the way some people behave any time a story hits the media about another assault.

We've got the opposite issue, sexual assaults and violence against women are far too common, they're in the news every week.

But the cries of false accusations continue

 

[Senor M]

Nice little court case against the AFL very easily then for defamation against the AFL if they are found not guilty

The player (all players) have clauses in their contract allowing the AFL to stand them down in these situations.

So the player would take the AFL to court for something they agreed the AFL could do?

 

[Gralin]

It won't surprise me if he did rape her the AFL should wait until that's confirmed

As has already been pointed out people get stood down at work when dealing with allegations all the time

 

[demondavey]

You can be charged with rape if someone accuses you of rape, you are so ignorant it's horrific.

You think everyone charged with a crime is guilty? Are you ok?

And how do you think you get accused? Love it, dropping the ‘are you ok?’ As a joke. Something else for you to take the piss from.

 

[demondavey]

This is such a HORRIBLY dumb and ignorant opinion.

False, misleading or mistaken accusations do happen, which is why we have a thing called presumption of innocence, do you understand why we have that?

Yeah mate, those situations are so rife because women are so dumb they want to go to such extents as to accuse a male of rape and then go through a potential arduous court process because it’s just what they do…..

Understanding why we have it and understanding being stood down after being accused and charged are two different things that no matter how hard I try you just ain’t getting it.

 

[demondavey]

You can be charged with rape if someone accuses you of rape, you are so ignorant it's horrific.

You think everyone charged with a crime is guilty? Are you ok?

Simplistic….. incredibly simplistic. Getting charged with a crime isn’t something the police just do along with a morning coffee mate.

 

[PhatBoy]

There are a lot of angles to these sorts of things that people try and ‘play’ but the end result is that it is serious enough that it’s being investigated and resulted in a charge being laid.

I can recall at uni living in shared accomodation these sort of things flared up regularly to the point where people would even end up with rather distasteful nicknames based on instances where accusations were levelled one night and recanted the next morning in sobriety by people who literally said the words ‘I am so sorry I don’t know what I was thinking and there was no substance to what I said.’

occasions like this are not like that.

This has gone to the police and they believe there is enough evidence to lay a charge. At very, VERY minimum there is something that needs to be discerned where a man’s behaviour has been questionable at best, disgusting and reprehensible at worst and the fact that he plays for my club, regardless of what level, makes me ashamed.

I hope for both of them that what is being alleged to have happened didn’t. I hope that in the wash up maybe it turns out that there was some sort of miscommunication or something I don’t know. But someone has been hurt and traumatised and I feel for her and I hope she’s ok and that it gets handled appropriately.

 

[PhatBoy]

You can be charged with rape if someone accuses you of rape, you are so ignorant it's horrific.

You think everyone charged with a crime is guilty? Are you ok?

That’s not quite how it works

 

[BF Tiger]

You can be charged with rape if someone accuses you of rape, you are so ignorant it's horrific.

You think everyone charged with a crime is guilty? Are you ok?

So the police don’t investigate, look for forensic evidence, interview the alleged victim and perpetrator, interview witnesses, create timelines, take on legal advice… they go straight from accusation to charging. Interesting. I never knew that.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Maybe now people who thought it was a joke at the time will see why the AFL came down hard on the Giants leaders who let a bunch of players lampoon sexual assault victims/perps for a few lols and why their women’s team were equally pissed.

No idea if this guy is guilty or not(or the two other secret cases were not meant to know about), but the AFL has long had a problem with its players disrespecting, abusing and sexualising women as it’s constituents are perfect candidates, demographic wise, to do so.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Tipping it was the Herald Sun who named Daw and no prizes for guessing why if they won’t name this one

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What are you presuming here?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

What are you presuming here?

News Ltd doesn’t like black people.

 

[demondavey]

What are you presuming here?

Well they threw him under the bus because he was of African background.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

News Ltd doesn’t like black people.

Yes l can see that argument and you wouldn't have to look far as to why, with
News Corp Australia, a subsidiary of the Murdoch owned News Corp in the US....

 

[CatToTheFuture]

There are a lot of angles to these sorts of things that people try and ‘play’ but the end result is that it is serious enough that it’s being investigated and resulted in a charge being laid.

I can recall at uni living in shared accomodation these sort of things flared up regularly to the point where people would even end up with rather distasteful nicknames based on instances where accusations were levelled one night and recanted the next morning in sobriety by people who literally said the words ‘I am so sorry I don’t know what I was thinking and there was no substance to what I said.’

occasions like this are not like that.

This has gone to the police and they believe there is enough evidence to lay a charge. At very, VERY minimum there is something that needs to be discerned where a man’s behaviour has been questionable at best, disgusting and reprehensible at worst and the fact that he plays for my club, regardless of what level, makes me ashamed.

I hope for both of them that what is being alleged to have happened didn’t. I hope that in the wash up maybe it turns out that there was some sort of miscommunication or something I don’t know. But someone has been hurt and traumatised and I feel for her and I hope she’s ok and that it gets handled appropriately.

Cannot endorse this post highly enough

 

[Kappa]

So the police don’t investigate, look for forensic evidence, interview the alleged victim and perpetrator, interview witnesses, create timelines, take on legal advice… they go straight from accusation to charging. Interesting. I never knew that.

Do you know police charge tonnes of people then drop the charges later, or it turns out they were innocent. How do u not understand this basic point?? Being charged with something doesn’t mean u did anything wrong. This is primary school level ffs

 

[Kappa]

That’s not quite how it works

I said “can”, please read the post carefully.

 

[Kappa]

Simplistic….. incredibly simplistic. Getting charged with a crime isn’t something the police just do along with a morning coffee mate.

Do you have any idea how many times police charge someone with a crime then later drop the charges? Happens all the time mate, get a grip.

 

[BF Tiger]

Do you know police charge tonnes of people then drop the charges later, or it turns out they were innocent. How do u not understand this basic point?? Being charged with something doesn’t mean u did anything wrong. This is primary school level ffs

You make a good point which I fully acknowledge and understood prior to you making it, but yet you still seem stuck on accusation=charges laid. Please tell me this isn’t the case.

 

[Rich01]

The fact you say alleged rapist but also victim shows exactly where your mind is at.

Until anything it's proven it's two innocent parties.

If you wanna start punishing people based on accusations that's an extremely dangerous and idiotic pathway for society to go down.

I felt the same with Dusty during chopstick gate but he was hung drawn and quartered on the back of Rita Pahanis mate who was also a channel 7 exec.

This crime is much more serious but yeah protect the accused I spose.

 

[Rich01]

The fact you say alleged rapist but also victim shows exactly where your mind is at.

Until anything it's proven it's two innocent parties.

If you wanna start punishing people based on accusations that's an extremely dangerous and idiotic pathway for society to go down.

I agree. Say just for an absolutely random example you had a name in the industry like the manager of an ex Richmond superstar footballer or a well known Carlton name and you are accused of such heinous crimes you shouldn’t have your name soiled until the jury finds you guilty.

This is how it also works for commoners though right? They have total anonymity when they are accused of the same?