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Another cop sniper - At least three police officers feared dead in Baton Rouge
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Once again proving he is the man to lead the USA out of the darkness that Barack Hussein/Crooked Hillary have lead them in to.
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People worship this guy...
I liked that he had to wait for quiet... while a supporter in the background has a sign saying "the silent majority stands with Trump"
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You just watched a clip, that wouldn't be out of place during some WWE Wrestlemania type thing... and for you it proves that he is the person to lead us?
* me...
Well he is a WWE Hall of Famer.
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So he was an ex-marine.
Another case of a "good guy with a gun" until, they're not.
Another case of a "good guy with a gun" until, they're not.
Guns aren't the problem.
There are 3 questions that need to be answered when something like this happens. WHO? HOW? WHY?
The "how" is the gun, and left-wing people generally only focus on the how. They rarely focus on the who (often young black men, or muslims) or why (racism, islamic extremism)
The USA has one of the lowest murder rates in the world with guns per 100,000 people. Honduras is number one with about 60 per 100,000 people. The USA comes in at number 111 with only 4 murders with a gun per 100,000. And yet they have the highest rate of gun ownership in the world by far.
The only reason it is a high as 4 is because of cities like Detroit where the economy is so bad that the murder rate with guns is about 50 per 100,000 people. Detroit, which has strict gun control laws has the highest gun murder rate in the country. Yet in gun mad Texas, where nearly everyone owns a firearm, a city called Plano has a per-capita murder rate of 0.4 per 100,000 people - less than Australia
If you have lower taxes, a strong economy, people in work, then you have less crime. People are happier, healthier, wealthier and better off in every aspect of their lives. A strong economy fixes almost every problem society has. Of course, you will never hear the truth as I have pointed out here, because the truth destroys the left-wing narrative.
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Many homicides also involve a legally owned firearm:
The reasons for the lower rates of 'legally owned firearms' being used for homicide in Australia and the UK is due to the greater difficulty in obtaining firearms in those nations. If a crim wants a gun, he has to get it from another crim. Making firearms harder to obtain lawfully has (rather unsuprisingly) a direct corellation to a reduction in the number of otherwise law abiding people who wind up murdering someone with one.
Im aware the USA has a huge problem with unlawfully obtained firearms, but how do those firearms get into circulation in the first place? You guessed it, on account of people lawfully purchasing them, and then those guns getting lost, stolen dodgily sold, given away or falling through the cracks in other ways.
Take a country with zero guns and zero gun deaths, and now give a gun lawfully to half the nations population - under a lax system of registration. Shootings (accidents, domestic violence, murders) start to happen, and within years many of those guns will be lost, stolen, misplaced, or unlawfully sold off. Bam presto, we now have a thriving black market gun trade flourishing. People now feel less safe than they did prior, and more people want lawful access to guns to pretect themselves (placing a further demand on both the legal and illegal gun trade). People call for a relaxation of gun controll laws in order to ease lawful access to guns, and allow even more more law abiding citizens even more guns.
More guns surely follow, the problem gets worse, the number of illegal and legal guns in the market increases. Mass shootings start to become regular occurences, and gun homicides soar.
The answer to the issue according to the NRA, predictably, is 'more guns, less regulation'.
Its utter and total ******* madness.
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God you're full of s**t. The USA has a low firearm homicide rate when compared to third world war zones.
The US has a firearm homicide rate of 3.43 per 100,000 per annum.
Thats over 20 times more than Australia (by contrast) which has a firearm Homicide rate of 0.16 per 100,000 per annum, and more than 10 times more than any other developed country.
By contrast our road toll is 5.4 per 100,000 per annum.
No corellation at all. Jesus H Christ.
Don't speak to me like that please
That firearm rate is extremely low. That graph you showed is totally misleading, because it shows the USA's rate right up in the top right hand corner as if it's some huge outlier, when the graph is only presented that way with the Y-Axis going up to 10. In some countries it goes up to 60. It also only shows gun related deaths, when the only stat that matters is gun murders. Suicides are not relevant because the person (had they not had a gun) would have just killed themselves in another fashion. The only stat that matters for the purposes of the discussion is "gun murders." Having a rate 20 times above Australia is misleading when dealing with such small numbers, especially when you take into account that not every person that gets killed is an innocent person. If a home invader gets shot and killed, I doubt many would care. Innocents murdered with a gun, is really the only relevant number.
The USA is in the bottom half of all the nations and territories in the world when it comes to total per capita murders and virtually all of those nations ranked higher are big state left-wing socialist utopias with stringent gun control laws. How tragically disappointing that must be for moral superiors such as yourself. Unfortunately for the left it gets a lot worse because America's murder rate per hundred thousand citizens is artificially much higher than it should be because it includes so many deadly murderous toxic places like Detroit like I mentioned earlier.
If Detroit was a country it would just be behind Venezuela for second as the most murderous country in the world. Just after Detroit is New Orleans with about 50 gun murders per 100,000 people, Baltimore on 34, Oakland 31.
America's per capita average of 3.5 murders (I said 4.7 we must be getting number from a different year or different source) includes all of those high crime areas, yet the murder rate is still only 3.5. As discussed earlier Plano Texas, (And texas is gun ownership central USA) has a murder rate with guns of 0.4 per 100,000 people. If the rest of the country had that murder rate, the USA would be number 211 in the world.
Sure, guns are the "how", but they are not the "who" and the "why" and if you address the who and the why you pretty much solve every problem. If you have low unemployment and a strong economy you have less crime. Fix that, and you have less gun murders. Proof of that : Detroit.
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Of more relevance is the fact he was ex-military. In Iraq for 7 months.
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No. Its not. Its literally more than twenty times ours, and leads the developed worlds by a considerable margin.
Thats because it is a huge outlier. It has shitloads of guns per capita. More than anywhere else in the world.
Bullshit. Proven not true over and over again. Guns (when available) are the leading causes of suicides among men (women prefer to poison themselves).
If I accept your argument that easy access to the most commonly used and lethal method of ending ones life has no bearing on suicide rates, then (by extension) neither would handing every Aussie a cyanide pill or installing a suicide booth on every corner in Australia impact suicide rates.
No thats not the only stat that matters. Suicides and gun accidents are equally important. Among many other stats. Which includes 'accidental' shooting by Cops, which you virtually never see in Australia becuase our Cops are generally not jumpy nervous wrecks pulling people over and jamming guns in their faces.
That recent Cop in Queensland being a notable exception. But thats Queensland for you. They also voted in Pauline Hanson, (twice), and had some kind of love affair with Jo Bjelkie Peterson so to say I dont trust the judgement of your average Queenslander is an understatement.
Lawless third world shitholes and war torn backwater parts of the globe.
Lets compare apples to apples. The USA to other developed stable liberal democracies it shares a common bond with Like the UK. Or NZ. Or Australia. Or Ireland.
That you post this stat as evidence for the strength of your argument absolutely astounds me.
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http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...15891/the-u-s-is-a-world-leader-in-gun-deaths
Just so no one falls for the half story crap you're pushing. For a developed nation, the US ranks high. For a 'western' nations, the US ranks high
Now you suggest low unemployment and a strong economy will fix this. Comparing it to other high gun related crime countries, are you saying the US is closer to a developing country in economy and unemployment, than a developed one?
How does the US economy and unemployment compare to other developed countries?
20 times more means little when ours is so low. The USA's murder rate with a gun is very low by world standards. And whilst it leads the developed world that is also misleading. Many people killed with a gun are bad people. Yes lots of terrible people do the killing, but just as many terrible people are killed. These are people that won't be missed. The amount of innocent people killed with a gun is low.
it's only a huge outlier on a Y-Axis that conveniently only goes up to 10, instead of 60. It's also a graph that shows all gun deaths. This is irrelevant, because the only stats that matters is innocents murdered with a gun. Suicides are not relevant.
Don't swear. Sucides are not relevant to the discussion. Now of course mental illness is a huge problem and we don't want people killing themselves, but it is their own choice. You can't blame the gun because someone chose to end their own life. They made that decision themselves.
Rubbish. Gun accidents I accept yes. Suicides are a deliberate act to end your own life. Sweden has one of the highest sucide rates in the world, and it isn't with guns. We are talking about a weapon being used to kill people, not deliberately ending your own life. That is a completely different topic.
Like Detroit and Baltimore. Yet in other parts of the USA with less gun restrictions, the gun-murder rate is less than 1 per 100,000. It's only by artificially inflating the numbers in failed cities like Detroit that the figures gets as high as 3.5. If you have a strong economy, like most of the rest of the country, the rate would be less than 2 maybe less than 1 just like Plano Texas.
I agree with that. All have low gun murder rates. Yes the USA have the highest, but 3.5 per 100,000 is not much when it goes up to 60 and beyond in places like Honduras. And how many of those 3.5 are bad people who we all wouldn't miss?
It's entirely relevant. Take out the cities with failed economies, and the rest of the country has a remarkably low gun-murder rate. And like i said, you have to look beyond the numbers too. Of those 3.5 murders per 100,000 people how many are innocents? I would suggest most are not nice people. Is it a bad thing if a home invader in the USA is shot and killed?
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I'm not saying that at all.
Honduras, with less than half the gun ownership of the USA has over 15 times as many murders with a gun. 60 compared to the roughly 4 of the USA.
Yes the USA is higher than Australia, but comparing the number 4 to 0.26 and saying "oh it's 15 times more" is totally different to comparing the number 60 to the number 4 which is 15 times higher. The fact that the USA is a developed first-world country is why the gun-murder rate is as low as it is, and not in the realsm of Mexcio (which is about 50 per 100,000 people)
4, by world standards is low. And as I said, how many of those killed with a gun are bad people? I don't know but i'd guess most. The only number that matters is innocent people killed with a gun, which would surely be even far far less.
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So we need to take out the bad people shot in America, doesn't that mean we need to take it out of the stats in the rest of the world?
You can interpret the numbers however you want. I'm just saying 4 is low, and if you take out the bad people who are killed (i.e home invaders) it would be even less.
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Mexico is only 3 times more than America. By your logic, it's not even that bad (Mexico is 12, not 50 according to the link I posted. Where are you pulling 50 from?)
But I mean, how many of the people killed in Mexico are bad people? So you probably can't even count their rate, it's probably closer to one. Because, you know, we have to adjust the stat for bad people being shot
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Yes, but as the link I gave you showed, placing America against other regions shows how high it is.
Again, you're saying other places are worse, but downplaying Americas numbers because "bad people"
