Another thread about Varcoe

[RememberMe]

First of all, does anyone know why he wasn't picked for the first NAB cup game? He's not injured, so it must indicate that he was not up to scratch. Is this acceptable? Yes, we drafted him young, yes, he had an injury, and yes, he has big wraps on him (ie. Ablett handing down his number), but how long can he do nothing for? Obviously, if he can't even get picked for a NAB cup game, he must not even be in our top 30? Perhaps Thompson is hiding him from the competition to launch him in a big way at the start of the season? Who knows?

I saw him play a few VFL games last year, and he showed glimpses. The club and supporters alike were keen to throw around the excuses... Yeh but, no but, injury, but, no preseason but, but surely if he does nothing this year the excuses can't continue.

I'm fairly sure that he will get picked for this second NAB cup game against Port, and IMO, he must show something. Don't get me wrong, I want him to succeed, but ATM hes pissing me off.

 

[cat_fanatic]

Unfortunately RM I think we may have a bit of a dud on our hands. This is not what any one wants to hear but I’m beginning to think Thompson is hiding him from the seniors as it would do nothing but frustrate supporters with his lack of progress.

Yes he has shown glimpses, but a second year midfield type player should warrant selection in the pre-season, particularly since he was a first-round draft pick. Either Varcoe is injured again and it is not being released by the club or he just isn’t very good.

Either way I am also getting really angry and want some answers.

 

[carn_the_cattas]

He played in the VFL before the game. Wasn't too bad but Djerrkura was way better and it was only his first VFL game.

 

[CF]

Unfortunately RM I think we may have a bit of a dud on our hands. This is not what any one wants to hear but I’m beginning to think Thompson is hiding him from the seniors as it would do nothing but frustrate supporters with his lack of progress.

Yes he has shown glimpses, but a second year midfield type player should warrant selection in the pre-season, particularly since he was a first-round draft pick. Either Varcoe is injured again and it is not being released by the club or he just isn’t very good.

Either way I am also getting really angry and want some answers.

I am not going to answer this because it has been answered a hundred times. But I will be happy when you have to eat some humble pie. You should get your chance to see him on the weekend as he will be picked for the Darwin game.

 

[sarah.13]

Fellows, I too am anxious to have a look at him but lets not forget that even Prismall did not play seniors until his second year and there's only been 1 NAB game so far.

If he is unable to make some sort of an impression this year (even if it's only in the VFL ) then we should be concerned.

There is no doubt he has talent give him some time to build himself up physically after all he is only 18, has missed a lot of footy and had a major injury. I'm sure Wells knows what he's doing, don't you agree.

 

[cat_fanatic]

I am not going to answer this because it has been answered a hundred times. But I will be happy when you have to eat some humble pie. You should get your chance to see him on the weekend as he will be picked for the Darwin game.

Hope your right CmF, and i do love pie!

However, as optimistic as you are, i don't think he will be selected this weekend.

 

[CF]

Hope your right CmF, and i do love pie!

However, as optimistic as you are, i don't think he will be selected this weekend.

with 5-6 senior players being rested and an extended interchange bench to 8, I think he will get a game.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

I have seen him in two scratch matches this year..I would describe him as a classy and still very young outside player who needs alot of development and patience..if we give him that opportunity he will be great for us. He did some things that you just know are special. What people dont realise is he is barely older than the players we drafted this year...he was a very young pick for us last season and he wasnt fit at the time either...

 

[mckinale]

no one is expecting hogan to play for a few years, n they have the same build so 1 more year for varcoe to start settling into the team

 

[catswhiskers]

This thread about Varcoe has got me thinking.

We love the indigenous players. They will be even more crucial to the prospects of clubs in the coming years because they have pace and class. Thats why they are increasing their representation on club lists.

I am beginning to think however that they may not be ready for the AFL system at a young age and will take a few more years to reach their peak. Clubs are also learning they may do better with their picks when these kids are a bit older and the pick is higher. Stokes is a good example. Davey is another.

It looks like Varcoe might take time. Given time he will produce.

It also looks like Djerrkura might be an exception (but he has an exceptional background) - I hope so.

 

[mckinale]

This thread about Varcoe has got me thinking.

We love the indigenous players. They will be even more crucial to the prospects of clubs in the coming years because they have pace and class. Thats why they are increasing their representation on club lists.

I am beginning to think however that they may not be ready for the AFL system at a young age and will take a few more years to reach their peak. Clubs are also learning they may do better with their picks when these kids are a bit older and the pick is higher. Stokes is a good example. Davey is another.

It looks like Varcoe might take time. Given time he will produce.

It also looks like Djerrkura might be an exception (but he has an exceptional background) - I hope so.

without sounding racist most dont have the right body for it, (can be due to less meals and size of meals) DJK is an exception because his family obviously has got a fair bit of cash from his dad. Imagine if aaron davey was built like buckley! He would be the best player in the AFL.

 

[cat_fanatic]

without sounding racist most dont have the right body for it, (can be due to less meals and size of meals) DJK is an exception because his family obviously has got a fair bit of cash from his dad. Imagine if aaron davey was built like buckley! He would be the best player in the AFL.

you have obviously done your reaserch. LMAO.

 

[DanA]

This thread about Varcoe has got me thinking.

We love the indigenous players. They will be even more crucial to the prospects of clubs in the coming years because they have pace and class. Thats why they are increasing their representation on club lists.

I am beginning to think however that they may not be ready for the AFL system at a young age and will take a few more years to reach their peak. Clubs are also learning they may do better with their picks when these kids are a bit older and the pick is higher. Stokes is a good example. Davey is another.

It looks like Varcoe might take time. Given time he will produce.

It also looks like Djerrkura might be an exception (but he has an exceptional background) - I hope so.

Exactly right. We won't be seeing any aboriginals winning the Rising Star.

 

[mckinale]

Exactly right. We won't be seeing any aboriginals winning the Rising Star.

lol thats stupid. We will but it will be after a few years on a list or rarely their 1st

 

[catswhiskers]

The indigenous players will win more Brownlows than rising stars methinks! When ready they are excitement machines.

 

[DanA]

The indigenous players will win more Brownlows than rising stars methinks! When ready they are excitement machines.

Can you win the Rising star more than once? Can it be shared between two players?

 

[carn_the_cattas]

lol thats stupid. We will but it will be after a few years on a list or rarely their 1st

Actually we already have. Danyle Pearce just won it last year. In '98 and '99 we saw Pickett and Goodes win it. Goodes won it in his first year.

 

[jim boy]

I'm not going to be drawn into judgement just yet. This may be his second year at the club, but his first was virtually a no-show due to his foot injury and given that he was bottom age and just a few weeks older than the crop we recruited this year, he is better off being compared with this year's recruits, than the previous year.

Will he be as good as Selwood or Hawkins? Almost certainly not, but then they really are the highest profile recruits we've had in a number of years.

 

[DanA]

Actually we already have. Danyle Pearce just won it last year. In '98 and '99 we saw Pickett and Goodes win it. Goodes won it in his first year.

In fairness. Pickett was drafted in 96, Goodes 97 and Peirce 2004 so all three were second year players.

 

[mckinale]

In fairness. Pickett was drafted in 96, Goodes 97 and Peirce 2004 so all three were second year players.

lol that was my point with somre research

 

[carn_the_cattas]

In fairness. Pickett was drafted in 96, Goodes 97 and Peirce 2004 so all three were second year players.

Forgot to check that lol.

 

[DanA]

lol that was my point with somre research

Your point is crap. The % of time that aboriginals win the rising star is more than the % of aboriginals in the AFL.

I would suggest that 70% of Rising stars are not 1st year players and the rest are pretty much taken No.1 or 2 in the draft.

It has nothing to do with not affording enough food. That is one of the most stupid comments I have heard in my life.

 

[Partridge]

We love the indigenous players. They will be even more crucial to the prospects of clubs in the coming years because they have pace and class. Thats why they are increasing their representation on club lists.

Yeah, except there is one massive flaw - too many of them are receivers. And I don't particularly think their skills are any better than white players, in fact I'm sure they aren't. I'd love to be an indigenous player, get 3 touches a game, do a couple of flashy bounces and every second person is crying out "wizardry" or "magical skills". It's bullsh*t. Get 30 touches every week like West or Cousins and I'll be convinced.

This thread - and it's a good one - highlights two of my main gripes about footy:

1. That every high draft pick is blindly assumed to be a superstar when they aren't. Remember Ezra Bray anyone? He was going to be a star too. Very similar type to Varcoe.
2. The ridiculous overrating of indigenous players. There are some who are fantastic - like Goodes of course. But a lot are soft forward pockets and flankers who hang out the back of packs. You may want a side full of them but I don't. I'll take guys like Paul Chapman over them any day.

 

[DanA]

Yeah, except there is one massive flaw - too many of them are receivers. And I don't particularly think their skills are any better than white players, in fact I'm sure they aren't. I'd love to be an indigenous player, get 3 touches a game, do a couple of flashy bounces and every second person is crying out "wizardry" or "magical skills". It's bullsh*t. Get 30 touches every week like West or Cousins and I'll be convinced.

This thread - and it's a good one - highlights two of my main gripes about footy:

1. That every high draft pick is blindly assumed to be a superstar when they aren't. Remember Ezra Bray anyone? He was going to be a star too. Very similar type to Varcoe.
2. The ridiculous overrating of indigenous players. There are some who are fantastic - like Goodes of course. But a lot are soft forward pockets and flankers who hang out the back of packs. You may want a side full of them but I don't. I'll take guys like Paul Chapman over them any day.

Firstly the strike rate of top 10 picks is actually very high. There is the odd dud but mostly they turn out well. Every single No.1 draft pick in the last 10 years has turned out to be a good AFL player.

Secondly the % of good iindigenous players in the AFL compared to % of population is amazing. They make up something like less than 1% of the population.
Graham Johncock
Andrew McLeod.
Andrew Lovett
Nathan Lovett-Murray
Jeff Farmer
Matthew Stokes
Chance Bateman
Lance Franklin
Mark Williams
Daniel Wells.
Aaron Davey
Byron Pickett
Peter Burgoyne
Shaun Burgoyne
Danyle Pearce
Adam Goodes
Michael O'Loughlin.
David Wirrpanda.

What a list of muppets. Williams must be the worst kick for goal in the league and Wirra, Joncock and Mcloud shank it every time.

 

[someday-somehow]

Yeah, except there is one massive flaw - too many of them are receivers. And I don't particularly think their skills are any better than white players, in fact I'm sure they aren't. I'd love to be an indigenous player, get 3 touches a game, do a couple of flashy bounces and every second person is crying out "wizardry" or "magical skills". It's bullsh*t. Get 30 touches every week like West or Cousins and I'll be convinced.

You have been listening to Brian Taylor call Leon Davis on triple M "THE IGNITER"