Anthony Albanese - How long?

[Gralin]

That was where Frydenbergs parents came from.

This is false declaration on a nomination for public officeView attachment 1408724
Regardless of the political upheavels therein she was certainly a subject of another country.

Is it?

 

[Gralin]

Rhodesia doesn't exist either but that wouldn't stop me checking that I wasn't somehow eligible for a Zim passport by some quirk of law.

Are you a refugee that came here as a refugee?

 

[William Wonka]

Is it?

She ticked 'No'.
She should have ticked 'Yes' and then provided all the various supporting documentation you are suggesting.

According to her bio she also lived in Hong Kong and the Phillapines prior to coming to Oz.

How stupid sect 44 is or isnt doesnt matter, she made a false declaration.

If you dont fill out a ballot paper correctly its informal and isnt counted.
This is the same

 

[Gough]

Are you a refugee that came here as a refugee?

In so much as that can make documentation awkward I get your point but in the end I'm not convinced this is racism.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That was me mixing up the republic with the socialists
The republic doesn't exist anymore, it lost the war which is why she's living in Australia now

It was annexed by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Do you think all South Vietnamese had to apply for visas to live in Vietnam? No, they became citizens of Vietnam.

Look I'm not taking sides here, just pointing out that saying "that country no longer exists" is mere legal cuteness. The history of the dual citizenship sagas shows that the cases are many and varied, but throughout it all the interpretation of s.44 has been pretty consistently black letter.

 

[Gralin]

She ticked 'No'.
She should have ticked 'Yes' and then provided all the various supporting documentation you are suggesting.

According to her bio she also lived in Hong Kong and the Phillapines prior to coming to Oz.

How stupid sect 44 is or isnt doesnt matter, she made a false declaration.

If you dont fill out a ballot paper correctly its informal and isnt counted.
This is the same

Did she or do you just think she did.
Last I checked I could go live overseas with my parents for a few years and that wouldn't impact my citizenship.

South Vietnam does not exist. How can she be a citizen of a country that does not exist?

 

[Gralin]

It was annexed by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Do you think all South Vietnamese had to apply for visas to live in Vietnam? No, they became citizens of Vietnam.

Look I'm not taking sides here, just pointing out that saying "that country no longer exists" is mere legal cuteness. The history of the dual citizenship sagas shows that the cases are many and varied, but throughout it all the interpretation of s.44 has been pretty consistently black letter.

Frydenburg was considered ok
Don't see why this would be any different.

In so much as that can make documentation awkward I get your point but in the end I'm not convinced this is racism.

Not S44 the way this has come about
This literally started because a white boomer ALP supporter wanted to discredit a non white candidate that beat Keneally

This is like the Obama birth certificate stuff, find a way to discredit the candidate that isn't white

And yes if she's breached S44 that's the law, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about why this is a story

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Frydenburg was considered ok
Don't see why this would be any different.


Not S44 the way this has come about
This literally started because a white boomer ALP supporter wanted to discredit a non white candidate that beat Keneally

This is like the Obama birth certificate stuff, find a way to discredit the candidate that isn't white

And yes if she's breached S44 that's the law, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about why this is a story

It's not any different, she's fine and yeah it's also grubby as *.

 

[William Wonka]

Did she or do you just think she did.
Last I checked I could go live overseas with my parents for a few years and that wouldn't impact my citizenship.

South Vietnam does not exist. How can she be a citizen of a country that does not exist?

You may well be correct or you may not.
Either way she should have ticked 'Yes' provided documentation to this effect.

US courts have recently ruled you are incorrect btw.

 

[The Passenger]

Surely even the most staunch of Labor supporters wouldn't find this a good hill to die on ?

 

[Gralin]

You may well be correct or you may not.
Either way she should have ticked 'Yes' provided documentation to this effect.

US courts have recently ruled you are incorrect btw.
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You may find this surprising but I don't care what the US courts think

Also trumpiam court wants to deport refugees and immigrants with criminal records is fully ******* cooked racist s**t
So yeah I'm still going with this is racist

Thanks Wonka

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Surely even the most staunch of Labor supporters wouldn't find this a good hill to die on ?

You'd assume not but I guess it's the same subset of whiteys who were ok with the KK parachute. People who obviously don't know any Vietnamese or other refugees and additionally don't understand visa laws.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Not S44 the way this has come about
This literally started because a white boomer ALP supporter wanted to discredit a non white candidate that beat Keneally

This is like the Obama birth certificate stuff, find a way to discredit the candidate that isn't white

And yes if she's breached S44 that's the law, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about why this is a story

And Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam and all the others who lost their right to stay in office did so because a nerd barrister from WA whose hobby is researching constitutional law (I'm not making this up) happened across an anomaly.

It has nothing to do with race. Unless the scrutiny of Bill Shorten, Barnaby Joyce, Derryn Hinch, Tony Abbott, Jacquie Lambie and Pauline Hanson was about race.

How is it not s44? She declared she had never been a citizen of a foreign country. That now appears to be in doubt.

She may well turn out to be in the clear, just like so many others did. I know nothing about the woman so I have no axe to grind. But it's not about race, and it is about possible dual citizenship.

 

[phantom13]

I think questioning an Asian woman about her citizenship status based off the fact she’s Asian (and there’s not that much more to go on here) looks and feels a bit racist to be honest.

 

[Gralin]

And Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam and all the others who lost their right to stay in office did so because a nerd barrister from WA whose hobby is researching constitutional law (I'm not making this up) happened across an anomaly.

It has nothing to do with race. Unless the scrutiny of Bill Shorten, Barnaby Joyce, Derryn Hinch, Tony Abbott, Jacquie Lambie and Pauline Hanson was about race.

How is it not s44? She declared she had never been a citizen of a foreign country. That now appears to be in doubt.

She may well turn out to be in the clear, just like so many others did. I know nothing about the woman so I have no axe to grind. But it's not about race, and it is about possible dual citizenship.

thank you for ignoring my entire post to whataboutism white people

The bog standard defence against racism is white people have copped this when I'm talking about why she was targeted

Its like saying profiling doesn't happen at airports because you've seen white people bomb checked

 

[William Wonka]

You may find this surprising but I don't care what the US courts think

Also trumpiam court wants to deport refugees and immigrants with criminal records is fully ******* cooked racist s**t
So yeah I'm still going with this is racist

Thanks Wonka

Im not arguing about how stupid section 44 is (I think its incredibly moronic).

The point is Vietnam is accepting refugees for resettlement meaning there is a possibility if not a likelyhood that Le could be elligible for Vietnamese citizenship.

Its the sort of s**t that a visit to the embassy and a few emails could have sorted but she didnt bother.

The Court of disputed returns has been HARSH on this sort of stuff since 2017 and the law doesnt give a rats about whats 'fair' or 'makes sense'

 

[phantom13]

Im not arguing about how stupid section 44 is (I think its incredibly moronic).

The point is Vietnam is accepting refugees for resettlement meaning there is a possibility if not a likelyhood that Le could be elligible for Vietnamese citizenship.

Its the sort of s**t that a visit to the embassy and a few emails could have sorted but she didnt bother.

The Court of disputed returns has been HARSH on this sort of stuff since 2017 and the law doesnt give a rats about whats 'fair' or 'makes sense'

Just on your last sentence, didn’t quite a few of the dual citizenship cases get dismissed because it was deemed that what had happened was fair and made sense (genuine question cause I sure didn’t care enough to follow the story that closely)

 

[Mateyman]

She's a refugee from a country that no longer exists and hasn't for decades.
This isn't the purpose of S44

Not sure the purpose of S44 was removing people who had no idea they automatically had citizenship by descent either...
Idiotic law is idiotic

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

thank you for ignoring my entire post to whataboutism white people

The bog standard defence against racism is white people have copped this when I'm talking about why she was targeted

Its like saying profiling doesn't happen at airports because you've seen white people bomb checked

FMD a few posts back I listed 46 politicians of wildly diverse backgrounds who have faced scrutiny over dual citizenship, and in many cases were forced to resign.

Were you screaming "racism" for any of them? If not, why not?

Why was Larissa Waters targeted? Why was Lucy Gichuhi targeted? Why was Derryn Hinch targeted? Why was Cory Bernardi targeted? Matt Canavan? Barnaby Joyce? Nick Xenophon? Anne Aly? Jason Falinski? Tony Abbott? John Alexander?

I'll tell you why.

Because their political opponents saw a chance to get a scalp.

And that is exactly what is happening here.

It may well come to nothing, the whole s.44 thing is a joke, but so is sheeting this case (but not any of the other 46 cases) home to racism.

 

[Gralin]

FMD a few posts back I listed 46 politicians of wildly diverse backgrounds who have faced scrutiny over dual citizenship, and in many cases were forced to resign.

Were you screaming "racism" for any of them? If not, why not?

Why was Larissa Waters targeted? Why was Lucy Gichuhi targeted? Why was Derryn Hinch targeted? Why was Cory Bernardi targeted? Matt Canavan? Barnaby Joyce? Nick Xenophon? Anne Aly? Jason Falinski? Tony Abbott? John Alexander?

I'll tell you why.

Because their political opponents saw a chance to get a scalp.

And that is exactly what is happening here.

It may well come to nothing, the whole s.44 thing is a joke, but so is sheeting this case (but not any of the other 46 cases) home to racism.

* sake dude it was a boomer on twitter that started this
But you don't think the disqualify people who were born overseas doesn't lend itself to racist attacks on people who aren't white?

Oh you're not white, lets see where you were born and try and disqualify you

 

[Chief]

duck sake dude it was a boomer on twitter that started this
But you don't think the disqualify people who were born overseas doesn't lend itself to racist attacks on people who aren't white?

Oh you're not white, lets see where you were born and try and disqualify you

While it could be used that way, it's been applied to tons of people.

Whether or not the basis of the check by an individual was for racist ends, it's still the law.

I'd guess that every new MP is being checked by opposing parties.

 

[Gralin]

While it could be used that way, it's been applied to tons of people.

Whether or not the basis of the check by an individual was for racist ends, it's still the law.

I'd guess that every new MP is being checked by opposing parties.

And I'm not talking about the law I'm talking about why this is a story
I also said ive not seen the party suggest this as Dai Le has claimed just drips on twitter
But my point is you have S44, first thing that happens to someone who isn't white, are they eligible

 

[William Wonka]

duck sake dude it was a boomer on twitter that started this
But you don't think the disqualify people who were born overseas doesn't lend itself to racist attacks on people who aren't white?

Oh you're not white, lets see where you were born and try and disqualify you

Section 44 also goes on to talk about 'obtaining benefit from the crown'.
Pollies have been booted for being teachers or local councillors when they nominated.

Just on your last sentence, didn’t quite a few of the dual citizenship cases get dismissed because it was deemed that what had happened was fair and made sense (genuine question cause I sure didn’t care enough to follow the story that closely)

Not sure what cases you are talking about.
Everything Ive seen is pretty far from 'fair'.

For instance:

 

[William Wonka]

And I'm not talking about the law I'm talking about why this is a story
I also said ive not seen the party suggest this as Dai Le has claimed just drips on twitter
But my point is you have S44, first thing that happens to someone who isn't white, are they eligible

Well Barnaby is a bright Purple I guess

 

[JackOutback]

It’s both possible that the issue was first raised by bitter (and potentially racist) ALP supporters, and that she’s in a spot of bother.

I have no issue with Dai Le and am no fan of Kenneally (I imagine if there’s a by-election, she wouldn’t run because the backlash could be even greater), I just acknowledge that declarations to the AEC aren’t worth as much as people think and they are don’t prevent her from being in trouble.