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Wayne Carey or Dermie wouldn't have kicked anymore than Rocca last night. Adelaide flooded more than the damn newcastle floods. We chipped it around, which was obviously part of the plan (Have heard Mick say many times about flooding "keep moving it around, the openings will come") and they wouldn't go long into the 50m. On numerous occasions I saw Rocca one out. Yes there were other players in the vicinity of him, but he was still only with his direct opponent. But they continued to chip and chip, they wouldn't take a risk on sending it in to him and hoping he, Reid or Travis would take a grab. They just refused to do that last night. I'm a tad sick of the bagging of Rocca because he doesn't kick 10. He almost kicked a quarter of the goals for us. To me, that's not a bad effort in a game like that.

There have been occasions this year where you CAN have a fair dinkum crack at him for his form, but last night wasn't one of those nights. And if you're gonna have a crack at poor form, there is perhaps another forward who hasn't had a crack for a while now. I am wondering if we are still going to be saying "but he's only young" for the next 10 years????
 
david_345 said:
If it wasn't for Sav we would have had Lockett.

Sav used to completely shit me. So much wasted talent.
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Sav had a great career, but everyone looks at players careers in a better light once they are retired. He had 1 or great years with Collingwood, a couple of average ones, and a couple of poor ones. He went to Kangaroos and was poor to average. I'm sick of people saying "you got rid of the wrong Rocca hahaha". Sav seriously had to go.
 
If you had asked me if I would be happy with Rocca kicking two goals a game and about 5-6 marks I'd probably say "I'll take it." All I want from Rocca is to provide us a target and to contest for the footy inside the forward 50m. If he does that and gets two goals a game I'm happy. He generally creates opportunities for others and always has the best defender so I think everyone's being harsh. He's not the match winner he used to be and we just have to accept that. He'll definitely still win the odd one here and there, but he can't do it week in and week out. Some games he's going to be useless and I'm sure the recruitment team and coaching staff saw this coming and thats why we picked up Dawes and Reid to go with Cloke to form a good tall forwardline - with or without the Ruz.

ROCCA'S stats for 2007 according to the Collingwood website (as at 6.33pm 01/09/07)

Matches: 20
Goals: 45
Marks: 111
Disposals: 192
Kicks: 160
 
Can you get stats on players with a similar role in there club or same position and set them up so people can see where hes ranked kinda.
 

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ROCCA, who could not love that big ugly mug...the guys a legend and I love im, get im up here I wanna giv im a big kiss...

I wanna see another one of his 65 mtr torps sail through mid goalpost...

I would like all you Rocca Nokka's to promise , here in writing, that if he kicks 5 next week you will get off his back and admit he is our best forward.

If he does'nt you may continue wingeing.

Waiting for your pledges.......
 
Jabso said:
Sav had a great career, but everyone looks at players careers in a better light once they are retired. He had 1 or great years with Collingwood, a couple of average ones, and a couple of poor ones. He went to Kangaroos and was poor to average. I'm sick of people saying "you got rid of the wrong Rocca hahaha". Sav seriously had to go.
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Hang on.

Sav kicked 700+ goals. Anthony could play till he's 40 and won't kick 700 goals.

If a 25 year old Sav was in our side now, versus the crap side he spent most of his time in, he'd have kicked a thousand.

I'm still dirty on Mick for trading him, when he clearly still had plenty of value.
 
Thommo 42 said:
Hang on.

Sav kicked 700+ goals. Anthony could play till he's 40 and won't kick 700 goals.

If a 25 year old Sav was in our side now, versus the crap side he spent most of his time in, he'd have kicked a thousand.

I'm still dirty on Mick for trading him, when he clearly still had plenty of value.
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They played two completely different roles in two completely different sides. Sav rarely wandered outside the 50mt arc and back then our forward line was extremely limited.
 
Thommo 42 said:
yes, but that doesn't make Sav's career '1 good year, the rest average'

Brown, Bucks and Sav carried us for 5 years.
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Yep but sav never wanted to lose weight remeber
 
Jabso said:
Finally someone agrees with me that Sav was just as bad as Anthony, if not worse in this respect. He saved face a bit by having an overrated career with Kangaroos, but he had enormous potential.
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Couldn't agree more with the two of you - Sav should have been as dominant as Plugger, simple as that. Highly skilled, beautiful kicking action, above average mark, yet the old addage of "built like Tarzan, plays like Jane" rings true of the Sav. How was St.Kilda's field passing skills when Plugger was kicking bags every week?

As for Anthony, or any other forward for that matter, 8-10 posessions a game is only ever enough when you are kicking bags of 6-8 a week, or your AFL career is just getting started. Why this is of so much concern, is that he is our main go-to man when streaming through the centre, a crucial component to our game plan. Yet as displayed on Friday night's first quarter alone, Jane dropped 2 absolute Monty's, one from the chest and one from those no feel steel hands that he has. Both these kicks to him were gems. Last quarter, misses set shot from 40 out on a slight angle, only for us to watch the oppositions captain, elbeit on 1 leg and half Rocca's bulk, calmly slot through one from 55 out that was never going to miss. Admit it, you can never say you have been confident when A. Rocca is taking a set shot - from anywhere!

I find it appalling, the number of supporters that buy into the hype and continually justify his underachieving ways - he's a speed hump on our sides development.
 
Daicosian said:
Couldn't agree more with the two of you - Sav should have been as dominant as Plugger, simple as that. Highly skilled, beautiful kicking action, above average mark, yet the old addage of "built like Tarzan, plays like Jane" rings true of the Sav. How was St.Kilda's field passing skills when Plugger was kicking bags every week?

As for Anthony, or any other forward for that matter, 8-10 posessions a game is only ever enough when you are kicking bags of 6-8 a week, or your AFL career is just getting started. Why this is of so much concern, is that he is our main go-to man when streaming through the centre, a crucial component to our game plan. Yet as displayed on Friday night's first quarter alone, Jane dropped 2 absolute Monty's, one from the chest and one from those no feel steel hands that he has. Both these kicks to him were gems. Last quarter, misses set shot from 40 out on a slight angle, only for us to watch the oppositions captain, elbeit on 1 leg and half Rocca's bulk, calmly slot through one from 55 out that was never going to miss. Admit it, you can never say you have been confident when A. Rocca is taking a set shot - from anywhere!

I find it appalling, the number of supporters that buy into the hype and continually justify his underachieving ways - he's a speed hump on our sides development.
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That comment is absolute crap.
Firstly Sav was and never pretended to be Plugger...there is a reason why Plugger holds the Goals record...stupid comparison...also Plagger did not play for the Pies who throughout his career did not have the midfield or the game plan to give him the service he would need to even attempt to equal Locketts stats...

As far as Pebbles goes...he also has been prodominantly in a team that has been rebuilding for the best part of 17 years. Had he been available he could have his name etched in history having dominated a GF but that did not happen.....

Rocca is our single best hope of any kind of finals success until some of the younger forwards reach their potential...this includes Cloke..just like his older brother he is yet to play well when it really counts...

Get off Anthony's back unless you could even imagine playing in his position...Ive really had it with the endless crap spewed up on these forums every week regarding "this player is crap, get rid of him."

Before you post another similar thread ask yourself.."Could I even hope to be 1/10th the player"... and then write something positive.
 
Pie eyed said:
That comment is absolute crap.
Firstly Sav was and never pretended to be Plugger...there is a reason why Plugger holds the Goals record...stupid comparison...also Plagger did not play for the Pies who throughout his career did not have the midfield or the game plan to give him the service he would need to even attempt to equal Locketts stats... Idiot, where did i say he tried to be Plugger, he should have been every bit as good is what i'm saying - maybe he should have pretended to be! Already explained my reasons for the Plugger/Sav comparison, so no need to answer to you, but tell me the A-grade, premiership winning midfield names that serviced Pugger throughout his career?

As far as Pebbles goes...he also has been prodominantly in a team that has been rebuilding for the best part of 17 years. Had he been available he could have his name etched in history having dominated a GF but that did not happen.....

Rocca is our single best hope of any kind of finals success until some of the younger forwards reach their potential...this includes Cloke..just like his older brother he is yet to play well when it really counts... Exactly the head in the sand mentality that has seen us win 1 flag in the last 50 years. Stopping the over-rating of our players would be a good start for you.

Get off Anthony's back unless you could even imagine playing in his position...Ive really had it with the endless crap spewed up on these forums every week regarding "this player is crap, get rid of him."

Before you post another similar thread ask yourself.."Could I even hope to be 1/10th the player"... and then write something positive.
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What a juvenile comment - 'ner, ner, ner ner,ner, like to see you do better" And, i will make comment on any issue i see fit, regardless if some bonehead from la-la land likes to tell me otherwise. BTW, have a look at who started the thread, don't think it was me that 'posted' this thread.
 

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it wasnt sav that stopped us getting plugger as such.

to get him we would need to have traded mark richardson. Alan richardson said that isnt going to happen we arnt trading him, and why do we need plugger since we have sav rocca already.

so it wasnt sav's fault actually richos sav was just teh excuse at the time
 
Optimax said:
it wasnt sav that stopped us getting plugger as such.

to get him we would need to have traded mark richardson. Alan richardson said that isnt going to happen we arnt trading him, and why do we need plugger since we have sav rocca already.

so it wasnt sav's fault actually richos sav was just teh excuse at the time
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No one has said that Sav stopped us getting Plugger, if anything, i am saying we already had a Plugger, it's just he didn't realise it. We all know it was a certain board member, and only 1, that stopped Plugger moving to Vic park.
 
Daicosian said:
What a juvenile comment - 'ner, ner, ner ner,ner, like to see you do better" And, i will make comment on any issue i see fit, regardless if some bonehead from la-la land likes to tell me otherwise. BTW, have a look at who started the thread, don't think it was me that 'posted' this thread.
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The exact response I would expect from someone who's first re-action to everything is negative.,
By the way I did not say you started this thread it is just that your comparison of Rocca to Plugger was the most ridiculous...it is like saying if Rocca was any good he would have the same stats as Peter Hudson...different player, different team, different era...just like Lockett.

I stand by my comments.

You are enitiled to your opinion as is everyone else on the forum...maybe there should be a "Players we love to knock" section.
 
I have to say it, I've long defended Pebbles when my old man (also a life long collingwood man) has criticised him, though I'm finding it harder and harder to do so. It really hasn't been his best year. I hope he can turn things around in the finals - if he can stand up this month, I'm sure even my old man will forgive and forget.
 
donkeyballs said:
I have to say it, I've long defended Pebbles when my old man (also a life long collingwood man) has criticised him, though I'm finding it harder and harder to do so. It really hasn't been his best year. I hope he can turn things around in the finals - if he can stand up this month, I'm sure even my old man will forgive and forget.
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Hang in there....Rocca is a quality forward and he will do everything possible
to win for the Pies. I've been defending him for months now and he will deliver.
 
Optimax said:
it wasnt sav that stopped us getting plugger as such.

to get him we would need to have traded mark richardson. Alan richardson said that isnt going to happen we arnt trading him, and why do we need plugger since we have sav rocca already.

so it wasnt sav's fault actually richos sav was just teh excuse at the time
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Are you for real? That's NOT what happened at all. Alan had nothing to do with it. Firstly Mark's old man, Wayne I think vetoed the move, but Mark being traded was never mentioned IIRC.

On another subject, all this talk about Anthony punting in the NFL after his career ends here, I personally give him zero chance of making it as a punter. His kicking is no way as good or consistant as his brothers or Ben graham's IMHO.
 

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stifler's mom said:
Are you for real? That's NOT what happened at all. Alan had nothing to do with it. Firstly Mark's old man, Wayne I think vetoed the move, but Mark being traded was never mentioned IIRC.

On another subject, all this talk about Anthony punting in the NFL after his career ends here, I personally give him zero chance of making it as a punter. His kicking is no way as good or consistant as his brothers or Ben graham's IMHO.
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Alright yes it was wayne got the names mixed up but mark was part of the deal somewhere in there also
 
I was very interested to hear Leigh Matthews thoughts at half time in the Port Adelaide, West Coast Final tonight.
Discussing the huge amount of "inside 50''s" from both teams with very little goals being scored Matthews stated that both teams lacked something or someone who could break the shackles.
Matthews said that the most important player a team can have in a Finals Series is a forward who can take "contested marks".

What does Rocca lead the league in?
 
I have this feeling the big man from reservior is gonna fire tonight.

God i hope so at least
 

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