Science/Environment Anti-vacc Crazies at it again. Post appropriate outrage ITT

[harrythetiger]

Why are they still wearing a mask if they are getting the vaccine?


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1) no one has any immunity BEFORE getting vaccinated
2) it takes weeks for the vaccine to take effect
3) it’s not 100% effective (and it doesn’t need to be to have the effect we want), so while the rollout is still happening, to help protect the unvaccinated people around you, a mask is essential
Once a high proportion of the population is vaccinated, the need for masks will fall away.

 

[dean33]

No, sounds like you don't live in NSW.

Check out what our sleazy, hypocritical lying premier is saying about "incentives". She is trying to make it mandatory via businesses and organisations.

Then you'll know why these people are protesting. Maybe you will be joining them.

Nah I’m fine with the vaccine, incentives to get the majority of the population to take it up is fine with me.

 

[dean33]

Anti-vaxxers are f***ed in the head and should be laughed at but what is far, far more damaging, is the blatant misinformation and deliberate hiding of the fact that the vaccines that are being rolled out in Australia now, in all probability, will NOT stop you contracting Covid19 and will NOT stop you from transmitting this disease to other if you do get it. The manufacturers themselves admit this and the data thus far from the UK tends to bare this out.

The vaccines are safe enough however, in the UK, they are not vaccinating children 8 and unde because there is some evidence that it may be detrimental them and that even though the cases of Covid19 are slightly falling, in the 80 year old plus cohort who were the first to receive the vaccinations, there has not been much of a discernable difference in acquiring the disease nor the death rate and the evividence thus far, points to the lockdowns being the primary reason for the decline in Covid cases across ALL age groups.

The reason I present these facts so vehemently is because Morrison and his Government, egged on by the money men and bean counters, are making false and misleading statements like, "today is the first day back towards normality" and the most stupid, Trump like proclamation that we can soon start treating this virus "the same way as we do the flu". These and other statements will have the effect of making people stop doing the correct things like social distancing, like correct hygiene and complacency will sweep across this nation because people wil think that we've conquered this pathogen and the consequences of such thinking, WILL be dire.

The vaccines will help alleviate the symptoms of the disease but they won't, as far as we know at present, make you immune from contracting the disease or stop you from transmitting the disease if you have it.

Studies have shown they reduce you passing it on to 30%. No they don’t completely make it non contagious but with symptoms reduced doesn’t it make sense for people to take it?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Why are they still wearing a mask if they are getting the vaccine?


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You aren't that bright, are you?

 

[FIGJAM]

You aren't that bright, are you?

He's one of the smarter ones.

Some whack jobs out there have said that Scommo got "vaccinated" with the cap on.

Of course, you then need to completely ignore the fact that you can see the needle go into his arm on the video and the fact that the orange bit is a HUB.

Suffice to say that a bit of healthy minded scepticism is mostly very unhealthy in the anit-vacc camp.

 

[owen87]

These are people who have natural immunity pre covid. Via infection from other coronaviridae. Ie Colds and flu's.
Not saying no one needs a vaccine, but there's potentially millions who don't.

I love when people post in an authoritative way, without actually being an authority.

 

[Deliverance]

I love when people post in an authoritative way, without actually being an authority.

I'm just relaying the research of the La Jolla institute from early last year, which has been replicated globally. I'm not the authority. They are though.

 

[owen87]

I'm just relaying the research of the La Jolla institute from early last year, which has been replicated globally. I'm not the authority. They are though.

Which coronavirus causes influenza?

 

[PP34]

No I don’t believe it should be mandatory, I believe once everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated however, businesses have the right to refuse service to people who refused to get vaccinated. There will be some people who cannot get vaccinated for a genuine reason. They should be excepted from this.

Obviously it could be a while off having any sort of herd immunity there shouldn’t be a need for any place to be knocking back people who don’t get a vaccine.

The whole aim is to achieve herd immunity. You don’t need 100% of the population vaccinated.

I don’t want to live in a world where people are being shunned by businesses for personal decisions regarding their own health even if they are stupid.

 

[Deliverance]

Which coronavirus causes influenza?

They're separate families of virus mate.

 

[owen87]

These are people who have natural immunity pre covid. Via infection from other coronaviridae. Ie Colds and flu's.

They're separate families of virus mate.

Not my words.

 

[quotemokc]

The anti anti vaxxer movement by the media was just a multi-decade preparation for the covid vaccinations.

They all knew it was coming and were just preparing the populace to nay nay the ones that can see through the smoke.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The anti anti vaxxer movement by the media was just a multi-decade preparation for the covid vaccinations.

They all knew it was coming and were just preparing the populace to nay nay the ones that can see through the smoke.

QAnon?

 

[bourbons]

Obviously it could be a while off having any sort of herd immunity there shouldn’t be a need for any place to be knocking back people who don’t get a vaccine.

The whole aim is to achieve herd immunity. You don’t need 100% of the population vaccinated.

I don’t want to live in a world where people are being shunned by businesses for personal decisions regarding their own health even if they are stupid.

Haven't we been living in that world for awhile now though?

No shoes no service?

 

[FRUMPY]

Haven't we been living in that world for awhile now though?

No shoes no service?

everyone gets a tattoo on their forehead saying they have the vaccine so businesses will serve you?

'I hAvE tHe VaCcInE' would suffice

 

[Chief]

The anti anti vaxxer movement by the media was just a multi-decade preparation for the covid vaccinations.

They all knew it was coming and were just preparing the populace to nay nay the ones that can see through the smoke.

This is not sane.

It's conspiracy nutter stuff. Take it somewhere else.

 

[bourbons]

everyone gets a tattoo on their forehead saying they have the vaccine so businesses will serve you?

'I hAvE tHe VaCcInE' would suffice

Would have thought just a card or something you can slip into your wallet, but you do you

Doubt it would be every business either.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

put the antivaxxers on Christmas island.

release covid, measles, typhoid etc into the population.

let nature take its course.

 

[Deliverance]

Not my words.

Yes when discussing in public, these types of respiratory illnesses are lumped together as colds and flu's. Hence me keeping with social norms.

More important than getting caught up in semantics, if you are interested in information about pre existing immunity you should read the research reports.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Why are they still wearing a mask if they are getting the vaccine?


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Because it doesn’t start working really until second dose, and certainly not immediately

 

[Crankyhawk]

Anti-vaxxers are f***ed in the head and should be laughed at but what is far, far more damaging, is the blatant misinformation and deliberate hiding of the fact that the vaccines that are being rolled out in Australia now, in all probability, will NOT stop you contracting Covid19 and will NOT stop you from transmitting this disease to other if you do get it. The manufacturers themselves admit this and the data thus far from the UK tends to bare this out.

The vaccines are safe enough however, in the UK, they are not vaccinating children 8 and unde because there is some evidence that it may be detrimental them and that even though the cases of Covid19 are slightly falling, in the 80 year old plus cohort who were the first to receive the vaccinations, there has not been much of a discernable difference in acquiring the disease nor the death rate and the evividence thus far, points to the lockdowns being the primary reason for the decline in Covid cases across ALL age groups.

The reason I present these facts so vehemently is because Morrison and his Government, egged on by the money men and bean counters, are making false and misleading statements like, "today is the first day back towards normality" and the most stupid, Trump like proclamation that we can soon start treating this virus "the same way as we do the flu". These and other statements will have the effect of making people stop doing the correct things like social distancing, like correct hygiene and complacency will sweep across this nation because people wil think that we've conquered this pathogen and the consequences of such thinking, WILL be dire.

The vaccines will help alleviate the symptoms of the disease but they won't, as far as we know at present, make you immune from contracting the disease or stop you from transmitting the disease if you have it.

The ID specialist (dr Alan Cheng) stated that there is emerging data that transmission is reduced- he did say with the Pfizer one more than the Astra Zeneca; and that both reduce significantly chance of severe disease

 

[Crankyhawk]

I'm just relaying the research of the La Jolla institute from early last year, which has been replicated globally. I'm not the authority. They are though.

It is not cost effective to assay the entire population to see who is already immune.

 

[Deliverance]

It is not cost effective to assay the entire population to see who is already immune.

How much does each test cost?

 

[harrythetiger]

Obviously it could be a while off having any sort of herd immunity there shouldn’t be a need for any place to be knocking back people who don’t get a vaccine.

The whole aim is to achieve herd immunity. You don’t need 100% of the population vaccinated.

I don’t want to live in a world where people are being shunned by businesses for personal decisions regarding their own health even if they are stupid.

To achieve herd immunity it’s going to need to be a very high uptake - over 90%. Depends how well the vaccines prevent transmission, but in all likelihood that will be somewhat below the headline efficacy.
Factor in that some people will probably be unable to have the vaccine due to genuine medical conditions, and pretty much everyone else will need to be vaccinated for us to achieve herd immunity.
If we don’t get that, occasionally there will be outbreaks. In my opinion it won’t mean we need to live with any restrictions, but if a case attends a restaurant, they will have to close for a bit. What’s the easiest way for them to minimise the risk of that happening? Refuse service to unvaccinated people. I would hope there is a mechanism which stops those who genuinely can’t be vaccinated from being refused. But beyond that, businesses have the right to refuse service.

 

[Crankyhawk]

How much does each test cost?

It would be antibody assay and not a commonly available one (cf rubella antibodies done for every pregnant woman). From Medicare website
(MBS online)
Rubella serology $13.35
(If doing as part of serology screen where doing rubella, syphillis and hepatitis you get a small discount to $36)

Glandular fever gets a similar rebate

Current covid test (nasal pcr) $42.50

Can’t find an item for blood testing for covid. I’d guess more than the pcr otherwise we would be doing serology routinely with positive patients