Society/Culture Anti-vaccination network told to change its name or be shut down

[Pie eyed]

Credible evidence must only be the stuff that you agree with. That's very typical of this board.

Credible evidence is that which which supports the tenor of the argument.
No-one is claiming there is absolutely no danger from vaccination. If a single individual is effected then there are risks, but the value of vaccination/flouridation etc far outweighs the risks.

I would contend without so much as a quick glance on the net that peanuts represent an innumerably higher risk than any approved vaccination.
Attending school presents greater risk.

 

[Max zero]

Pro-vaccination case: thousands of peer reviewed medical studies.

Anti-vaccination case: no reviewed medical studies, conspiracy theories, personal anecdotes and intuition (ie feelings). Not to mention logic fallicies and evasive debating techniques.

Same ole, same ole.

 

[MrCharisma]

Given that evidence has been put forth that opposes your view, your inclusion of 'credible' in evidence gives you the opportunity to dismiss any evidence contrary to your view. This makes it come down to: 'if you don't agree with opposing evidence, you'll just label it as having a lack of credibility'. It's disingenuous.

You think accusing me of dismissing opposing evidence is some sort of case against vaccination, it's not. I didn't come into this world with an innate opinion on vaccination, I simply viewed the evidence.

What world are you living in where clinical peer reviewed science has less weight than a crazy conspiracy theory website?
It's not planet earth. That's why we vaccinate .

I've explained to you why the evidence for anti vaccination lacks credibility , if you wish to argue that point , then show me why the evidence for vaccination lacks credibility.

 

[MrCharisma]

Of course I haven't given a logical reason for my personal views on the issue of vaccination, because I haven't put forward my views, one way or the other, in this thread.

I've already stated why I'm not involving myself on the issue.
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You have put forward your views, that you're anti vaccination . Isn't that involving yourself in the discussion? It's obvious exactly where you stand on the issue ,you just don't want to discuss it . which really goes against the crux of this thread and discussion forums in general.

It seems the anti vaccers would just prefer a yes/no poll ; do you believe in vaccination?

 

[vealesy]

"Do you believe" ??

Of course i believe in it.

Nice loaded question.

How about, "do you trust" instead?

 

[MrCharisma]

My point was having a yes or no poll on a discussion forum offers nothing, kinda like you.

 

[vealesy]

Ok Rookie.

 

[Grin]

OK

Let's just agree that the pro vaccination group wants to see millions upon millions of children prevented from dying slowly and terribly painfully, or being horribly maimed by vaccine preventible diseases.

The pro vaccination group is prepared to put the lives of millions upon millions of children at risk because they don't believe in vaccines.

Surely that's something we can all agree on.

 

[tesseract]

And with that you confirm your trolling.

How so?

 

[tesseract]

You think accusing me of dismissing opposing evidence is some sort of case against vaccination, it's not. I didn't come into this world with an innate opinion on vaccination, I simply viewed the evidence.

What world are you living in where clinical peer reviewed science has less weight than a crazy conspiracy theory website?
It's not planet earth. That's why we vaccinate .

I've explained to you why the evidence for anti vaccination lacks credibility , if you wish to argue that point , then show me why the evidence for vaccination lacks credibility.

I never made the claim against you, nor implied, that your dismissing of the opposing evidence is some sort of case against vaccination. You should re-check what I've actually posted, instead of wrongfully putting words in my mouth.

 

[Papa Juggs]

People have had their kids crippled by vaccination.

The medical industry as a whole has lots of dark hidden secrets.

It's billions of dollars from the most vulnerable people. They have a lot to lose.

 

[rayven]

C. If a single individual is effected then there are risks, but the value of vaccination/flouridation etc far outweighs the risks.

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Considering most of the water goes down your throat, on your veggie garden or seeps into your hair and skin from baths/showers. What benefits is their to water fluoridation?

 

[rayven]

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No-one is claiming there is absolutely no danger from vaccination. If a single individual is effected then there are risks, but the value of vaccination/flouridation etc far outweighs the risks.

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Anyone got this book? can they verify this?

Its probably best that you not tie in the fluoride argument with the vaccination. Otherwise if these last few references are indeed valid, your destroying any creditability to your position, IMO. I wonder if your as mislead on vaccinations as you are on fluoride?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Of course I haven't given a logical reason for my personal views on the issue of vaccination, because I haven't put forward my views, one way or the other, in this thread.

I've already stated why I'm not involving myself on the issue.

Please Click Here

 

[tesseract]

Please Click Here

How childish. Grow up!!

 

[Pie eyed]

Considering most of the water goes down your throat, on your veggie garden or seeps into your hair and skin from baths/showers. What benefits is their to water fluoridation?

Better dental health.
Pretty well documented and obvious to anyone who can read.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

How childish. Grow up!!

How predictable. Make a useful contribution!!

 

[tesseract]

How predictable. Make a useful contribution!!

The irony of your own comment is lost on you. Now that was predictable.

 

[JoondalupJ]

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http://theconversation.edu.au/anti-vaccination-network-told-to-change-its-name-or-be-shut-down-11368


http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/bab...-its-name-or-be-shut-down-20121219-2bmc8.html
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...-change-its-name/story-fneuz9ev-1226537155195
http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/antivac-group-told-to-change-name/20121217-2bimp.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ti-vaccine-group/story-e6freuy9-1226431497313
http://scepticsbook.com/2012/12/18/...he-avn-the-change-their-name-or-face-closure/
http://www.skeptics.com.au/tag/australian-vaccination-network/

A group that deliberately distributes misinformation should have a more appropriate name. They should be pleased to embrace the anti-vacc term within it's organisational name.

anti vac people obviously haven't seen polio as an epidemic or a pandemic, or watched a baby die from hooping cough.
Its so stupid I'm off this one . Just letting these idiots know.

 

[JoondalupJ]

yep, they won't let you in and thank god for that.

the anti vaccine brigade are you prime example of unweighted argument which inhibits proven science moving forward.

The vast majority of doctors (child specialists what ever you call them) believe in vaccination with most discounting the majority of outrageous claims that the anti-vaccination brigade claim

the problem is, the media give them the same level of input as the proven science of vaccination, at best for a 5 minute chat on vaccination, anti vaccination should get about 15 seconds.

I would be happy for unvaccinated children to be completely excluded from public places and their parents the same - disgusting act of selfishness.

Well said Cap. Epidemics of desease killed thousands of people in the past before vaccine. Vaccination may or may not have caused problems . But the numbers for and against are won by simple logic.
Vacinate or stay away from me. I have an immunosupressed child , I would be murderous thinking some half wit gave something horrible to my family member because they believed in rubbish.

 

[vealesy]

So how do you feel about halfwits that get sick from a vaccination and then spread the disease?

 

[MrCharisma]

So how do you feel about halfwits that get sick from a vaccination and then spread the disease?

Vaccines contain an inactivated virus that cannot infect you or transmit itself .

 

[vealesy]

False.

 

[MrCharisma]

False.

Care to elaborate?

 

[vealesy]

People taking sickies after getting the flu shot...