Covid-19 Antivaxxers, extremism and the Coalition

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Gralin

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So a protestor with a noose around her own neck is the same as a gallows and chants to hang the Premier?

I don't think Credlin is stupid enough to believe that, she's just getting paid to say it.

What about you?
 

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The Iraq war protest was significant too

going off a really rusty memory, i think that was just behind the kennett protests the unions did

even that was about half of the vietnam protests (millennials forget that wasnt just a war protest, but a protest against the draft which historically has always been a strong motivator)
 

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The iraq one was big because they asked CBD based people to attend after work one evening, on the way home. Might not have been so if people needed to attend on the weekend etc
People certainly turned out and milled in the cities
 

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99.9 % of the people who were protesting in what might have been the biggest protest ever in Melbourne were doing so because they were concerned about the state government having too much power under previous state of emergency legislation and its proposed replacement. Given that Melbourne has spent more time in lockdown than any other city it's a reasonable position to take.

Plenty of people who attend climate change protest openly admit that complete global socialism is their objective. Socialism is responsible for the deaths of well over 100 million people. That is incitement to kill.
After reading this I think you should change your user name to Moronia67, it would be more accurate.

These recent protest were nowhere near the biggest protests in Melbourne. I'm sure the Vietnam protests gathered hundreds of thousands and even 200,000 people are reported to have marched in Melbourne in 2003 against the US involvement in the middle east. As far as I can find out, the freedum-antivax rallies are reported to have had 'thousands' of morons attend. That's only two orders of magnitude less than the other protests. I'm sure you will continue to believe otherwise.

Was Melbourne was not the most locked down city, probably not - Josh Frydenberg says Melbourne is the world's most locked down city. Is that correct? - ABC News. Rule number 12 of happy life, if a federal liberal says somethings true, there is a good case it's not. Remember they said clean coal was coming, renewables will destroy the weekend, you can never make up the majority of our power from renewables (Hint look at SA during october), renewables are too expensive. All these are lies.

I don't think you know the meaning of socialism, I suspect you really mean communism.
 

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where dya read that? Did Sky News tell you that? The people marching in Melbourne have been conned and used by the Christian Nationalists and all manner of lunatics, many of the participants are lunatics, to decry the what would be a far more transparent piece of legislation that exists in other states. The state of emergency type powers are a rolling type of power that needs to be ratified on the floor of the Parliament before it is extended and one of the greatest criticisms of Victoria's response was that it acted to late. This law is to "future proof", if you like, the need to recall parliament to extend the emergency powers instead of acting swiftly.

It will also take the repsonsibilty of actions, initial and on going, away from the Health Department and give it to the Minister where it should be. If the hero of the morons that were marching, Morrison, had done this right from the off, that is that he and the relevant Minister had taken responsibility instead of what was ostensibly a border security and intelligence and a customs and quarantine issue instead of handing it over to public servants from the Department of Health, then we would not have had 2,000 deaths and thousands of people with significant on going health issues nor the massive disruptions to our lives.

The legislation makes it a requirement to publish the health advice that the Minister uses to make whatever decision he or she makes. This makes it the best law concerning Covid decisions of any Australian State but what do we see, ignorant people marching against something they know nothing about and/or, right-wing Christian Nationalists, Right wing Supremacists and antivaxx morons! We even see people coming on here saying, "Plenty of people who attend climate change protest openly admit that complete global socialism is their objective. Socialism is responsible for the deaths of well over 100 million people. That is incitement to kill." What an incredibly preposterous statement!

People from all walks of life, from right across the political spectrum; socialists, centrists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, conservatives, rich, poor, gay, straight, you name it and they are terrified of what climate change means and what is happening in the world today because of UNBRIDLED CAPITALISM. Most of the people on those climate change protests/marches don't want to se the violent or otherwise overthrow of capitalism, they want to see regulations forcing corporations/businesses into being responsible in their actions.

The idiots that were carrying nooses and inciting violence and death upon the Premier and others are imbeciles and thugs and are the children of UNBRIDLED CAPITALISM, you know, free rein to do whatever the f**k they want to do with no thought or respect for others and when the Governments that we have elected under our democratic processes undertake the necessary measure to protect all of us, they go sp****c!

Debating the merits of the proposed legislation is a separate matter. The fact is most of the people are protesting because they are fearful of government having too much power. Even if those fears are unfounded in your opinion that does not make them dangerous extremist.

Yes most people protests at climate protests because they care for the environment from all walks of life. However some openly want to overthrow the capitalist order and replace it with an ideology that has killed more humans than any other.

I agree with you 100% on the idiots carrying the nooses. I think they should face some type of punishment. But we have to be consistent and call it out on both sides. A noose around a baby's neck is not okay.

The key point is at all large protest on both sides you will get a few nut jobs who hold extreme views and can incite violence.
 

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I find it funny when these people call themselves the silent majority. They're nowhere near the majority and unfortunately they never shut up.

Who are you referring to ? I know the Liberal party is behind in the polls but at the federal level they have spent significantly more time in power than Labor.
 

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Debating the merits of the proposed legislation is a separate matter. The fact is most of the people are protesting because they are fearful of government having too much power. Even if those fears are unfounded in your opinion that does not make them dangerous extremist.

Yes most people protests at climate protests because they care for the environment from all walks of life. However some openly want to overthrow the capitalist order and replace it with an ideology that has killed more humans than any other.

I agree with you 100% on the idiots carrying the nooses. I think they should face some type of punishment. But we have to be consistent and call it out on both sides. A noose around a baby's neck is not okay.

The key point is at all large protest on both sides you will get a few nut jobs who hold extreme views and can incite violence.
What ideology would that be?
 

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99.9 % of the people who were protesting in what might have been the biggest protest ever in Melbourne were doing so because they were concerned about the state government having too much power under previous state of emergency legislation and its proposed replacement. Given that Melbourne has spent more time in lockdown than any other city it's a reasonable position to take.

Plenty of people who attend climate change protest openly admit that complete global socialism is their objective. Socialism is responsible for the deaths of well over 100 million people. That is incitement to kill.
It actually wasn’t a big protest- just because someone makes up a lie and other people repeat it, doesn’t make it any more factual.
Please explain to me how you know what the concerns of 99.% of people at the rally were?
 

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It wasn't the biggest protest ever.

The Vietnam War protests were larger, and as such also had a much higher proportion of the states population in attendance.

Why do millennials have zero idea of anything that happened before the PS3?
Millennials who know their stuff actually do know the protests of Vietnam war and other political movements

However a lot of us got shithouse education from the Howard Liberal and National government gutting education.

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Apart from Gun Control and Same Sex marriage this meme is the liberals 3rd greatest thing they did to us Howard era kids.
 

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So a protestor with a noose around her own neck is the same as a gallows and chants to hang the Premier?

I don't think Credlin is stupid enough to believe that, she's just getting paid to say it.

What about you?

Placing a noose around a baby dolls neck is much worse than a noose around the Premiers.

 

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It actually wasn’t a big protest- just because someone makes up a lie and other people repeat it, doesn’t make it any more factual.
Please explain to me how you know what the concerns of 99.% of people at the rally were?

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You only have to speak to most Victorians to know they are concerned about the state government having too much control over their life.
 

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You think socialism is bad do you?
Hope that isn't your public school education.
Or something you read in a book from a library.
Or heard at a bulk billing doctors office, or from a firefighter putting out a house fire.

Or read on a sign on a public road, or bus, or train.
 

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You only have to speak to most Victorians to know they are concerned about the state government having too much control over their life.
Right, and you have spoken to ‘most’ of the 6.6 million Victorians have you? That must keep you very busy.
Still, I’d have thought the high vaccination rate- you know the thing that is factual, would tell you ‘most Victorians’ are on board with the govt mandates.
 

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You know, I can't for the life of me not work out why our esteemed fourth estate hasn't asked Morrison the simple question when he arcs up about states and territories restricting unvaccinated Australians from participating in "normal" life to relax their rules: "Is it fair that 80% of the population that has done all the heavy lifting only to see the 20% who have screamed and kicked and refused to do their bit reap the benefits of those with a sense of civil responsibility who got vaccinated? What was the point of people getting vaccinated then if they are going to be exposed to those who aren't?"
I still maintain that this viewpoint is both what they want you to think and their desired behaviour for you. It achieves their aims.

They get to sit back and watch you quite happily blame people for their own sickness, instead of the entire population focussing their attention on a government and a PM who has failed them. Instead of his government being truly under the microscope, he a) gets to appeal to the votes of the antivaxxers via whistles, and b) gets to obviate his own faults by blaming a person's illness on them.

And I get that we can walk and chew bubblegum; we're not stupid, we can criticize the government and hold antivaxxers in contempt. But that splits our attention away from fixating it where it truly belongs.
 

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Right, and you have spoken to ‘most’ of the 6.6 million Victorians have you? That must keep you very busy.
Still, I’d have thought the high vaccination rate- you know the thing that is factual, would tell you ‘most Victorians’ are on board with the govt mandates.

Big difference between getting vaccinated and being supportive of the world's longest lockdown.

Have you spoken to 6.6 million Victorians about this or any other matter ?
 

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