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Apache Cat vs The Hussler

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The Hussler easily over any distance, any track, any track condition.
 

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So, Apache Cat dodged Weekend Hussler in the sprints in Melbourne even though he would beat him?

I dont think so.
 
Taking a line through Magnus, who finished 2nd to the Hussler twice, but couldn't get near The Cat on saturday... I'd think the Cat over 1200m... especially on rain effected ground.
 

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Almost Famous said:
Apache dodged him? haha Thats funny.
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He dodged him in the Newmarket. Even though he was top weight he would have met Hussler better at the weights as compared to weight for age.(<--wrong)
 
Take a look at the fields Apache Cat beat in the sprint races he has won. They were much better than any of the sprinters Hussler took on. If any horse was doing the doging (and they werent) it was Hussler. As I said, Apache dodged him? rofl Thats funny and the comment of someone who clearly doesn't understand the type of racehorse Apache Cat is re: needing to be kept fresh and obviously hasn't heard of the Global Sprint Challenge.
 
Almost Famous said:
Take a look at the fields Apache Cat beat in the sprint races he has won. They were much better than any of the sprinters Hussler took on. If any horse was doing the doging (and they werent) it was Hussler. As I said, Apache dodged him? rofl Thats funny and the comment of someone who clearly doesn't understand the type of racehorse Apache Cat is re: needing to be kept fresh and obviously hasn't heard of the Global Sprint Challenge.
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I undertand exactly what type of racehorse Apache Cat is. He is fantastic and yes he races best when fresh. There are plenty of races he races in that arn't part of the Global Sprint Challenge.

There was a three week break between his win at the Valley and the Newmarket. He didn't run in the race because of the weight he had to carry which from memory was about the same as weight for age (58).

Weekend Hussler ran in it carrying more than weight for age and won.

It stands to reason that Eurell didn't think he could win and dodged the race.
 
Dear oh dear you are showing your ignorance now arent you? And on a number of levels I might add.

First of all, Weekend Hussler only had to carry more than WFA because the two top weights didnt accept for the race. Weights had to be raised 1kg (which in itself shows what a weak renewal of the race it was) to meet the minimum 57kg top weight.

Hussler was originally given 55kg, 0.5kg BELOW WFA. On the other hand Apache Cat was given 58.5kg or 0.5kg ABOVE WFA. So your claim that Apache Cat would have met Hussler better than at WFA it complete rubbish. It would do you good to get yourself a copy of the WFA scale to help you make informed comments instead of making yourself look like a complete goose.

So given that Apache Cat was actually 1kg worse off at the weights (quite a bit over a sprint trip) its no surprise the trainer decided to go straight to Sydney. There were bigger fish to fry internationally than a weak as water handicap where he'd been backed into a corner by the handicapper. Your claim that he dodged Hussler is laughable and really shows a great deal of ignorance. I suppose you think Husser dodged the Doncaster field too do you? rofl
 

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Almost Famous said:
Dear oh dear you are showing your ignorance now arent you? And on a number of levels I might add.

First of all, Weekend Hussler only had to carry more than WFA because the two top weights didnt accept for the race. Weights had to be raised 1kg (which in itself shows what a weak renewal of the race it was) to meet the minimum 57kg top weight.

Hussler was originally given 55kg, 0.5kg BELOW WFA. On the other hand Apache Cat was given 58.5kg or 0.5kg ABOVE WFA. So your claim that Apache Cat would have met Hussler better than at WFA it complete rubbish. It would do you good to get yourself a copy of the WFA scale to help you make informed comments instead of making yourself look like a complete goose.

So given that Apache Cat was actually 1kg worse off at the weights (quite a bit over a sprint trip) its no surprise the trainer decided to go straight to Sydney. There were bigger fish to fry internationally than a weak as water handicap where he'd been backed into a corner by the handicapper. Your claim that he dodged Hussler is laughable and really shows a great deal of ignorance. I suppose you think Husser dodged the Doncaster field too do you? rofl
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You really dont comprehend very well do you?

Whether i'm half a kilo out in the weights or not (considering I made it clear I was estimating AC's weight from memory) is beside the point. You can go ahead and grasp at that and hold it close but it doesn't mean a thing. Didn't Hussler win carrying more than weight for age? The fact that AC dodged the race altering the weights doesn't mean that it isn't so

Eurell didn't run AC because he didn't think he could win (or was not confident enough). He will never get less weight in a handicap.

This is probably a futile argument because the two horses are now on very different paths and may not ever meet.

The international handicappers obviously rate Hussler a superior sprinter but I dont need them to back up what is obvious.

By the way, you might want to point out where I said in my post that AC would have met Hussler better at weight for age?
 
The international handicapper? lol Is that the same international handicapper that rates a horse 5lbs superior if a race is run in Europe? And automatically gives the Derby winner the highest 3yo rating every year regardless? No one who has more than a passing interest in ratings takes that list even remotely seriously. Why am I not surprised that you do?

You can dress it up any way you like but the fact remains that youve proven beyond any doubt that you fail to grasp the basics. Youve proven you lack a basic understanding of the WFA scale. Youve proven that you lack a basic understanding of the type of horse Apache Cat is. Youve proven that you lack a basic understanding of the big picture - ie Global Sprint Challenge. Thats a loverly little trifecta youve got going there.

Only a goose would suggest that Apache Cat dodged Weekend Hussler in the Newmarket. And only an even bigger goose would then refuse to take the logical next step and also claim that Weekend Hussler dodged the Doncaster field. You can probably be forgiven though as its as clear as day that youre fairly new to racing. Youll learn in time.
 
Almost Famous said:
The international handicapper? lol Is that the same international handicapper that rates a horse 5lbs superior if a race is run in Europe? And automatically gives the Derby winner the highest 3yo rating every year regardless? No one who has more than a passing interest in ratings takes that list even remotely seriously. Why am I not surprised that you do?

You can dress it up any way you like but the fact remains that youve proven beyond any doubt that you fail to grasp the basics. Youve proven you lack a basic understanding of the WFA scale. Youve proven that you lack a basic understanding of the type of horse Apache Cat is. Youve proven that you lack a basic understanding of the big picture - ie Global Sprint Challenge. Thats a loverly little trifecta youve got going there.

Only a goose would suggest that Apache Cat dodged Weekend Hussler in the Newmarket. And only an even bigger goose would then refuse to take the logical next step and also claim that Weekend Hussler dodged the Doncaster field. You can probably be forgiven though as its as clear as day that youre fairly new to racing. Youll learn in time.
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Of course Weekend Hussler dodged the Doncaster Field. McDonald wasn't sure he could win, and if he did, knew he would be weighted out of the cups. IMO, and even though its my opinion you'll probly attack me anyway for what I say, Apache Cat dodged the Newmarket. He wouldn't be getting any favors at the weights and wouldn't be fully fresh. So he didn't run. Very legitimate reasons, but still means he dodged the race and technically, certain horses (or a horse) in the race who could have potentially beaten him.
 
I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him Slushpup. His hero worship of AC blinds his every argument to the point where he just tries unsuccessfully to play the man.

Apparently I know nothing about racing and all about being a goose because off the top of my head I was .5kg out in regard to the weight of a 5yo gelding at WFA.

He's more interested in arguing semantics than the truth.

Apache Cat was not badly weighted in the Newmarket and still dodged the race (a race I might add Almost Famous described as "weak as water").

Anyway, it's pointless arguing with someone who rates himself a superior judge of horse performance and ability than those experts who are paid professionally to do so.
 
Btw, of course Weekend Hussler dodged the Doncaster. His trainer said if he won he would get too much weight in the cups. That's common sense.

AC is on a weight for age mission at the moment so winning a handicap such as the Newmarket would not have effected his weight in future races which he is aiming at. He was weighted pretty well in the Newmarket and dodged it.

Maybe, you ought to read this article...
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23255304-5006021,00.html

"Apache Cat was handicapped to carry 58.5kg in the 1200m Newmarket at Flemington on March 8.

Since the metric system was introduced to racing in 1972, the highest winning weight is Shaftesbury Avenue's 58kg in 1991.

"We thought carrying that weight left him open to being a bit vulnerable to horses like Weekend Hussler, Stanzout and Bon Hoffa," Eurell said yesterday."
 

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