apologist vs ????

[beatnik]

i always thought that someone who 100% backs a person or entity no matter what the context of the criticism was an 'apologist'

but lately it seems the term is being used to describe anyone who defends the club or players against unfounded criticisms

i guess we all like to consider ourselves as 'somewhere in the middle' of the bell curve but it got me to wondering exactly what the opposite of an apologist was?

would the term 'hater' be a reasonable polar opposite? (i.e. a hater = someone who sledges the club and players no matter the context or criticism)

your thoughts?

 

[Vipertooth]

hater sounds reasonable

 

[BigCat2]

Hater sounds too strong. Axe grinder?

 

[Hollow Knight]

How about 'Possessor of Chipped Shoulder"

 

[xplo]

i always thought that someone who 100% backs a person or entity no matter what the context of the criticism was an 'apologist'

but lately it seems the term is being used to describe anyone who defends the club or players against unfounded criticisms

i guess we all like to consider ourselves as 'somewhere in the middle' of the bell curve but it got me to wondering exactly what the opposite of an apologist was?

would the term 'hater' be a reasonable polar opposite? (i.e. a hater = someone who sledges the club and players no matter the context or criticism)

your thoughts?

The criticism doesn't bother me too much. I just tend to think that 'grandstandy', chest beating, 'soapboxey' stuff is just a bit tedious to read. It's not hard to write and it's not either entertaining or thought-provoking to read -- so I just tend not to, these days.

Quigs has pumped out some great examples recently of what value you can contribute with a bit of thought. I doubt he is any less somber about our recent form than anyone else. It takes a lot more effort than an aimless tirade , but I think plenty of people are very thankful he took the time to add value.

We all get disappointed. Some of us boot the dog. Some of us torture the bejeezus out of a golf ball. Some of us get online, grab a soapbox and rant like a lunatic till we feel better. That's cool -- whatever gets you through the night.

I just generally have to be very, very bored to get around to reading it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

The criticism doesn't bother me too much. I just tend to think that 'grandstandy', chest beating, 'soapboxey' stuff is just a bit tedious to read. It's not hard to write and it's not either entertaining or thought-provoking to read -- so I just tend not to, these days.

Quigs has pumped out some great examples recently of what value you can contribute with a bit of thought. I doubt he is any less somber about our recent form than anyone else. It takes a lot more effort than an aimless tirade , but I think plenty of people are very thankful he took the time to add value.

We all get disappointed. Some of us boot the dog. Some of us torture the bejeezus out of a golf ball. Some of us get online, grab a soapbox and rant like a lunatic till we feel better. That's cool -- whatever gets you through the night.

I just generally have to be very, very bored to get around to reading it.

Poor dog.

 

[Warwick]

Poor dog.

I'm more worried about the golf ball.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm more worried about the golf ball.

Nah, I've seen Xplo play before.

The golf ball has nothing to worry about.

Gets a nice soft sandy/watery landing.

 

[xplo]

Nah, I've seen Xplo play before.

The golf ball has nothing to worry about.

Gets a nice soft sandy/watery landing.

I'd like to take issue with that!!


Although,.. um.. I can't

 

[Warwick]

George: So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys, I was terrified! But I pressed on and as I made my way passed the breakers a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things but I tell you Jerry at that moment I was a marine biologist!

Elaine: George I was just reading this thing in the papers, it's amazing!
George: I know I was just telling them the story.
Kramer: Come on George, finish the story.
George: The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to return soup at a deli!

George: I got about fifty-feet out and then suddenly the great beast appeared before me. I tell ya he was ten stories high if he was a foot. As if sensing my presence he gave out a big bellow. I said, "Easy big fella!" And then as I watched him struggling I realized something was obstructing his breathing. From where I was standing I could see directly into the eye of the great fish!
Jerry: Mammal.
George: Whatever.
Kramer: Well, what did you do next?
George: Then from out of nowhere a huge title wave lifted, tossed like a cork and I found myself on top of him face to face with the blow-hole. I could barely see from all of the waves crashing down on top of me but I knew something was there so I reached my hand... and pulled out the obstruction!

(George pulls out of the inside pocket a golf ball)

Kramer: What is that a Titleist? A hole in one eh.
Jerry: Well the crowd most have gone wild!
George: Oh yes they did Jerry they were all over me. It was like Rocky 1. Diane came up to me, threw her arms around me, and kissed me. We both had tears streaming down our faces. I never saw anyone so beautiful. It was at that moment I decided to tell her I was not a marine biologist!
Jerry: Wow! What'd she say?
George: She told me to "Go to hell!" and I took the bus home.

 

[Hollow Knight]

George: So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys, I was terrified! But I pressed on and as I made my way passed the breakers a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things but I tell you Jerry at that moment I was a marine biologist!

Elaine: George I was just reading this thing in the papers, it's amazing!
George: I know I was just telling them the story.
Kramer: Come on George, finish the story.
George: The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to return soup at a deli!

George: I got about fifty-feet out and then suddenly the great beast appeared before me. I tell ya he was ten stories high if he was a foot. As if sensing my presence he gave out a big bellow. I said, "Easy big fella!" And then as I watched him struggling I realized something was obstructing his breathing. From where I was standing I could see directly into the eye of the great fish!
Jerry: Mammal.
George: Whatever.
Kramer: Well, what did you do next?
George: Then from out of nowhere a huge title wave lifted, tossed like a cork and I found myself on top of him face to face with the blow-hole. I could barely see from all of the waves crashing down on top of me but I knew something was there so I reached my hand... and pulled out the obstruction!

(George pulls out of the inside pocket a golf ball)

Kramer: What is that a Titleist? A hole in one eh.
Jerry: Well the crowd most have gone wild!
George: Oh yes they did Jerry they were all over me. It was like Rocky 1. Diane came up to me, threw her arms around me, and kissed me. We both had tears streaming down our faces. I never saw anyone so beautiful. It was at that moment I decided to tell her I was not a marine biologist!
Jerry: Wow! What'd she say?
George: She told me to "Go to hell!" and I took the bus home.

Classic episode.

"Is anyone here a marine biologist?!?"

 

[Warwick]

One of the greatest television scenes ever:

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[Hollow Knight]

The look on Kramer's face when George pulls out the Titleist is perfect.

God I love that show.

That Monologue by George is awesome, even better than Kramer's story about driving the bus to the hospital with the woman's pinky toe.

George: You're Batman!

[youtube]oD99-kMBvWI[/youtube]

 

[blynd_freddie]

Classic episode.

"Is anyone here a marine biologist?!?"

Played the role of a "marine biologist" to two Swedish girls on a reef in Bali.
Even without a language barrier and my "hobby" knowledge of the ocean, I think they saw I was more BS than MB.
But still had drinks and a good laugh during and after.

 

[Homer Jnr]

What's the point of this thread?

 

[John]

What's the point of this thread?

Reread the original post. Beatnik raises a good point.

 

[Homer Jnr]

Reread the original post. Beatnik raises a good point.

No worries, got lost in the off-topic chatter that follows.

Having re-read it, it seems as though everyone is trying to turn this place is split. I though we just got told not to go down this path by the new mods.

 

[John]

No worries, got lost in the off-topic chatter that follows.

Having re-read it, it seems as though everyone is trying to turn this place is split. I though we just got told not to go down this path by the new mods.

They have a tough job. I do not respect some posters on this board at all.

 

[Homer Jnr]

They have a tough job. I do not respect some posters on this board at all.

I know they have a tough job. Just not sure how this thread helps them?

Why the lack of respect?

I know I personally probably don't always agree with posters, but this is an open forum, where opinion is supposed to thrive. So really, its fair for all to have an opinion. I learn a bit and laugh alot when reading around here. There is some garbage and some quality. But in the end, it is just the internet. I don't think I could lose all respect for someone just for presenting an opinion.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I know I personally probably don't always agree with posters, but this is an open forum, where opinion is supposed to thrive. So really, its fair for all to have an opinion. I learn a bit and laugh alot when reading around here. There is some garbage and some quality. But in the end, it is just the internet. I don't think I could lose all respect for someone just for presenting an opinion.

How very noble.

Past instances involving all parties would indicate that that isn't really the case though. No need to pretend everyone respects everyone here, because they don't.

 

[Homer Jnr]

How very noble.

Past instances involving all parties would indicate that that isn't really the case though. No need to pretend everyone respects everyone here, because they don't.

Just because poster's don't see eye to eye doesn't mean they shouldn't lack respect.

I have said things in the past that indicate I don't like certain posters, but I can't say I get that fed up in the internet that I lose sleep and lose all respect for people.

Maybe you just misread my intentions, or try to assume too much. But I can't fault that, its common.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Maybe you just misread my intentions, or try to assume too much. But I can't fault that, its common.

Pretty hard to misinterpret a recent comment you made.

I wont repeat it but you know what it is. You were Red-Carded for it.

We're all in this bog together, and its too late for any of us to claim the moral high-ground.

I'm not saying anymore because this thread will be locked anyway. And rightfully so I guess.

 

[Homer Jnr]

Pretty hard to misinterpret a recent comment you made.

I wont repeat it but you know what it is. You were Red-Carded for it.

We're all in this bog together, and its too late for any of us to claim the moral high-ground.

I'm not saying anymore because this thread will be locked anyway. And rightfully so I guess.

No, that was a clear misinterpretation, but I certainly wasn't sugarcoating my disdain for some posters at that stage. No matter what, I won't totally lose respect for someone based on an internet forum, thats just weird.

I agree, there is no moral high-ground to claim. All I am trying to say is that while John finds it hard to respect some posters, I don't see things that way. Its a different side to story. No malice intended. Just a differing view.

And while you're leaving this thread, I shall join.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I was content to leave this thread open, as it was exploring the nature of some posters to pigeonhole others into neat little categories, whether that be the perceived tags of negative or positive posters and somehow inferring that posters in said categories are somehow less of a supporter.

Why do I feel like i'm going go blue in the face saying this: It's up to you to check your behavior and how you relate to others, not us mods. You're all apparently grown-ups, start behaving like it. We don't want any "but they started it" stuff. We don't want any name-calling.

We're never going to get new posters in here if they come in and find the same set of posters continually butting heads over something that really doesn't have anything to do with this season. Yes, I know the history of it all, but it's time for a clean slate.

If you're offended by positivity then don't respond to a positive post unless you can do so without condescension. Likewise negative ones. Don't read stuff into posts that aren't really there but you perceive. Otherwise weevil will be forced to get medieval on all of your arses.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Don't read stuff into posts that aren't really there but you perceive.

What the hell did you just say about my sister? I'LL KILL YOU!