Training Apples' & Jen's Training Thread 2021 (Latest report #2053)

[Gone Critical]

Then add in the likely chance that the blokes we picked in the 30s don't make it. (Not a comment on who we picked - I have no idea about them) But I struggle to see why people were impressed with our draft night trading. We traded a pick that may end up quite early for a couple of picks in the late 20s. Then throw in that next year's draft is considered stronger by most and that the 2020 draft was always going to be a short draft so you would have expected those picks to be cheaper than normal. I just can't see how we got reasonable bang for our buck. Fingers crossed that they judged the 2020 draft well and got it right.

Yep , partly because our cap problems left us with no choice but to load up in a draft others have avoided, we are on a high risk low return strategy. Will be an outstanding result for Hine if it pays off but risk hasn't been accounted for yet.

I think this preseason is a bit like owning a racehorse with a group of mates before it runs for the first time. You know there are plenty of newbies out there with better pedigrees and sharper looks but you are still dreaming of the Cox plate. A start on the lesser days and winning when you let your mind go. I mean Takeover Target cost $1375 and won over $6million didn't it.

Looks good in trackwork, the trainer is suggesting lets not get too excited just yet but ya gotta dream. When after 4 starts the trainer suggest selling it to far North Queensland "where all slow race horses should go" ( still have Mick Prices words ringing in my ears ) reality has set in.

 

[sr36]

It is a disadvantage not having that development league option anymore but VFL listed players who don't get picked get to go back to their home club to play.

If he was given the option and no assurances, it'd be a pretty easy choice for Dib if he wants to maximise his chance of getting drafted. Playing NAB with his peers where everything is recorded and watched closely by AFL recruiters. Or playing against men, where he may struggle initially in the comp with some exposure and end up playing for whoever his local team is - where nobody is watching.

 

[Jen2310]

Puts him behind others for R1 selection as well you'd think.

Hopefully. I love what he brings, but its time for someone to go past him. Maybe open the door for Murphy.

 

[Harry O]

Not sure why we wouldn't look to match a bid. If he's rated in the 2nd round and we've offloaded all our picks to match a bid on Daicos, he essentially becomes another free hit.

Be interesting to see what jockeying we do during the trade period and draft day given we've traded our 1st round pick already.

Just keep trading next year’s first into this year in live trading every year. Simples

 

[Harry O]

Those photos of Henry today remind me of a young Matthew Lloyd. I know he is a bit shorter but very similar. A nice rig that will fill out well

 

[jackcass]

If he was given the option and no assurances, it'd be a pretty easy choice for Dib if he wants to maximise his chance of getting drafted. Playing NAB with his peers where everything is recorded and watched closely by AFL recruiters. Or playing against men, where he may struggle initially in the comp with some exposure and end up playing for whoever his local team is - where nobody is watching.

If a player is worth watching then clubs will find a way to get to see them. Look at Sier.

I doubt Hine will formally tell any potential draftee we're committed to them.

 

[sr36]

If a player is worth watching then clubs will find a way to get to see them. Look at Sier.

Sometimes, but if a short prospect who was only moderately rated hasn't played for 12 months and then can't get a touch playing in the VFL - are you going out of your way to watch him and only him in a local league, rather than watching 15 prospects running around playing NAB? He'd want to have a blinder the time somebody turned up.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Lots still desperately scraping around for something tangible to can our drafting efforts on, I'm smelling a lot of if coming off these scrapings.

I'm happy to let it play out and see how things pan out.

 

[rand corp]

Part of the joy of Jan-Feb / pre-season and getting through the off season is the speculating on the young kids coming through, the newbies and those hoping for a break out year.

Great to listen to whose 'training the house down' and whose looking like a 'March Champion'.

Keeps it fun and gives us something to look forward to

 

[deano_66]

Anybody know what time the game starts against Geelong on Friday. I have heard it will be streamed online if you are a member but no idea on time. Thank you

 

[Leviathan Pie]

They're all champions @ training come this time of year.

Get me to Round 1.

 

[Apex36]

The kids who play seniors in those state leagues are getting picked because they're ready for seniors in that league. If they're not ready they play reserves or underage. Who knows where Dib fits in terms of VFL readiness - but he doesn't have a reserve of underage option in Collingwood's VFL - thus unless certainly ready for VFL seniors, he needs to be at another club.

Both Daicos and Dib have early birthdays. Daicos is a matter of weeks younger than Reef. Dib is more solidly built than some of our senior players. If our draftees are ready for VFL footy then those boys should be too.

 

[Apex36]

Sometimes, but if a short prospect who was only moderately rated hasn't played for 12 months and then can't get a touch playing in the VFL - are you going out of your way to watch him and only him in a local league, rather than watching 15 prospects running around playing NAB? He'd want to have a blinder the time somebody turned up.

They’d all be there to watch Daicos anyway. He’d get the exposure.

 

[Jen2310]

Anybody know what time the game starts against Geelong on Friday. I have heard it will be streamed online if you are a member but no idea on time. Thank you

I knew some clubs are doing it for members only but didn’t think we were one of them. But I’d say late afternoon given there is a aflw game at cats park in the evening


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[sr36]

Both Daicos and Dib have early birthdays. Daicos is a matter of weeks younger than Reef. Dib is more solidly built than some of our senior players. If our draftees are ready for VFL footy then those boys should be too.

Yep, but a lot of draftees do struggle in their first year of VFL. If Dib struggled, he probably wouldn't become a draftee. I just think he's got a better chance of showing his potential in u18. I think he's more likely to be drafted if he goes that route.

 

[Billys Back]

Before I do my report. Mayne copped a falcon and prob resulted in a concussion. Had to get help off the ground. Looked a bit dazed.

Surprise surprise.....

 

[Good_Old]

Just keep trading next year’s first into this year in live trading every year. Simples

 

[Jen2310]

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[Jen2310]

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[Daicos Torpedo]

I haven't paid up yet. Probably not worth it for this game. I would get the live stream in June with how slow process is with membership

 

[Sea fog]

Saw this on Zucker's site


.”Adams did only short kicking yesterday but i would expect him ready for rd1. Went to training this morning. They did some match sim. It rained in the early part causing mayne to have a sickening accident in front of me. He led into a bullet pass from about 30m away. The kick to him was slightly off target so as he was running into it he leant sideways into the path of the ball which would have been somewhat heavy. His feet and legs went from under him and as he crashed to the ground the ball got him flush in the face and his head hit the ground and then whipped. He was unconscious for what seemed at least 2 mins. They stopped the session. He slowly came around and with the support of the doc and trainer they ultimately got him up and then supported him across the ground to the rooms. He was very groggy. I would expect him to miss our next two practice matches against geelong and richmond at least..i also see degoey copped a foot injury last week. He was not there today. As for others in the match sim, it was all a bit of a scamble and nobody really stood out except Sidey. Tyler Brown

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Tyler Brown

Age

21

Ht

188cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

did some nice inside work to get the ball to the outside runners. Sier was throwing his weight around. Madgen got caught out of position once and a few of the players told him about it. Payback?? Mcmahon and kelly played key forwards for the same team but the delivery to them was poor so neither had any impact. Perhaps after a full on intraclub last friday night, they were all a bit out of sorts. Thomas and Ginnivan were both in rehab today and the fitness guy told me they both had corkies from friday night

 

[Jen2310]

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[TradeDraft]

Mcmahon and kelly played key forwards for the same team but the delivery to them was poor so neither had any impact

Nothing Changed There.

Ball Use to our Forwards is still sh*t

 

[Mkcaptain]

Would love it if the stream was commentated by someone like Michael Christian as a Collingwood man and Anthony Hudson as a Geelong man

 

[partypie]

Would we be fully committed to Dib yet? Unless we're fully committed, it'd be unfair on him. He needs to play the standard that is the best chance of him getting drafted, which I suspect is NAB against his peers.

Having said that good performances against grown men playing a higher standard of footy at VFL level would do nothing but improve his prospects.