Apples' Training Reports

[sr36]

Yet Schaz was 10 seconds quicker than Goldsack who we all know is quick.

Nearly 1/2 the squad didn't even partake so not sure how much weight we need to attribute to the outcomes.

Goldsack is quick, but not someone ever associated with endurance.

I don't think that 2km time trials are particularly relevant to AFL except as indicators of endurance.

With Shaz, it's a concern and I'd suggest pretty rare for a player to appear below average in all key physical departments.

 

[watt price tully]

BTW, I love Kirby as much as anyone and I want him to make it and it is somewhat pleasing that he hasn't come back a massive blob after xmas like he did last year but he needs to be improving those times. He's a pro now. It's a concern.

Meh, he ran 5 100ths of s second slower than he did

Dads nickname was darky , played with lots of the boys after 9 years in world war 2 ( 16 to 25) prior to coaching
Worked for wren, collingwood primary,collingwood cricket as well
At 6 foot 2 and no sleeves , gave the younger blokes confidence
Played mpfl to age 43

Ps was darky the protector but wouldn't fit lol

Cheers for that.

 

[Soups]

Goldsack is quick, but not someone ever associated with endurance.

I don't think that 2km time trials are particularly relevant to AFL except as indicators of endurance.

With Shaz, it's a concern and I'd suggest pretty rare for a player to appear below average in all key physical departments.

Goldy never even ran a time trial until last year that’s why he’s never been associated with endurance.

 

[jackcass]

Obviously putting in the work, good sign

The most uncoordinated player I can recall at this level in my time watching footy but has some positive attributes.

 

[watt price tully]

Think it's 5 seconds, but still not a huge amount after a couple of weeks away.

noted. cheers

 

[sr36]

Goldy never even ran a time trial until last year that’s why he’s never been associated with endurance.

Great closing speed, but doesn't cover much territory.

 

[watt price tully]

You read it wrong.

Noted. Cheers

 

[jackcass]

Goldsack is quick, but not someone ever associated with endurance.

I don't think that 2km time trials are particularly relevant to AFL except as indicators of endurance.

With Shaz, it's a concern and I'd suggest pretty rare for a player to appear below average in all key physical departments.

Not sure we know too much about Goldy's endurance from a time trial perspective but he's a senior player who is renowned for his repeat efforts and he runs out games at senior level.

I'm also wary of taking too much by appearances when discussing Schaz as I think much of his development in area's like endurance, strength and agility have been seriously impacted by his injury history. I hope he'll improve those 3 areas as he develops. Will never be quick though. Time will tell.

 

[Scodog10]

He was slower than Cox at the start of the preseason iirc so he’s improved significantly.

Edit: I didn’t recall correctly. After going back to check, Berg ran a 7.00 and Cox 7.01.

So berg has made a 9 second improvement and Cox a 6 second improvement. Can’t be too unhappy with that in context.

In terms of improvement Langdon is the standout, but at the same time given his general attitude he probably coasted late last year...

 

[Scodog10]

A sensational sunny morning for training today and the players were raring to go, arriving on the track at 9:30 to prepare for the 2 km time trial.

After some stretching and some casual running, the players assembled on the Glasshouse side of the oval in readiness.

Phillips and Smith were in the lead from the start and it was obvious that they would take some beating.

After one lap, Phillips led narrowly from Smith with Aish 50 metres back with a bunch of players about 100 metres behind.

Kayle Kirby was in last place after 1 lap.

Nothing much changed in the order over the next three laps with the following finishing order and times:

1. Tom Phillips 6:08
2. Josh Smith 6:09
3. James Aish 6:36
4. Rupert Wills 6:41
5. Brayden Maynard 6:42
6. Brayden Sier 6:48
7. Tom Langdon 6:52
8. Jackson Ramsay 7:00
9. Matthew Sharenberg 7:00
10. Mason Cox 7:01
11. Darcy Moore 7:04
12. Josh Daicos 7:05
13. Sam McLarty 7:17
14. Kayle Kirby 8:05

A few observations:

•Adam Oxley and Jackson Ramsay were both on the track this morning. Oxley did not run the time trial, but Ramsay did.
•Also not doing the time trial: Jordan DeGoey, Callum Brown, Max Lynch, Chris Mayne, Levi Greenwood.
•Anthony Rocca was participating and so I assume he accepted the part-time position that was offered.

Spoke to a few players about their preparations and gleaned the following:

Tom Phillips: Tom said he’s had a bit of a break because he needed to stop for a while, but did a run in India for charity. He feels like he has come back in pretty good shape. He said all players were mailed an individual training programme after a month or so and that all players were expected to maintain as best they could.
“There’s no point getting back to the club unfit, it just doesn’t work that way. You don’t want to be doing too much either, there’s no point coming back already stuffed.

Tom was also keen to discuss a podcast that he is involved in with a few friends. It’s a wide ranging sort of thing he said. He showed me how to access the site in the Apple Podcast app. It’s called 'The Boardroom' and Tom is happy for people to listen and to follow.

Kayle Kirby: Kale signed a few autographs and looked in pretty good shape considering the very tough session he’d just completed.
Neil: How do you feel after that time trial Kayle?
KK: Pretty stuffed but I did it and so that’s good.
Neil: You look in pretty good shape compared to last year.
KK: Last year was really tough so I’m much better this time.

I was lucky to get this out of Kayle who seems a very quiet and shy young man.

Earlier in the café, I was confronted by Geoff Walsh who asked who I was working with.
Neil: Working with? I’m a supporter. I’m here all the time. I write training reports for Big Footy.
GW: Big Footy?
Neil: (laughing) Why, did you think I was a spy?
GW: (snarling) I’d throw you straight out if you were. He then walked off.

That’s what I call a disappointing encounter. He saw me outside later talking to supporters and players and made no effort to apologise. That left a sour taste.

After the time trial, the players were put through a pretty gruelling session, which lasted for over two hours. A lot of the drills involved sharp handballing and kicking skills.

One drill, the Midfield Stoppage drill, was particularly gruelling with two teams pitted against each other; Red v Black. The players moved from one end to the other in this drill with no let up.

Red: Mason Cox (ruck), Maynard, Wills, Aish, Kirby, Smith
Black: Darcy Moore (ruck), Daicos, Langdon, Mayne, Greenwood Ramsay

Players left the arena at 11:45.
The next time trial will be in two weeks featuring the full list.

FYI re Kirby. He’s slipped 9 seconds since returning to training.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Meh, he ran 5 100ths of s second slower than he did


Cheers for that.

No worries
Go pies

 

[sr36]

Not sure we know too much about Goldy's endurance from a time trial perspective but he's a senior player who is renowned for his repeat efforts and he runs out games at senior level.

I'm also wary of taking too much by appearances when discussing Schaz as I think much of his development in area's like endurance, strength and agility have been seriously impacted by his injury history. I hope he'll improve those 3 areas as he develops. Will never be quick though. Time will tell.

Agree with all of that. Hopefully with Shaz, it is just still some fallout from his injuries and he'll develop far greater endurance, strenght and agility.

Goldy isn't a good comparison though, as he's an explosive mover and needs recovery between bursts more than the ability to run 2kms. I just think it's a bit worrying that Shaz's lack of pace isn't compensated by a heap of endurance, ala guys like Sidey, Phillips. Usually the guys who are a bit on the slower side are pretty good runners.

 

[swoop42]

Kirby has a tonne of natural football talent and it's why he excels at VFL level but unfortunately at the next level of AFL a lack of endurance generally gets exposed because the game is not only quicker players need to work harder to make repeated efforts to make themselves available as an option for a teammate and they have to chase the tail of an opponent looking to do the same.

Kirby will never be an endurance animal but let's hope he can eventually shave off 45 seconds to give his talent more opportunity to shine in the AFL.

 

[sr36]

Kirby has a tonne of natural football talent and it's why he excels at VFL level but unfortunately at the next level of AFL a lack of endurance generally gets exposed because the game is not only quicker players need to work harder to make repeated efforts to make themselves available as an option for a teammate and they have to chase the tail of an opponent looking to do the same.

Kirby will never be an endurance animal but let's hope he can eventually shave off 45 seconds to give his talent more opportunity to shine in the AFL.

You want repeat sprints from Kirby. It's his power that will be his biggest asset. You want him on our 2010 Buttifant program of minimising recovery time from a sprint and maximise the number of high intensity efforts he can do in a game, rather than training him for long distance running. Sprint-recover, sprint-recover, etc...

 

[Bored_Pie]

I'm more concerned with McLarty's time than Kirbys. He wont last a quarter in the seniors.

It's not about finishing last. He cut seconds of his last run.

Positions mean absolutely nothing if you yourself are improving.

 

[ClaytonM]

FYI re Kirby. He’s slipped 9 seconds since returning to training.

I read this as he has maintained his fitness level (good or bad) between runs. 9 seconds is not a dramatic drop. If it was 30 seconds i may be concerned. But these are not professional runners and i would expect some fluctuation in times for players even if they have maintained the same fitness level.

 

[MyManLynch]

FYI re Kirby. He’s slipped 9 seconds since returning to training.

It also took him longer to tie his boot laces...

 

[Quicky]

BTW, I love Kirby as much as anyone and I want him to make it and it is somewhat pleasing that he hasn't come back a massive blob after xmas like he did last year but he needs to be improving those times. He's a pro now. It's a concern.

We all know it's going to be a slow burn with Kirby.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Kirby's condition is obviously one of the worst in the AFL, and its something he will have to improve on. But at least this year he won't have to run laps for weeks at training just to get himself to a level where he's able to train with the team. And at least this year he won't be playing catch up for the first half of the VFL season.

While Kirby's still coming form a long way back, he's not coming from anywhere near as far back as he was last year.

The main concern with Kirby is if he gets injured he is going lose condition very quickly.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Dads nickname was darky , played with lots of the boys after 9 years in world war 2 ( 16 to 25) prior to coaching
Worked for wren, collingwood primary,collingwood cricket as well
At 6 foot 2 and no sleeves , gave the younger blokes confidence
Played mpfl to age 43

Ps was darky the protector but wouldn't fit lol

Great back story.
Great name too.

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

Kirby will not have to chase if he gets clean delivery on a lead. He can also read packs and rove. When he needs to chase he will hit n run like a road train a la B Pickett.... Remember, he came from outside of the system. Classic bush footballer... Needs time, but a footballer even in bursts has to be better than an athlete? It is footy after all...

 

[sr36]

Kirby will not have to chase if he gets clean delivery on a lead. He can also read packs and rove. When he needs to chase he will hit n run like a road train a la B Pickett.... Remember, he came from outside of the system. Classic bush footballer... Needs time, but a footballer even in bursts has to be better than an athlete? It is footy after all...

Play him as a permanent inside 50 target and he won't need to mess with this boring midpaced running lark. Sprint-goal-rest. Sprint-tackle-rest. Sprint-goal-rest. Sprint-hip and shoulder-tackle-goal-rest.

 

[jackcass]

Agree with all of that. Hopefully with Shaz, it is just still some fallout from his injuries and he'll develop far greater endurance, strenght and agility.

Goldy isn't a good comparison though, as he's an explosive mover and needs recovery between bursts more than the ability to run 2kms. I just think it's a bit worrying that Shaz's lack of pace isn't compensated by a heap of endurance, ala guys like Sidey, Phillips. Usually the guys who are a bit on the slower side are pretty good runners.

Yeah, wasn't suggesting Goldy was a good comparison, just responding to the Schaz - Cox comparison which I thought no less poor.

 

[Apex36]

Kirby will not have to chase if he gets clean delivery on a lead. He can also read packs and rove. When he needs to chase he will hit n run like a road train a la B Pickett.... Remember, he came from outside of the system. Classic bush footballer... Needs time, but a footballer even in bursts has to be better than an athlete? It is footy after all...

Are the Murray Burshrangers outside the system now?

 

[Scodog10]

Are the Murray Burshrangers outside the system now?

I thought it was the Pioneers myself. Perhaps it was a metaphor or something?