Training Apples' Training Threads 2018/19

sr36

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Time Trial Top 10 (Report to follow)
1. Jay Rantall 6:04
2. Tom Phillips 6:06

3. Sidebottom 6:21
4. Kelly 6:26
5. Murphy 6:29

6. Wilson 6:34
7. Madgen 6:35
8. Howe 6:36
9. Lynch 6:36
10. Tohill 6:37
5.50 at draft camp. Then a big drop to 6.04 today. The kid's really letting himself go - bloody concerning. Sounds like he's getting ahead of himself
 

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sr36

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Jordy’s set shots were amazingly good until last year. You have a short memory.
Amazingly good is a bit of a stretch. He's always been amazingly good when he plays on and snaps, but his drop punts have always looked a bit shaky to me.

They became worse last year because I think he butchered his technique in search of more distance. For outside 50 kicks he shifted the ball to the right in a hook kick motion. This ball drop crept into his closer range shots where he wasn't trying to hook around it.
 

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Training Report Monday December 2nd 2019
Weather: Cold and windy 11 degrees.
Not Training:
Beams (ill)
Langdon
Stephenson
WHE

It was the first training session for the full list and I suppose the players would prefer a cold day for the time trial, but I can't remember such a cold December day. As we crossed the MCG bridge, the wind almost took us with it.
At 9am the mowers were still at work and there was no sign of club activity.
Into the Glasshouse for a coffee (tepid and not very good) and a long wait. The players began to arrive at 10am and first onto the track was new recruit Tray Ruscoe who was happy to come across and talk to the fans. Sees himself as a utility type. Seems like a very likeable young fellow.

Trent Bianco was out soon after and responded to Lorraine's call to come across. He was happy to chat to the fans and Jen reminded him that we were there to watch his 'debut' a year ago.

Jay Rantall arrived and spent time talking to Bucks on the sidelines. He didn't respond to calls from the fans.

The players began with a warm up and then did stretches before coming over to get organised for the 2km time trial.

Training but not running time trial:
Maynard, C. Brown, Atu B, Quaynor, Mayne, Keane, Adams, Appleby, Broomhead, Treloar, Crisp, Greenwood, Noble and Dunn.

I suggested to Jen, who hobbled to training today, that Tom Phillips would lose his crown in the time trial to new boy Rantall, and that's exactly what happened. Rantall and Phillips took off to lead from the river end. At 500 metres it was Rantall by a metre from Phillips and that's the way it stayed until the last lap. On the AAMI wing, Rantall put the foot down and looked to be coasting away. He got to a handy 10 metre lead as they neared the northern goals, but Phillips applied the pressure. At the turn Rantall held his ground in the last 100 metre sprint and won by 12-15 metres.

Finishing order and times:
1. Jay Rantall 6:04

2. Tom Phillips 6:06
3. Sidebottom 6:21
4. Kelly 6:26
5. Murphy 6:29
6. Wilson 6:34
7. Madgen 6:35
8. Howe 6:36
9. Lynch 6:36
10. Tohill 6:37

••11. Sier 6:38 (previously thought it was Crispy)
12. Wills 6:44
13. Roughead 6:45
14. Trent Bianco 6:47
15. Sharenberg 6:48
16. Elliott 6:50
17. Mihocek 6:51
18. DeGoey 6:51:05
19. Tyler Brown 6:52
20. Pendlebury 6:53
21. Thomas 6:54
22. Tray Ruscoe 6:59

23. Varcoe 7:03
24. Darcy Cameron 7:04
25. Moore 7:12
26. Cox 7:18
27. Grundy 8:16 (unconfirmed)

After the warm down, the players broke into four drill groups. Two of these groups involved tackling. The groups closest to us was run by Matty Boyd and involved players taking possession and trying to evade tacklers. Emphasis on tackling with shoulders/arms not hands.
Another drill involved a player with the ball running straight at a tackler who held two tennis balls in his hands so as to ensure use of arms/body in the tackle and not the hands. I'd never seen this drill before.
A lot of running today and some sprint work as well.

A few observations:
Cameron continues to impress with his foot skills
Greenwood was on the track. Did straight line running. No turning/evasion
To my eyes, Broomhead still appears to be favouring the injured leg
Kelly appears to be ready for a good full preseason

I left at 11:30 just as rain began falling. Happy to answer any questions.
 
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No, I'd say Apples is correct with those times. He's always diligently noting the clock on TT day.
As noted in my own list, the order beyond Magden wasn't correct.
I placed a bunch of guys in my head as they had come past me a couple of times, but I was about 100m post the start to watch it all.
Wilson must have made up ground, Lynch faded, Howe made up some ground from when they went past me.

As for Rantall's time, yes he was tired and it was cool and blowy today. Not ideal conditions for posting PB's.
Yep, Lynchy was 3rd or 4th after a few laps but faded a bit.
I just double checked the listings and times. I filmed it, so I'm pretty sure they are correct.
 

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Training observations - hail the new time trial king

2km Time Trial at first full training for the season


Rantall (lead the entire run and I am told was a bit tired going in since being drafted recently and the hype)
Phillips (sat on him the entire way and they quickly built a handy gap. Beaten by ~3m in the end. Tried to surge but Rantall kicked)
Sidebottom (maybe 30m behind)
Kelly (maybe further 10-15m further back)
Murphy
Magden

Other participants not in precise order
Lynch (faded but was sitting 3rd in early laps)
Tohill
Pendles
Scharenberg
Thomas
Elliott?
Brown brothers - Tyler ahead of Cal
Howe
De Goey (nice to see him participating)
Sier
Bianco
Cameron
Mihocek
Wilson
Ruscoe
Varcoe
Moore last of the main group

Big gap to Cox

Grundy big gap behind Cox and maybe 8/10 of a lap down on the winners)

Running at a slower pace alternately and not in time trial
Treloar*
Adams
Appleby
Atu
Daicos*
Dunn*
Mayne
Noble*
Maynard (went for a walk around the Tan and surrounds with someone maybe club psych, doc or physio)
Crisp
Wills
Reid*
IQ
Broomy*
Keane
Levi*

*Largely did run throughs and no ball work for the day

Absent altogether
Beams (has been at the club on other occasions)
Langdon
WHE
Stephenson (who has been there this season otherwise)

Other drills and notables in the day
New recruits off early post the time trial for orientation and media stuff
Bit of tackling work
Keepings off/chipping around/transition across field type work
Bit of transition from end to end of a square by handball in traffic work
Crisp/IQ/Appleby did a bit of running and kicking work together with one of the fitness guys
Thought Darcy Cameron was a good kick for his size
Levi doing quite a bit of running. I was surprised how much and the pace he was hitting the laps and run throughs
I thought the turnout by players was good and better than this time last year. Few absent and rehab group seemed pretty active cf last year
I departed at 12pm. 1/3 of the list still going

I chatted to one of the part time recruiters at the club while there.
Some thoughts on the draft from his personal perspective
- He thought both Melbourne's picks were risky at the slots, particularly Pickett. Maybe Dees play Jackson as a mid in time?
- Surprised with Sam Philp at the pick Carlton took him
- He was a big Weightman fan
- McAsey the best KPP in the draft
- Reckons we would have been pretty interested in Worrell and may have tried to trade down to get him. Definite option at either end of the ground.
- Club would have been super surprised to land Bianco, in particular, at the pick we got him. Good skills, decision making and knows where to be
- Rantall lots of upside given last year was his first dedicated football pre-season
- He thought Riccardi was OK, but a few of his 38 goals were Joe the Goose handballs etc (like Josh Jenkins) and not convinced of his competitiveness. Still young

Note that he also said that both Kelly and Murphy largely played up forward in their draft year at School/Chargers/Dragons.
Originally had viewed Murphy as a Tom Lynch (Adelaide) forward type given his height and tank
Thinks Tom Wilson showed a bit in his initial VFL outings. Good kick and quite a good mark, taking it at the peak. Quite a bit to work with
Thanks for that. Without wanting to be too picky on the times given Sidey should have been about 75m behind Phillips. Sounds like Lynch probably burnt himself trying to stay with the 1st 2 and componded in the end. Maybe with a better run trial he is more like 3rd with Sidey based on 2018 results
 

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Training observations - hail the new time trial king

2km Time Trial at first full training for the season


Rantall (lead the entire run and I am told was a bit tired going in since being drafted recently and the hype)
Phillips (sat on him the entire way and they quickly built a handy gap. Beaten by ~3m in the end. Tried to surge but Rantall kicked)
Sidebottom (maybe 30m behind)
Kelly (maybe further 10-15m further back)
Murphy
Magden

Other participants not in precise order
Lynch (faded but was sitting 3rd in early laps)
Tohill
Pendles
Scharenberg
Thomas
Elliott?
Brown brothers - Tyler ahead of Cal
Howe
De Goey (nice to see him participating)
Sier
Bianco
Cameron
Mihocek
Wilson
Ruscoe
Varcoe
Moore last of the main group

Big gap to Cox

Grundy big gap behind Cox and maybe 8/10 of a lap down on the winners)

Running at a slower pace alternately and not in time trial
Treloar*
Adams
Appleby
Atu
Daicos*
Dunn*
Mayne
Noble*
Maynard (went for a walk around the Tan and surrounds with someone maybe club psych, doc or physio)
Crisp
Wills
Reid*
IQ
Broomy*
Keane
Levi*

*Largely did run throughs and no ball work for the day

Absent altogether
Beams (has been at the club on other occasions)
Langdon
WHE
Stephenson (who has been there this season otherwise)

Other drills and notables in the day
New recruits off early post the time trial for orientation and media stuff
Bit of tackling work
Keepings off/chipping around/transition across field type work
Bit of transition from end to end of a square by handball in traffic work
Crisp/IQ/Appleby did a bit of running and kicking work together with one of the fitness guys
Thought Darcy Cameron was a good kick for his size
Levi doing quite a bit of running. I was surprised how much and the pace he was hitting the laps and run throughs
I thought the turnout by players was good and better than this time last year. Few absent and rehab group seemed pretty active cf last year
I departed at 12pm. 1/3 of the list still going

I chatted to one of the part time recruiters at the club while there.
Some thoughts on the draft from his personal perspective
- He thought both Melbourne's picks were risky at the slots, particularly Pickett. Maybe Dees play Jackson as a mid in time?
- Surprised with Sam Philp at the pick Carlton took him
- He was a big Weightman fan
- McAsey the best KPP in the draft
- Reckons we would have been pretty interested in Worrell and may have tried to trade down to get him. Definite option at either end of the ground.
- Club would have been super surprised to land Bianco, in particular, at the pick we got him. Good skills, decision making and knows where to be
- Rantall lots of upside given last year was his first dedicated football pre-season
- He thought Riccardi was OK, but a few of his 38 goals were Joe the Goose handballs etc (like Josh Jenkins) and not convinced of his competitiveness. Still young

Note that he also said that both Kelly and Murphy largely played up forward in their draft year at School/Chargers/Dragons.
Originally had viewed Murphy as a Tom Lynch (Adelaide) forward type given his height and tank
Thinks Tom Wilson showed a bit in his initial VFL outings. Good kick and quite a good mark, taking it at the peak. Quite a bit to work with
Training Report Monday December 2nd 2019
Weather: Cold and windy 11 degrees.
Not Training:
Beams (ill)
Langdon
Stephenson
WHE

It was the first training session for the full list and I suppose the players would prefer a cold day for the time trial, but I can't remember such a cold December day. As we crossed the MCG bridge, the wind almost took us with it.
At 9am the mowers were still at work and there was no sign of club activity.
Into the Glasshouse for a coffee (tepid and not very good) and a long wait. The players began to arrive at 10am and first onto the track was new recruit Tray Ruscoe who was happy to come across and talk to the fans. Sees himself as a utility type. Seems like a very likeable young fellow.

Trent Bianco was out soon after and responded to Lorraine's call to come across. He was happy to chat to the fans and Jen reminded him that we were there to watch his 'debut' a year ago.

Jay Rantall arrived and spent time talking to Bucks on the sidelines. He didn't respond to calls from the fans.

The players began with a warm up and then did stretches before coming over to get organised for the 2km time trial.

Training but not running time trial:
Maynard, C. Brown, Atu B, Quaynor, Mayne, Keane, Adams, Appleby, Broomhead, Treloar, Sier, Greenwood, Noble and Dunn.

I suggested to Jen, who hobbled to training today, that Tom Phillips would lose his crown in the time trial to new boy Rantall, and that's exactly what happened. Rantall and Phillips took off to lead from the river end. At 500 metres it was Rantall by a metre from Phillips and that's the way it stayed until the last lap. On the AAMI wing, Rantall put the foot down and looked to be coasting away. He got to a handy 10 metre lead as they neared the northern goals, but Phillips applied the pressure. At the turn Rantall held his ground in the last 100 metre sprint and won by 12-15 metres.

Finishing order and times:
1. Jay Rantall 6:04

2. Tom Phillips 6:06
3. Sidebottom 6:21
4. Kelly 6:26
5. Murphy 6:29
6. Wilson 6:34
7. Madgen 6:35
8. Howe 6:36
9. Lynch 6:36
10. Tohill 6:37

11. Crisp 6:38
12. Wills 6:44
13. Roughead 6:45
14. Trent Bianco 6:47
15. Sharenberg 6:48
16. Elliott 6:50
17. Mihocek 6:51
18. DeGoey 6:51:05
19. Tyler Brown 6:52
20. Pendlebury 6:53
21. Thomas 6:54
22. Tray Ruscoe 6:59

23. Varcoe 7:03
24. Darcy Cameron 7:04
25. Moore 7:12
26. Cox 7:18
27. Grundy 8:16 (unconfirmed)

After the warm down, the players broke into four drill groups. Two of these groups involved tackling. The groups closest to us was run by Matty Boyd and involved players taking possession and trying to evade tacklers. Emphasis on tackling with shoulders/arms not hands.
Another drill involved a player with the ball running straight at a tackler who held two tennis balls in his hands so as to ensure use of arms/body in the tackle and not the hands. I'd never seen this drill before.
A lot of running today and some sprint work as well.

A few observations:
Cameron continues to impress with his foot skills
Greenwood was on the track. Did straight line running. No turning/evasion
To my eyes, Broomhead still appears to be favouring the injured leg
Kelly appears to be ready for a good full preseason

I left at 11:30 just as rain began falling. Happy to answer any questions.
Thanks for the fantastic reports you two.

One query. Albert you have Sier finishing mid field and Apples you have no mention of him

One of the things that gave me optimism for Sier at the start of 2019 was the major improvement he made in his 2k TT from prev seasons. Also had a look at Apples reports from that time and in photos Sier looked in great nick at the start of last pre season. Clearly he slipped afte that. Was wondering how you saw him today or in Apples case if you saw him.

Cheers
 

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