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I’m not a large arber and am happy to make my $200 or so a week as a uni student for a bit of extra cash. Should I take it slow to avoid getting banned or take them for as much as possible while I can?
It really doesn't matter how much you bet, if all your bets are arbs/bonus related then it's not going to take long to be caught.
Arbers/bonus whores get worse treatment then someone who actually has an idea, because they offer absolutely zero.

Fairly sure bonuses are being phased out this year too due to POC tax
 

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It really doesn't matter how much you bet, if all your bets are arbs/bonus related then it's not going to take long to be caught.
Arbers/bonus whores get worse treatment then someone who actually has an idea, because they offer absolutely zero.

Fairly sure bonuses are being phased out this year too due to POC tax
I still have a regular punt though. Would betting the occasional mug $10 bet on the greyhounds or whatever decrease how long it takes to get banned
 

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It really doesn't matter how much you bet, if all your bets are arbs/bonus related then it's not going to take long to be caught.
Arbers/bonus whores get worse treatment then someone who actually has an idea, because they offer absolutely zero.

Fairly sure bonuses are being phased out this year too due to POC tax
How do they know you are arbing though? Like if you bet with two different companies and bet whole numbers how can they actually tell that it is an arb bet?
 
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How do they know you are arbing though? Like if you bet with two different companies and bet whole numbers how can they actually tell that it is an arb bet?
if not doing odd staking then fair chance both the books don't know, but one book is going to be the wrong price compared to the market more often than not. Also your stakes on arbs/middles should be a fair bit bigger than your other bets if you do them
 

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I don't friggin understand bookies that ban you for that.

If they aren't prepared to take the hit, don't offer the odds.

It's a joke what they can get away with these days. Banning customers, reducing odds, limiting bets to $2....
 

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How do they know you are arbing though? Like if you bet with two different companies and bet whole numbers how can they actually tell that it is an arb bet?
Not my area of expertise but at a guess

- Always taking top odds
- Always betting specific markets
- Betting unusual markets such as 3rd division Belgian lacrosse
- Betting odd amounts
- Betting max amount
- Consistently betting player props
- Irregular betting patterns
- Betting consistently into promo markets
 

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Might do that then. Bet $50 or so on a greyhound then lay off and take a small loss every so often
Opinions obviously differ, but I haven't found this to consistently increase the shelf life of accounts at all.
Just eats into profits while you are still able to bet on promos.

It isn't going to make much difference to a bookie if say 8/10 bets are on promos compared to 9/10.

What I would recommend is taking promos for everything that you can, before you turn to Arbing.

Arbing will kill an account a lot quicker than abusing $50 promotions.

Everyone obviously has a different opinion though.
 

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How do they know you are arbing though? Like if you bet with two different companies and bet whole numbers how can they actually tell that it is an arb bet?
Depends on what you're arbing on.

If you bet decent money on player props or exotic markets you will get limited eventually, unless you're a complete money sink.

Obviously the more exotic the market, the less bets and therefore the easier it is to pick up unusual betting patterns.

And as mentioned, for an Arb to exist it means one book is offering top odds, taking those odds regardless of an Arb will get you limited eventually.
 

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Opinions obviously differ, but I haven't found this to consistently increase the shelf life of accounts at all.
Just eats into profits while you are still able to bet on promos.

It isn't going to make much difference to a bookie if say 8/10 bets are on promos compared to 9/10.

What I would recommend is taking promos for everything that you can, before you turn to Arbing.

Arbing will kill an account a lot quicker than abusing $50 promotions.

Everyone obviously has a different opinion though.
What promos do you abuse though? Are you referring to odd boosts or other things also
 

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What promos do you abuse though? Are you referring to odd boosts or other things also
they will do regular checks and work out for example what % of your bets are into promotional markets (money back, odds boost whatever).

if this % is high they may warn you or simply ban you from promotions (ubet and tab are particularly bad for this and ban without warning).

if you're regularly beating their benchmark prices in non-promo they'll just limit you to win some miniscule sum.

tab touch for example will let me on to win $5.50 in player prop markets.

if you want to mugbet do it on horse racing, tennis or soccer where there is much lower spreads than the dishlickers.
 

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they will do regular checks and work out for example what % of your bets are into promotional markets (money back, odds boost whatever).

if this % is high they may warn you or simply ban you from promotions (ubet and tab are particularly bad for this and ban without warning).

if you're regularly beating their benchmark prices in non-promo they'll just limit you to win some miniscule sum.

tab touch for example will let me on to win $5.50 in player prop markets.

if you want to mugbet do it on horse racing, tennis or soccer where there is much lower spreads than the dishlickers.
I might do some mug betting on Sportsbet soon as I have won to much on that arb side in a short period
 

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What promos do you abuse though? Are you referring to odd boosts or other things also
Odds boost is the most straightforward
The other main one people abuse are the money back 2nd/3rd promos.
Back/Lay closest matched horse at betfair = Profit over time without having to know anything about racing.

Throughout the year there are several sports promos that are easily abused, e.g. Chase the Ace.

The simple reality is that the vast majority of punters will lose money and those who do make a profit will have very small niches that they can beat the market at. Those same punters are going to be limited at corporate bookies anyway, so my view is to take the free money while you can.
 

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Del Potro v Kachinov in the Tennis.

Khachanov paying $3.20 on BF head to head to LAY.
Back price to win 3-2 sets (effectively the same thing) is $3.50.
 

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Very small arb on Total Match Sixes in Melb/Syd game tonight

Ned’s - 10+ $2.20
Crown - Under 9.5 $1.88

Mostly using this to get my turnover up on Crown, not going to get rich
 

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Couple of certain money makers on NEDS tonight

1.) Bonus bet up to $20 in race 7 at Ballarat if your horse doesn't win.

Pick a horse you think won't win on neds. Make sure it has some liquidity on betfair and lay it on betfair (number 8 LennyTheShark is probably the go)

Get your bonus bet and turn it into guaranteed cash by backing another horse tomorrow or whenever, and laying it (like you should be doing with all your bonus bets)

2.) Back a winner race 8 Greyhounds Wentworth park and get a bonus bet.

Pick the favourite, lay it on betfair. At worst break even. At best, it wins, and you get a bonus bet too.
 
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