Archer V Neitz

[mark73]

Fair dinkum, the quicker your rabble of a side piss off to the Gold coast or just fold the better.

Er, well your mob had about 40 more members than us last year and are selling home games in Canberra (remember? our old stomping ground?) to make more money. If you wanna throw mud champ, make sure it's the wet kind that sticks and not the mud that flies back in your face.

 

[The Flash]

So your telling me that if Carey didnt play for your mob, then you would have won these 2 premierships? I dont think so. Yes the players that you mention were very good, but Carey was the ultimate difference.
As someone stated in an earlier post, the 2 years Carey was injured for the majority of the season, you still made the prelim. But if Carey was fit all year, you would have won. See the difference?
Carey was the difference between North being a good finals side and a premiership side.

 

[The Flash]

Er, well your mob had about 40 more members than us last year and are selling home games in Canberra (remember? our old stomping ground?) to make more money. If you wanna throw mud champ, make sure it's the wet kind that sticks and not the mud that flies back in your face.

But weve been in profit for the last couple of years, have you?
The problem that we have is that something like 30-40% of mcc members are also demon supporters. If they signed up as demon supporters then we would be possibly double what we currently are if not more. Our president is also head of one of the biggest marketing companies in the world, which is a bonus.
So much upside for melbourne, none for the pathetic kangaroos.

 

[mark73]

Carey was the difference between North being a good finals side and a premiership side.

No he wasn't, not in our premiership years. Unless it was his sheer presence that scared the opposition off. In 1996 it was McKernan and Crocker who dominated in the prelim to get us in the GF and in 1999 it was David King and Shannon Grant. In the 1996 GF Archer was best on ground and in 1999 it was Shannon Grant and could've quite easily been Peter Bell. In fact Carey's finals performances bar the one against Geelong in 1994 and Geelong again in 1997 were actually nothing to write home about. As I said, show a bit of respect where it's due.

 

[mark73]

But weve been in profit for the last couple of years, have you?
The problem that we have is that something like 30-40% of mcc members are also demon supporters. If they signed up as demon supporters then we would be possibly double what we currently are if not more.

I don't give a bugger about the semantics, ie the reasons, was just stating a few facts.

Our president is also head of one of the biggest marketing companies in the world, which is a bonus.

Yeah if he empties his pockets which he obviously isn't hence the selling of games interstate.

So much upside for melbourne, none for the pathetic kangaroos.

What upside? On field I don't see anymore upside in the coming years in fact this year I think you'll struggle to beat the Kangaroos and financially you're selling home games and on the AFL drip system like the Roos and Dogs. Lay off the grog son.

 

[The Flash]

No he wasn't, not in our premiership years. Unless it was his sheer presence that scared the opposition off. In 1996 it was McKernan and Crocker who dominated in the prelim to get us in the GF and in 1999 it was David King and Shannon Grant. In the 1996 GF Archer was best on ground and in 1999 it was Shannon Grant and could've quite easily been Peter Bell. In fact Carey's finals performances bar the one against Geelong in 1994 and Geelong again in 1997 were actually nothing to write home about. As I said, show a bit of respect where it's due.

Well well well, considering Neitz wasnt regarded as a good forward by one of your fellow supporters BEFORE I made these statements, dont go telling me to show some respect. Im not talking about 1 game, Im talking about the entire year. If Carey wasnt there, then you wouldnt have been in the position to play in grand finals, you would have just been scraping into the finals.

 

[mark73]

Well well well, considering Neitz wasnt regarded as a good forward by one of your fellow supporters BEFORE I made these statements,

I wasn't aware that I spoke for anyone other than myself.

Im not talking about 1 game, Im talking about the entire year. If Carey wasnt there, then you wouldnt have been in the position to play in grand finals, you would have just been scraping into the finals.

Really? I wasn't aware that he tapped the ball out to himself ran down the ground and slotted goals 20 times a match. My he was a super start wasn't he.

 

[windsock]

In fact Carey's finals performances bar the one against Geelong in 1994 and Geelong again in 1997 were actually nothing to write home about.

Off the top of my head:
Hawthorn 1994
Richmond 1995
GF 1996
Port Adelaide 1999
I'd say Carey was in the top 3 players on the gound. That's with approximately 30 seconds of thinkking about it.

I for one reckon we may not have been in the best couple of teams in 1999 without the Duck, forgetting for a moment his quiet GF (you have to get there first, remember). 1996 we had a very good team with one other superstar at close to his best (Corey), so we may have been a little closer to the mark even without the great man.

Mark, I'm not quite sure why you have to denigrate Neitz to get across your opinion that Glenn Archer was the better player. Neitz is a wonderful player, but I think Archie is better. There is no disgrace in that.

 

[The Flash]

Lay off the grog?
We wont beat the pathetic kangaroos even though alot of people on these forums predict Melbourne to finish top 4, and our younger players are showing so much, ie- Mclean, Bate, Jones, Bartram, Davey, Rivers, Dunn, Moloney, Sylvia, Bell, Johnson x 2, Jamar, and none of these players are in their prime yet.
No upside, you dont have a clue.

 

[mark73]

Mark, I'm not quite sure why you have to denigrate Neitz to get across your opinion that Glenn Archer was the better player. Neitz is a wonderful player, but I think Archie is better. There is no disgrace in that.

Denigrate Neitz?

Who's denigrating Neitz. Read the thread and you'll find I called him a great player. In fact I said he was champion. I'm not sure how thats denigrating someone.

 

[The Flash]

I wasn't aware that I spoke for anyone other than myself.
Really? I wasn't aware that he tapped the ball out to himself ran down the ground and slotted goals 20 times a match. My he was a super start wasn't he.

I was responding to you having a dig at me saying that I was disrespectful, and it was a cause of a fellow supporter of yours. So you can say what ever you like, but I cant respond?
Sorry tosser, who died and made you god?

 

[rick James]

Carey would have smashed Archer though, so saying that he beat Neitz as a reason as to why Archer is better than Neitz is just idiotic.

Archer has done wonders with his media profile the last five or so years, he has really built himself up a nice image, which is amazing consdiering he was often thought of as a dog player in his earlier years.

Definitely the toughest player I've seen apart from Leigh Colbert (who doesn't get anywhere near the recognition he deserves for his toughness) and one of the great characters of the game, even though he acts dumber than he is in interviews and such as part of the 'Arch the knockabout bloke' persona.

Neitz has been both the best CHB in the comp and the best FF in the comp at different points over his career.

He is still able to kick 70 odd goals a year in spite of the fact he's been playing crash and bash football since he was 18. A couple of blokes I know who have played AFL reckon he's one of the strongest guys they've ever seen and is absolutely terrifying to play against or near.

In fact, Glenn Archer himself said that. You know Neitz has an influence when a guy as tough as Archer even admits he gets scared of playing in the same vicinity.

Whilst a handful of players are physically stronger than Neitz, there is probably nobody in the comp as good at using his strength as the Demons captain.

He is Melbourne's all time leading goal kicker even though he played half his career at CHB. He's captained more games for the Demons than anyone else and will probably be our first 300-gamer.

Regardless, both will be remembered as truly great club champions. And both are on the cusp of being remembered as league champions. Though I doubt either of them will be remembered as such in the long run (unless Neitz captains teh Demons to a premiership, which is his destiny imo).

But to sum it up, Neitz makes more of an impact on a match, from 2001-2004 he was basically triple teamed by the oppositions defence and he still managed to win a coleman in that time. His physical presence is not to be underestimated either and he's certainly had a fair share of match winning performances.

I must say though, it's a bastard of a poll for North and Demons fans, cause these are probably two of the most loved players from their respective clubs of all time and trying to look at the comparison objectively will be a struggle for most posters I imagine.

 

[rick James]

Surely not.....Jakovich used to have the better of him everytime

Myth.

Carey said Neitz was physically the strongest player he ever played on - that doesn't mean he was the opponent that gave Carey the most trouble.

Keep in mind, the Neitz playing against Carey was about 20 kg's lighter than the Neitz of today as well.

 

[mark73]

Lay off the grog?
We wont beat the pathetic kangaroos even though alot of people on these forums predict Melbourne to finish top 4,

Hahahaha GOD HELP US!! Well if you're going by the BF logic I'm happy (and alarmed) for you.

and our younger players are showing so much, ie- Mclean, Bate, Jones, Bartram, Davey, Rivers, Dunn, Moloney, Sylvia, Bell, Johnson x 2, Jamar, and none of these players are in their prime yet.

What, you don't think other clubs have promising young players? If I wanted to play that game I could throw up Riggio, Moran, Swallow, McConnell, Wells, Trotter, McIntosh, Grima, Smith, Gibson and Hale who are also not in their prime yet. Y'see playing that game is easy.

No upside, you dont have a clue.

I didn't say no upside, you really should read the posts thoroughly first.

 

[The Flash]

Great post RJ, youve suprised me. We all have our opinions, are naturally are biased towards our own club. Im leaving it at that.

 

[mark73]

I was responding to you having a dig at me saying that I was disrespectful, and it was a cause of a fellow supporter of yours. So you can say what ever you like, but I cant respond?

Gee you're not very together today are you. Maybe next time before you barge into a thread beating your chest and shooting blanks you should read posts a little more carefully.

Sorry tosser, who died and made you god?

Please, I hurt easily.

 

[The Flash]

Hahahaha GOD HELP US!! Well if you're going by the BF logic I'm happy (and alarmed) for you.What, you don't think other clubs have promising young players? If I wanted to play that game I could throw up Riggio, Moran, Swallow, McConnell, Wells, Trotter, McIntosh, Grima, Smith, Gibson and Hale who are also not in their prime yet. Y'see playing that game is easy.

I didn't say no upside, you really should read the posts thoroughly first.

Its not just BF, the experts predict kangas bottom 4, and us possible top 4, look at the odds and see where each side sits. Our youth will be better than yours, if your still around.

 

[JerryWexler]

Its not just BF, the experts predict kangas bottom 4, and us possible top 4, look at the odds and see where each side sits. Our youth will be better than yours, if your still around.

Not that this has anything to do with me but the Kangas are tipped by the "experts" to finish bottom every year. If I'm not mistaken, not one of these "experts" is yet to be proven right. As for Kangas/Melb youngsters, I think the talent gulf is a bit closer than you think and they definitely have some great young talent as do Melbourne.

 

[The Flash]

Gee you're not very together today are you. Maybe next time before you barge into a thread beating your chest and shooting blanks you should read posts a little more carefully.

Please, I hurt easily.

You read through the posts. Kings Army - Neitz has not accomplished anything.
Kings Army - All good forwards get there team over the line, how did Neitz go in 2000.
And thats not disrespecting Neita?
I never said that your other players were useless, nor did I say this about Archer, but can you really tell me that if Carey (1 of the best players I have ever seen) did not play for NMFC they would have been as good as what they were.
Seriously think about it, or better still lets do a poll and get the non biased view on the matter.

 

[windsock]

Denigrate Neitz?

Who's denigrating Neitz. Read the thread and you'll find I called him a great player. In fact I said he was champion. I'm not sure how thats denigrating someone.

Damn right. Apologies Mark. Slip of the keyboard.

I meant Kings Army.

 

[The Flash]

I don't give a bugger about the semantics, ie the reasons, was just stating a few facts. Yeah if he empties his pockets which he obviously isn't hence the selling of games interstate.

What upside? On field I don't see anymore upside in the coming years in fact this year I think you'll struggle to beat the Kangaroos and financially you're selling home games and on the AFL drip system like the Roos and Dogs. Lay off the grog son.

You still think you didnt say this?
This is your words.
Gotchya

 

[jacko57]

But weve been in profit for the last couple of years, have you?
The problem that we have is that something like 30-40% of mcc members are also demon supporters. If they signed up as demon supporters then we would be possibly double what we currently are if not more. Our president is also head of one of the biggest marketing companies in the world, which is a bonus.
So much upside for melbourne, none for the pathetic kangaroos.

So your fan base include thousands of tossers who 'support' MFC but won't buy a membership.............and you're boasting about that ?

 

[jacko57]

Archer has done wonders with his media profile the last five or so years, he has really built himself up a nice image, which is amazing consdiering he was often thought of as a dog player in his earlier years.

A dog player ????????????

 

[mark73]

You still think you didnt say this?
This is your words.

Oh so Melbourne aren't on the drip system and aren't selling games interstate? And like I said, Melbourne have talented youngsters to look forward to, but so do we, so do other clubs. So again, what upside do you have thats better than ours? You didn't get that was what I was saying? It must be a slow day or something.

Gotchya

I think the word you might be looking for is "Gotcha", minus the Y.

 

[The Flash]

I didn't say no upside, you really should read the posts thoroughly first.

You said we dont have any upside, then you say that you didnt say it, now your saying Melbourne have talented youngsters to look forward to, but so do we, so do other clubs. So again, what upside do you have thats better than ours?
Make up your mind.
Do we have upside,
Dont we have upside,
Or do we have as much upside as the kangas?
And thats pretty petty to have a go at me over 1 Y.
Big deal.