Are North Being Too Impatient With Their Rebuild?

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I'm going to town on you as the OP and for your erroneous comments.

Unless they show significant improvement, good players are going to bypass them and they'll stay a mediocre team.
I can only assume you're speaking from experience and concerned we'll follow the Blues path, in relation to years of mediocrity and failing to improve? Thanks, but we actually have experience in doing rebuilds, despite GC and GWS picking the eyes out of drafts, and even if we didn't quite make it to the top.

They've still got a lot of players to cycle out of their current team, which will mean some big gaps in their list in years to come.
Which ones? Are you aware of those who are likely to replace them, or don't believe there are any?

Thompson? (one more year?) Ed Vickers-Willis and Nielson Hibberd also.
Hansen? (gone) Durdin
Tarrant? (a few years yet). Nielson, Watson or McKay if not KPF.
Swallow? (one more year or traded) Dumont or 2017 pick 4.
Waite? (one more year or delisted). Freak player when fit. Irreplaceable in 'like for like' terms. Wood or McKay.
Gibson? (one more year) Josh Williams and/or Atley/Macmillan move from HB to wing.
Goldstein? (keep or trade). Preuss, with Daw as back up.
Higgins? (4 more years) Irrelevant for now.
Thomas? (one more year or trade). Turner and Garner already offer what LT did, with more pressure and flexibility.

It makes sense to lure some big names, but they are offering some huge contracts and still being rejected.
Which never happens to other teams. We went for two players who ended up having stellar seasons, even by their standards.

It makes sense in the current situation, but it'll be troubling in a few years when they should be making a push up the ladder.
So, it did make sense for us to do it, but now that two high profile (two of the best three players in the competition this year) rejected our offer, you anticipate we'll never be successful again at luring players? The smart posters are suggesting that, if anything, we may have gone a bit early with this, and will be better placed to lure players when we're on the rise, with more accompanying talent on our books, courtesy of rare high draft picks over the next year or so.

Even when they were a decent mid-table team they struggled to attract talent and mostly went after older players looking for a big final contract.
Who did we try, and fail to attract, when we were a 'decent mid-table' team? Are you conflating 'decent mid-table team' (2009-2013) with those that made PFs (2014-15 and first half of 2016)? Dal and Waite helped us to PFs, and hardly untalented. Higgins was 26 and just won our B&F.

Still haven't shown they can produce elite talent, apart from a few guns, but to be fair they haven't had the luxury of early selections.
Re-read the last half of that sentence. At the same time, consider that Goldstein and Brown, to name two off the top of my head, weren't early selections and are or have been elite talent. Cunnington, or doesn't he count because he was an early selection?

North are a bottom 4 team, currently the least attractive Victorian club and only just beginning a rebuild.
Attractiveness is an assessment, not fact. I'd put Saints, GC, Freo as less attractive personally and on par with Carlton who have little to show for supposedly being ahead in a rebuild.

Okay, after saturating this page with my posts, I'll bugger off and leave pages of crap, no doubt, unread.
 

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You can trade certain types out but you must keep a core senior group to run training and drive standards at the club. Tipping out all our senior blokes cause a drop in professionalism and training standards that took nearly a decade to fix
All the limiting players and worst kicks in the side are senior players.

This isn't a case of leaving the younger guys high and dry, it's a case of freeing the list from culture killers and standard killers...Thomas, Gibson, Swallow... down to VFL cloggers...Anderson, Daw.

There's no point in keeping selfish/plodder/passed it senior players.

As much as our culture has been destroyed under Scott, they still have a way to fall to get to Demon levels of depth. Some of the older players are actually a bad influence and keep standards/leadership mediocre.
 
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That's the balance then isn't it? keeping the right ones.
It's strange having a coach that generally spruiks the right words but goes ahead and stubbornly does the opposite most of the time.

There's no right balance when it comes to auto-select Gibson-Thomas-Swallow.

Waite is super in theory but amounts to mediocrity over a season.

The only way out is to land a few Top shelf midfielders or start again with a coach that can have honest conversations and know standards are important.

The next few years will amount to filler. An overpaid, time-poor coach with very small children and a gameplan that's 100% focused on popularity, pecking order, stability and competetiveness.

We are in the twilight zone of having a full time caretaker coach.
 

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Yes.Ridiculously so. A shit list which they are rushing to repair.

But what is wrong with that? Far better to get competitive ASAP than start an endless 5 year plan.
 

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Yes.Ridiculously so. A shit list which they are rushing to repair.

But what is wrong with that? Far better to get competitive ASAP than start an endless 5 year plan.
The list isn't too bad when you trim away the cloggers.

It's the limited management and coaching that takes 'development' or 'motivation' off the table.

They missed the boat as the coaching department and cloggers needed to go this year if they didn't land the supermodels.

Back to taking whatever they can get and making up the numbers under Scott.
 

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I'm going to town on you as the OP and for your erroneous comments.


I can only assume you're speaking from experience and concerned we'll follow the Blues path, in relation to years of mediocrity and failing to improve? Thanks, but we actually have experience in doing rebuilds, despite GC and GWS picking the eyes out of drafts, and even if we didn't quite make it to the top.


Which ones? Are you aware of those who are likely to replace them, or don't believe there are any?

Thompson? (one more year?) Ed Vickers-Willis and Nielson Hibberd also.
Hansen? (gone) Durdin
Tarrant? (a few years yet). Nielson, Watson or McKay if not KPF.
Swallow? (one more year or traded) Dumont or 2017 pick 4.
Waite? (one more year or delisted). Freak player when fit. Irreplaceable in 'like for like' terms. Wood or McKay.
Gibson? (one more year) Josh Williams and/or Atley/Macmillan move from HB to wing.
Goldstein? (keep or trade). Preuss, with Daw as back up.
Higgins? (4 more years) Irrelevant for now.
Thomas? (one more year or trade). Turner and Garner already offer what LT did, with more pressure and flexibility.

Attractiveness is an assessment, not fact. I'd put Saints, GC, Freo as less attractive personally and on par with Carlton who have little to show for supposedly being ahead in a rebuild.
Wow with all that impressive talent sitting on the VFL just waiting for Brad to play them you must've had an amazing VFL team.

*looks at VFL ladder*

Third last
 

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North are facing the ongoing frustration of not being able to recruit a big name no matter what they offer, Freo has had similar problems through the years.

A sprinkling of clubs have been 'destination clubs' in Victoria and some Interstaters do well targeting kids to come home.

North have always been good at getting the best out of their talent being a regular finalist.

I think they dodged a bullet this year, what they would have played for Dusty would have tied up their list and trading for years. Wanting to pay a fortune to Kelly too was reckless and would have given the same results. Kelly is one of about 8 blokes at GWS worth a million plus.

Do what you have done so well in the past North, rebuild ... keep money in the war chest and push back up the ladder and try make yourself one of those destination clubs like Collingwood, Hawthorn and Geelong.
 

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Wow with all that impressive talent sitting on the VFL just waiting for Brad to play them you must've had an amazing VFL team.

*looks at VFL ladder*

Third last
It is a concern. The injuries are similar to the colliwobbles where Scott formed his reputation.

You can take it to the bank that any coach sphinctered by Collingwood will disgrace your club.
 

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As somewhat said, theres nothing wrong with going after Kelly and Martin, either would be huge helps to their future.
Always unlikely to get them though and will likely be forced down the usual draft path.
Nothing wrong with having a go at uncontracted players.

The joke is all the North fans and their absolute certainty that they had those players on board. How many times must a group be wrong before they become a laughing stock with no credibility?
 

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Nothing wrong with having a go at uncontracted players.

The joke is all the North fans and their absolute certainty that they had those players on board. How many times must a group be wrong before they become a laughing stock with no credibility?
Settle down mate. You're talking about a small minority of supporters.

Snakebaker between padded cell sessions is not representative of North.

Even some of the North mods are loopy so can see how your bf life is twisted.
 

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Settle down mate. You're talking about a small minority of supporters.

Snakebaker between padded cell sessions is not representative of North.

Even some of the North mods are loopy so can see how your bf life is twisted.
There aren't a hell of a lot of North posters, so when a number of the more prolific among them routinely post absolute crap (and on your board, they had plenty of support), I'm not sure 'small minority' really applies.
 

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There aren't a hell of a lot of North posters, so when a number of the more prolific among them routinely post absolute crap (and on your board, they had plenty of support), I'm not sure 'small minority' really applies.
Ah yes, judge a football club because a short middle aged man from the burbs has 20 accounts and 40,000 posts over a decade.

They aren't all tef/snake/Wally/Mario etc.

But yes. It's easy to hate north supporters on Bf. Some major knobs.. Darwinroo a real liability.
 

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Can you be more specific about our shocking list and the problems all over the park?

Perhaps you could try some, you know, analysis? See below...
I think a lot of the North list lack poise, and are too slow. North have some extremely good inside mids, but their running mids leave a lot to be desired. Yeah, Dusty or Kelly would help but I feel they need a lot more than that.
 

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Ah yes, judge a football club because a short middle aged man from the burbs has 20 accounts and 40,000 posts over a decade.

They aren't all tef/snake/Wally/Mario etc.

But yes. It's easy to hate north supporters on Bf. Some major knobs.. Darwinroo a real liability.
I know there are good ones, and there are certainly 'good' North supporters in real life (some I even consider friends). I also have a soft sport for the club (childhood friend growing up was a fan) and admire their resilience.

But when it comes to BF, the vast majority of the North posters (when weighted for the frequency I encounter them) are massive flogs. So while I concede that it's unfair on the rest of you, when I see North in a BF poster's preferred club, I just assume they're an idiot.
 

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people are forgetting north lost heaps of close ones this year ... they aren't as bad we their win-loss record suggests.
Very competitive for the most part.
Admittedly the youngers players tired towards the end of the season.
Hence some big losses to Port, Collingwood, etc.
 

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North are inept off the field and are terrible on it - so OP I think you have a valid point. Not that anything less could be expected of this club! Getting rid of pokies their only positive move of the last twenty years.


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North are inept off the field and are terrible on it - so OP I think you have a valid point. Not that anything less could be expected of this club! Getting rid of pokies their only positive move of the last twenty years.


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Id suggest we are pretty smart operators off field.
In 2007 we only had membership in the 20,000 in recent years we have improved in this every year.
Now we have around 40,000 members.

No pokies but also basically debt free.
Smart managment of cap space.
Nice facilities.
 

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Backline is set

Williams, Tarrant/McKay, Vickers-Willis
MacMillan, Neilsen, Hibberd


Rucks are set

Preuss

Majority of the forward line is set

Garner, Wood, Hrovat
Ziebell, Brown, Turner


One existing elite midfielder

Cunnington

One future elite midfielder

Simpkin

Good supplemental midfielders

Jacobs, McDonald, Atley, Clarke, Dumont

We need 3-4 players.

Pick up LDU/Dow/Stephenson this year
Pick up Rankine next year

Pad this out with a couple of RFA/UFA players

We're playing finals again in 2019.
 
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I was actually at the recruiting meeting at the beginning of the season. We discussed not going after the best players available so that we wouldn’t look bad on Bigfooty posts.

But we decided against it, because we’re a ******* football club, And not the stupidity of a poster trying to make a point.

Please suggest what we should’ve done?
 
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