Are the Abletts a worldwide phenomenon?

[Proper Gander]

Rocky Johnson aka Sweet Ebony Diamond -
WWE Hall of Famer, Member of "The Soul Patrol" (first black WWF Tag Team Champions) with Tony Atlas. Countless NWA titles.

Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock -
2 x WCW Champion
8 x WWE Champion
2 x WWF Intercontinental Champion
5 x WWF Tag Team Champion
Also the highest paid actor in the world, a NY Times number 1 best selling author, philanthropist, producer, and straight up ******* legend.

The Ablett's can get f’ed.

 

[ferrisb]

Ablett Jnr was a great player at Geelong between 2007 and 2010. 4 years. Unfortunately that is not a long enough period to win me over.

He stuffed up his legacy by going to GC where any champion could play selfishly and be fed stats. If he stayed at the Cats he could have turned out to be one of the best players of all time.

But who knows.

Hawthorn was a great team between 2008 and 2016.

Unfortunately they stuffed up their legacy by their fans being absolutely obsessed with Geelong and often all-round arrogant knobs.

But who knows.

 

[Back One Out]

How can the Abletts be a “worldwide phenomenon” for playing a domestic sport followed by a few million people in the southern states of Australia?

If the thread premise is to name father and sons who dominated their chosen sport, then look no further than the O’Toole family who have dominated woodchopping since WW2

Jack O’Toole won 26 world championships (12 overhand and 14 underhand)

His sons both won world titles: Martin O’Toole (1) and Laurence O’Toole (4)

His grandson, Laurence O’Toole jnr has won 8 world titles since 2008

Speaking of o’tools, Bunk Moreland is a worldwide phenomenon for making dumb threads

 

[Bunk Moreland]

its not a phenomenon.

Sports like Soccer, Basketball, Gridiron, Tennis, Boxing, Formula 1, Ice Hockey, Golf etc have far bigger followings and practitioners than AFL that the probability of a father-son all time great combo is more unlikely by the sheer number of additional practitioners (amateur + professional).

Essentially there is far more competition.

Assuming there is 500,000 aussie rules participants, the probability of a father-son both being top 10 players of all time=

10/500,000 * 10/500,000 = 0.000000004%

Assuming there is 200 million soccer participants, the probability of a father-son both being top 10 players of all time =

10/200,000,000 * 10/200,000,000 = 0.000000000000025%

If those sports were practiced and viewed by a similar number of people as the AFL, there is every chance there will be father-son all time great combos.

Odds of 0.000000004% is pretty freakin amazing.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Steve Rogers and Matt Rogers across Rugby and Rugby League.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Has it even happened with Racehorses ? Cant think of any ATGs that were direct descendants.

Considering the males have 1000s of kids all to mothers that race and they all go into horse racing and there's so much less variables in a horses life, it just shows how overated the both good father-son odds are.

Man o' War and War Admiral

 

[Sttew]

How can the Abletts be a “worldwide phenomenon” for playing a domestic sport followed by a few million people in the southern states of Australia?

If the thread premise is to name father and sons who dominated their chosen sport, then look no further than the O’Toole family who have dominated woodchopping since WW2

Jack O’Toole won 26 world championships (12 overhand and 14 underhand)

His sons both won world titles: Martin O’Toole (1) and Laurence O’Toole (4)

His grandson, Laurence O’Toole jnr has won 8 world titles since 2008

Speaking of o’tools, Bunk Moreland is a worldwide phenomenon for making dumb threads

You don’t get it. The OP speaks of a “worldwide phenomenon” only in the context of asking whether anything like two GOAT has occurred anywhere else in the world. It matters not how insignificant Australian Rules ison the world stage.

The O’Tooles are a good example but if you are saying Australian Rules is a tiny sport I wonder how many people participate and follow woodchopping?

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Rocky Johnson aka Sweet Ebony Diamond -
WWE Hall of Famer, Member of "The Soul Patrol" (first black WWF Tag Team Champions) with Tony Atlas. Countless NWA titles.

Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock -
2 x WCW Champion
8 x WWE Champion
2 x WWF Intercontinental Champion
5 x WWF Tag Team Champion
Also the highest paid actor in the world, a NY Times number 1 best selling author, philanthropist, producer, and straight up ******* legend.

The Ablett's can get f’ed.

So not much has changed, just a different type of acting The Rock does these days.

 

[Back One Out]

You don’t get it. The OP speaks of a “worldwide phenomenon” only in the context of asking whether anything like two GOAT has occurred anywhere else in the world. It matters not how insignificant Australian Rules ison the world stage.

Neither Gary senior nor Gary junior are the GOAT of Australian football. They're up there in people's top 10's. I've seen Ablett snr ranked as high as number 5, but most good judges have Matthews, Carey and Lockett in front of him. And that's just the last 50 years. Many old-timers and historians would have one or two of Bunton, Farmer, Reynolds, Skilton, Hudson and Coleman in front of him.

Ablett snr never won the Brownlow or premiership. He won only 1 club best and fairest. Lockett, Coventry, Dunstall and Wade all kicked more goals. Ablett snr's 100 Brownlow votes also has him well behind the career totals of his contemporaries: Lockett, Dunstall and Carey. So on what grounds is he the GOAT? His highlight reel? Really, it's only the biased Geelong folks who consider him to be the GOAT.

Ablett jnr probably has a better case to be considered the pre-eminent player of his era, but he'd be splitting votes with Franklin, Judd, Riewoldt, Voss, Martin, Fyfe and Dangerfield.

The O’Tooles are a good example but if you are saying Australian Rules is a tiny sport I wonder how many people participate and follow woodchopping?

Yeah, that was my point. Woodchopping is a minor sport with limited participants. It's insignificant when compared to AFL footy. The same way AFL footy is insignificant compared to most world sports and American sports leagues. Ablett snr and jnr are dominant figures in our code, but it's not the same as father-son duos in the NFL where they have more than 10 times the population. If the AFL's best footballers had to step up to another level on the international or American stage, then it's doubtful they would be superstars. More likely they would be recognised as "very good players".

A more accurate comparison numbers-wise would be father-son duos at regional collegiate level in the US.

e.g. Dub Jones and Bert Jones from Louisiana. Dub Jones was an All-American running back for Tulane University in the 1940's who went on to become an All-Pro in the NFL and played in 3 championships for the Cleveland Browns. His son, Bert Jones was an All-American quarterback for the LSU Tigers in 1972 who went on to become an All-Pro and NFL MVP for the Baltimore Colts.

Archie Manning and his sons Peyton and Eli Manning have already been mentioned. Their achievements far exceed the Ablett family when you combine their NFL and college football deeds. Archie and Eli are the two GOATs in the history of the Ole Miss Rebels. Peyton is the GOAT for the Tennessee Vols. All three are college football legends in the Deep South, much like the Abletts are legends of Australian football.

Peyton Manning went on to become one of the greatest players in NFL history. His overall achievements dwarf those of Ablett snr and jnr. He is on another level. He was earning close to US$50 million a year in his final seasons.

Archie and Eli Manning are probably the better like for like comparison. Archie was the star on some terrible New Orleans teams. One of the better QBs in the NFL who was good enough to be selected in the 1977 and 1978 Pro Bowls. Eli took the New York Giants to 2 Superbowl championships and was a 4-time Pro Bowler.

 

[McOrist]

Man o' War and War Admiral

Yep -a good get. The horse voted 'Most Outstanding of the 20th Century' sired a Triple Crown winner.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Marie Curie won Nobel Prizes for both physics and chemistry. Her daughter Irene Joliot-Curie also won a Nobel for chemistry.

 

[Back One Out]

The Gracie family in Brazilian jiu-jitsu (which is one of the integral disciplines of MMA)

Gracie family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Carlos and Helio Gracie invented the martial art. They both had many sons and grandsons (and grandaughters) who were 7th degree black belt pracitioners of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. But just to concentrate on Helio and his most famous sons...


Hélio Gracie - the father of Brazilian jiu-jitsu; he was the only living 10th degree grandmaster
He won hundreds of bouts and was one of the first sporting icons in his country

Sons from his first marriage:

Rorion Gracie – 9th degree master who went to Hollywood and trained movie stars & choreographed fight scenes
Relson Gracie – Brazilian national champion for an unprecedented 22 years
Rickson Gracie – undefeated MMA career and undefeated in professional grappling bouts

Sons from his second marriage:

Royler Gracie – 4-time Mundial (World Champion), and won Pan-American, and ADCC championships
Royce Gracie – the first champion in UFC history and along with Ken Shamrock, the first ever inductee to the UFC Hall of Fame

 

[beema limapep]

Personally both Abletts are overrated. Especially Jnr.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Chris Eubank world champion boxer and is his son, Chris jnr in the toughest sport of all.
As regards racehorses, Champion racehorse Galileo has sired lots of champion racehorses and is the best stallion in the world

 

[Carringbush2010]

Harry Everts (Belgium): 4 x World motocross champion . (Father)

Stefan Everts (Belgium): 10 x World motocross champion. (Son)

Yes, Stefan was THAT good! While his father wasn't bad either.

 

[Sttew]

Personally both Abletts are overrated. Especially Jnr.

LOL, as if you ever saw Ablett senior. The guy owned Richmond FC, and kicked more goals against the Tigers than against any other team

 

[beema limapep]

LOL, as if you ever saw Ablett senior. The guy owned a Richmond FC, know congrats more goals against the Tigers than against any other team

One of these people who are absolutely besides themselves with outrage if someone has a different opinion to there own.

How will you ever cope.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Caesar and Caesarian dominated the dojo.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ablett Jnr was a great player at Geelong between 2007 and 2010. 4 years.

Unfortunately that is not a long enough period to win me over.

He stuffed up his legacy by going to GC where any champion could play selfishly and be fed stats. If he stayed at the Cats he could have turned out to be one of the best players of all time.

But who knows.

What did the OP say?

lol

Classic

 

[PhatBoy]

When Hawthorn played GC, I don't think Ablett enhanced his rep.

We thumped them and let Ablett run around without a tag collecting close to 40 touches and goals. We let him do whatever he wanted.

And we let their mids service him as much as planned.

Ablett's time at the GC is a little embarrasing.

your denial is moreso
the funniest part about this stupidity is that by the time the GC did build a remotely competitive team, he torched you in their first two wins over Hawthorn

37 and 2 goals and 3 Brownlow vites
36 and 2 goals and 10 tackles and 3 Brownlow votes
I suppose 17 votes just from his GC games against Hawthorn was proof of his eternal struggle to perform against the Brown and Gold

 

[Milanista28]

Cesare...Paolo...Daniel (just debuted @18 y.o)

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

its not a phenomenon.

Sports like Soccer, Basketball, Gridiron, Tennis, Boxing, Formula 1, Ice Hockey, Golf etc have far bigger followings and practitioners than AFL that the probability of a father-son all time great combo is more unlikely by the sheer number of additional practitioners (amateur + professional).

Essentially there is far more competition.

Assuming there is 500,000 aussie rules participants, the probability of a father-son both being top 10 players of all time=

10/500,000 * 10/500,000 = 0.000000004%

Assuming there is 200 million soccer participants, the probability of a father-son both being top 10 players of all time =

10/200,000,000 * 10/200,000,000 = 0.000000000000025%

If those sports were practiced and viewed by a similar number of people as the AFL, there is every chance there will be father-son all time great combos.

No doubt this is true but i think you are exaggerating a lot of sports participation or realistic people who are a chance of making it..
How many kids play golf for instance? the pool for potential Formula 1 drivers is tiny, How many kids Box?and there are something like 17 weight divisions now.
to be honest the best one would be to try and find a father and son running combo. It’s probably the only thing on earth everyone has had a crack at.

 

[My Tilly]

Nathan Ablett had even better natural ability than his brother if you can believe it. Had he had the same discipline and drive as Jnr, he would have gone down in history as one of the best.

 

[gingernuts]

Has it even happened with Racehorses ? Cant think of any ATGs that were direct descendants.

Considering the males have 1000s of kids all to mothers that race and they all go into horse racing and there's so much less variables in a horses life, it just shows how overated the both good father-son odds are.

Octagonal,lohnro

 

[gingernuts]

Ken Norton Sr. is a former WBC Heavyweight Champion. He was the man who gave Muhammad Ali his second loss and broke his jaw.
Ken Norton Jr. went down a different path, choosing football. He became the first NFL player to win a Super Bowl in three straight seasons. He was elected to three Pro Bowls during his time in the league.