Are there any vegetarian or vegan footballers?

[Franko Armani]

Not that many beers.. a lot of brewers have changed techniques last decade or so. Wine yes but its still easy to find one with no fish/egg product in it that isn't garbage.

I would love to know how much food Ben Brown has to eat and what his diet is.

Would produce enough gas to power south east melbourne

 

[Gigantic]

A lot of vegans have an undiagnosed eating disorder..

Find it hard to believe any AFL player could perform at the level as a vegan. Most vegans consider stretching a workout coz they have no energy to do anything else.

That's rubbish.

 

[Leeda]

Would produce enough gas to power south east melbourne

um Braaaton... hey.. just checking... or Braaaside... or Blue Rock.. damn I canary everything.

 

[Bazzar]

um Braaaton... hey.. just checking... or Braaaside... or Blue Rock.. damn I canary everything.

True. Durianrider is the perfect example of a awesone vegan athlete.

 

[Leeda]

True. Durianrider is the perfect example of a awesone vegan athlete.

ten forty seven.. it is going to count against you whatever anyone says..

 

[Bazzar]

um Braaaton... hey.. just checking... or Braaaside... or Blue Rock.. damn I canary everything.

Oopsie, hit the wrong post

That's rubbish.

True. Durianrider is the perfect example of a awesone vegan athlete.

 

[Leeda]

Oopsie, hit the wrong post

True. Durianrider is the perfect example of a awesone vegan athlete.

you shocking piece of wo.. um brilliance.. up tomatoes... dude star.. rip snorter..
I am always up for fast moving machines that work with little but effective personalities..

 

[StiffArm]

I guess the doctor's ive spoken to just don't know what they're talking about?

Pretty much. I date a doctor and given how much influence diet has on a persons health it is shameful how little dietary education doctors receive. In general scientists specializing in nutrition will have a closer eye on the beat than your GP.

Again, untrue, you absolutely need to maintain a diet that contains certain amino acids, your body can't just store and synthesise them all. The dietitians I've spoken to have told me in no uncertain terms that vegans need to ensure they are keeping their protein intake at a reasonable level. It can be done fairly easily, but many 'bad' vegans will fail to eat their beans.

You're basing this roughly on the time a couple of decades ago that scientists thought that all proteins needed to be present in every meal (cue the boom in "complete protein" cookbooks). It has since been shown that this is not the case. If you eat a varied diet (ie not full of processed foods and not the same thing every meal) then you don't even have to think about protein. Body builders and serious athletes being the only exception, and they'll be supplementing anyway.

That's fantastic if you genuinely feel a lot better on a vegan diet, people should be more interested in what they're eating and the impact it has on their health. Just make sure you don't become one of those annoying ones that demands everyone around them become vegan too.

I've changed to a diet that is pretty high in animal protein and basically no carbs and my personal feeling is pretty close to what you have described.

Happy that you're feeling healthy. I would agree with the bolded statement if it were only a health issue.

Unfortunately the raw statistics don't support the world being able to sustain current populations on an animal based diet. The top meat and dairy producers are polluting the world at a higher rate than fossil fuels, and I'm fairly sure that at an ethical level give it a hundred years and we'll look back on factory farming in the same way we look back on slavery.

There was a time everyone whinged about those "annoying abolitionists" when the ethics of broader society hadn't yet caught up. It's possible to speak out on an issue without being a kant, but it is difficult to discuss an issue so close to all of us as food without being perceived as attacking a person for their choices.

I encourage people to engage with their diet, those that know where their food comes from generally eat healthier regardless of what diet they choose to follow.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Liam Picken and his family are all vegan

Liam's wife would like him to be but he's part time vegan atm

 

[StonesThrow]

Anti-vegans are more vocal than vegans

100% this.

I'm not vegetarian and have never once claimed to be, but as soon as I order a veg option on a menu I cop all sorts of bloody nonsense. I get made to explain why I choose not to eat that much meat even though it doesn't matter what I say.

Can imagine it would very much be going against the grain in the AFL to not eat animal products.

 

[Toump Ass]

Another fact that not many mention is that vegans will often eat large amounts of carbohydrates through bread, potatoes and corn.

So, no difference to people who aren't vegans then?

I know vegans who basically just eat junk food, burgers, massive piles of hot chips, lots of sweets...

Yeah this was me for a good ten to fifteen years.

 

[Ghossein]

Pretty much. I date a doctor and given how much influence diet has on a persons health it is shameful how little dietary education doctors receive. In general scientists specializing in nutrition will have a closer eye on the beat than your GP.

You're basing this roughly on the time a couple of decades ago that scientists thought that all proteins needed to be present in every meal (cue the boom in "complete protein" cookbooks). It has since been shown that this is not the case. If you eat a varied diet (ie not full of processed foods and not the same thing every meal) then you don't even have to think about protein. Body builders and serious athletes being the only exception, and they'll be supplementing anyway.

I'm basing it on the fact that i just met with a dietitian and a GP specialising in dieting who both told me to increase my animal protein and greens intake and cut my carbohydrate intake

Also I dont really like the soy boy look, I do gym 5 times a week and without proper protein consumption that would would be near meaningless.

Happy that you're feeling healthy. I would agree with the bolded statement if it were only a health issue.

Unfortunately the raw statistics don't support the world being able to sustain current populations on an animal based diet. The top meat and dairy producers are polluting the world at a higher rate than fossil fuels, and I'm fairly sure that at an ethical level give it a hundred years and we'll look back on factory farming in the same way we look back on slavery.

here we go....

Yeah I'm not sure that you're going to be able to convince ~10 billion members of a species who have evolved eating meat (an undeniable role in our evolution) to suddenly stop eating meat and then to view the action of industrial meat consumption on the same level as historical human trafficking and slavery. To compare the two is pretty offensive to the actual victims of slavery, but I don't think that was your intention so i'll leave it.

If we go multiple decades without any form of innovation in the entire meat sector and not even market demand can shift the industry towards a more sustainable means of production (which i'll wager is what happens, i'm willing to bet a large sum of money that the entire species doesn't go meat free), then i'll switch to an insect based diet

 

[Magus]

100% this.

I'm not vegetarian and have never once claimed to be, but as soon as I order a veg option on a menu I cop all sorts of bloody nonsense. I get made to explain why I choose not to eat that much meat even though it doesn't matter what I say.

Can imagine it would very much be going against the grain in the AFL to not eat animal products.

Doesnt bother me what people eat but it's always large unhealthy people that have words to say to vegans/vegetarians. I have respect for people that dont eat animal products but also ethical hunters too because ultimately it's the factory farming that is the real problem. Those that insist you have to eat meat or that they just can't live without a steak are generally those that buy their meat from a packet at the supermarket and theres nothing noble about being just another consumer.

Whatever AFL footballers aren't getting in terms of vitamins from meat they can get from taking a multivitamin. They should be doing that anyway as we've all seen the ads for Swisse.

 

[Ghossein]

Doesnt bother me what people eat but it's always large unhealthy people that have words to say to vegans/vegetarians. I have respect for people that dont eat animal products but also ethical hunters too because ultimately it's the factory farming that is the real problem. Those that insist you have to eat meat or that they just can't live without a steak are generally those that buy their meat from a packet at the supermarket and theres nothing noble about being just another consumer.

where would you suggest full-time workers in the inner cities hunt for their produce?

 

[Magus]

where would you suggest full-time workers in the inner cities hunt for their produce?

I didnt say everyone has to be a hunter, just that you shouldn't look down on people that choose a veggie diet.

 

[sameolds33]

I'm part vegan.

which part?

 

[La Dispute]

My grandfather was a vegan, so I'm quarter vegan.

Also I dont really like the soy boy look, I do gym 5 times a week and without proper protein consumption that would would be near meaningless.

Yeh you need the requisite amount of protein, but it's not that hard to bulk up on a vegetarian diet. I used to do - Greek yoghurt and muesli with a shake in the morning, Salad with tofu for lunch, nuts and another shake in the afternoon, then eggs on toast with some veggies and cottage cheese for dinner. Then a shake post-workout.

IIRC was around 200-250g of protein.

Naturally you'd need to bump up the total intake as you progress, but it's the same principle with an omnivarian diet anyway.

 

[Gigantic]

The whole protein intake myth is so overstated.

I know bodybuilders who get by on 120-150g of protein per day. I've found even as little as 100g protein is my sweet spot for athletic performance. That's only 10% of my calories. The rest coming from carbs and fats, obviously. I trained twice a day, 6 days a week and felt absolutely fine.

A bowl of oats with 2 bananas, almond milk, table spoon of peanut butter, chia seeds, and you're already more than 25% there.

 

[StonesThrow]

Just eat some lentils bro

 

[Silent Alarm]

i do love the idea that the average plonker who sits at a desk all day, parks it infront of the tv after work watching robbo, drinks 7 pints before stammering into a kebab on the walk home from abusing alan richardson's press conference at their local alh tavern needs so much protein that they can't feasibly attain it from vegetables and nuts.

give me a spell.

Bet you've kissed a bloke. Pussy.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Just eat some lentils bro

How sick are lentils? About 80 cents a can. Easy as to stockpile spices for a curry. Boo hoo even basmati rice is a bit fattening but it's cheap and better than a hamburger. You can also squash them into patties for a burger with s**t in your crisper. Or I dunno... a lasagna, pasta, ugh...

The 1990s/2000s student had pasta. The one now has lentils. *in tasty as too if you know how to cook.

 

[The Dingrel]

I'm basing it on the fact that i just met with a dietitian and a GP specialising in dieting who both told me to increase my animal protein and greens intake and cut my carbohydrate intake

Also I dont really like the soy boy look, I do gym 5 times a week and without proper protein consumption that would would be near meaningless.



here we go....

Yeah I'm not sure that you're going to be able to convince ~10 billion members of a species who have evolved eating meat (an undeniable role in our evolution) to suddenly stop eating meat and then to view the action of industrial meat consumption on the same level as historical human trafficking and slavery. To compare the two is pretty offensive to the actual victims of slavery, but I don't think that was your intention so i'll leave it.

If we go multiple decades without any form of innovation in the entire meat sector and not even market demand can shift the industry towards a more sustainable means of production (which i'll wager is what happens, i'm willing to bet a large sum of money that the entire species doesn't go meat free), then i'll switch to an insect based diet

Way I see things personally, is what would I eat if I was put on this earth, without anything to cook with or weapons with which to hunt???? Man I love a steak, but hell a Wagyu is one mighty big beast for me to kill with my finger nails and teeth. Hell, I'd definitely come off second best in a head butting comp. And don't think i'd appreciate all that lovely marbling without a nice grill to whack it on for a couple of minutes each side before letting it rest and serving up with a dash of hot english and horseradish. Not to mention I can't eat red meat without red wine. And for those of you that argue you need a lot of protein to get big and strong, well I'd argue that said bovine eats nothing but grass and that's one big beast. I don't see other big strong creatures such as elephants, rhino's, hippos etc eating meat either!!! As for dairy, *ing hell, imagine running around trying to catch a cow and getting it to stay still long enough to milk the fkr with your bare hands, and not like you have a bucket to catch the milk in. So really don't know how (without technological developments over the years) you'd go about catching a cow and sucking on its tit. Way I see things, is we're meant to eat things that are easy to harvest and taste good. Pretty much comes down to fruit, nuts, legumes, and probably insects and eggs (not that they taste good raw, although I once ate deep fried scorpions in Beijing). Its just that technology enables us to eat a whole heap of other stuff. Modern day science, genetic modification, industrialised farming, and supermarkets just makes it easier (and more profitable for industry) to feed us a whole bunch of crap (particularly sugar) which just simply is not good for us...…...Ciao for now!

 

[Ghossein]

Way I see things personally, is what would I eat if I was put on this earth, without anything to cook with or weapons with which to hunt???? Man I love a steak, but hell a Wagyu is one mighty big beast for me to kill with my finger nails and teeth. Hell, I'd definitely come off second best in a head butting comp. And don't think i'd appreciate all that lovely marbling without a nice grill to whack it on for a couple of minutes each side before letting it rest and serving up with a dash of hot english and horseradish. Not to mention I can't eat red meat without red wine. And for those of you that argue you need a lot of protein to get big and strong, well I'd argue that said bovine eats nothing but grass and that's one big beast. I don't see other big strong creatures such as elephants, rhino's, hippos etc eating meat either!!! As for dairy, ruddy hell, imagine running around trying to catch a cow and getting it to stay still long enough to milk the fkr with your bare hands, and not like you have a bucket to catch the milk in. So really don't know how (without technological developments over the years) you'd go about catching a cow and sucking on its tit. Way I see things, is we're meant to eat things that are easy to harvest and taste good. Pretty much comes down to fruit, nuts, legumes, and probably insects and eggs (not that they taste good raw, although I once ate deep fried scorpions in Beijing). Its just that technology enables us to eat a whole heap of other stuff. Modern day science, genetic modification, industrialised farming, and supermarkets just makes it easier (and more profitable for industry) to feed us a whole bunch of crap (particularly sugar) which just simply is not good for us...…...Ciao for now!

I'm not a bovine though.... apologise for not having the genetic code of an elephant i guess?

The way I see things, most of the fruit and veggies you eat don't really exist in the wild either. They've all been genetically altered through hundreds of years of agricultural programs and through recent GM programs. Vegans wouldn't really have all the soy products they love without genetic modification making the stuff so readily accessible. Virtually every plump, sweet plant we put in our mouths was created through multiple generations of genetic selection. Enjoy your banana.

Or how about some plump, juicy, corn?

So let's take your absurdist, reductionist approach to my post, and use our imaginations to pretend like its a legitimate argument for a second. How exactly do you plan on feeding 7 billion people using small bitter shrubbery that only grow in specific climates? You want us to all eat grass? What exactly would you say to all the evolutionary biologists that think your argument is absurd and have proven that meat played an important part in our evolution? Why do you think that just because you can't comprehend how prehistoric man would've killed meat, that it must not be possible?

 

[cykablyat]

You can definitely tell that Mayne's veganism had a great affect on his 2017 on-field performance.

 

[Roobs321]

I'd be shocked if there wasn't, you'd think there would be a fair enough reflection of society, and athletes in general.

I grew up with the likes of Owen and Tyler Wright, and being one of the only vegetarian families I knew in the 90s/00s didn't stop them from being superhuman fish. Owen could have easily pursued ironmen, olympic swimming, etc and I doubt he ate meat in his childhood (remember him looking a bit nauseous during an episode of Big Arvo where they did a meaty cookup).

Muscle recovery from prolonged cardio in contact sport with weekly turnaround is another matter, meat is an easy way to repair quickly, but I'm sure vegetarians have their own methods.