Are violent protests in Melbourne acceptable?

[00Stinger]

well we probably wouldnt see this sort of thing happening if he'd blamed the right

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that doesn't answer the question.

You don't think some far left site would run with some similar bullshit if the roles were reversed?

 

[Gralin]

that doesn't answer the question.

You don't think some far left site would run with some similar bullshit if the roles were reversed?

the point being made was that he was picking sides politically with his statements

and that he was doing it in an inflammatory and simplistic binary way

you think that point would not be true if he had said the issues driven right instead of the issues driven left?

 

[Carn The Berries]

the point being made was that he was picking sides politically with his statements

and that he was doing it in an inflammatory and simplistic binary way

you think that point would not be true if he had said the issues driven right instead of the issues driven left?

Could you just imagine! Andrew Bolt would be storming Police HQ!

 

[00Stinger]

the point being made was that he was picking sides politically with his statements

and that he was doing it in an inflammatory and simplistic binary way

you think that point would not be true if he had said the issues driven right instead of the issues driven left?

You never answered the question.....

Whether it be dickheads on the right or the left going there to cause violence it should be called out and I don't have an issue with him doing so

If there is a protest next week and people on the right are doing the same shit I hope he calls it out

Will be interesting if people who are condemning his words this time around do so though if that does happen

 

[Gralin]

You never answered the question.....

Whether it be dickheads on the right or the left going there to cause violence it should be called out and I don't have an issue with him doing so

If there is a protest next week and people on the right are doing the same shit I hope he calls it out

Will be interesting if people who are condemning his words this time around do so though if that does happen

what he did was get up at a press conference to justify why his cops had used rubber bullets, flash bang grenades, tear gas and pepper spray

and he blamed it on violent left wing ideology and complained about there being anti genocide protests for two years

did he get up and condemn the attacks on Camp Sovereignty

no

have they linked that to the MFA rallies?

no

apparently the only violent protestors are people counter protesting that stuff

 

[Carn The Berries]

You never answered the question.....

Whether it be dickheads on the right or the left going there to cause violence it should be called out and I don't have an issue with him doing so

If there is a protest next week and people on the right are doing the same shit I hope he calls it out

Will be interesting if people who are condemning his words this time around do so though if that does happen

The point that many people here have made, and again seems to be conveniently ignored by you, is that there was absolute crickets from the Police when as part of one of these events, Blair Cotterell and his mates went and tore up Camp Sovereignty.

Nobody is suggesting that violent behaviour should be excused or not called out, but that there should be consistency.

 

[Festerz]

would you feel the same if he blamed the violence on the right?

Yes. My point is about cops playing simplistic left/right megaphone politics.

They are unelected public servants not politicians.

 

[MPMonkeys]

what he did was get up at a press conference to justify why his cops had used rubber bullets, flash bang grenades, tear gas and pepper spray

and he blamed it on violent left wing ideology and complained about there being anti genocide protests for two years

did he get up and condemn the attacks on Camp Sovereignty

no

have they linked that to the MFA rallies?

no

apparently the only violent protestors are people counter protesting that stuff

They weren't throwing rocks at the police.

And of course there may be very tenuous links - in any large crowd or gathering there are always going to be suspect people. There was probably a rapist or a murderer on both sides of the protest - that does not mean all the protestors are all rapists and murderers.

Are you saying that police used rubber bullets, flash bang grenades, tear gas and pepper spray without provocation?
Nobody had thrown rocks at them or set fire to bins or thrown broken bottles and other missiles at them first.
They just decided to let loose.

Thats a big accusation to make and if you have evidence then I suggest you go and see the Ombudsman.

 

[00Stinger]

The point that many people here have made, and again seems to be conveniently ignored by you, is that there was absolute crickets from the Police when as part of one of these events, Blair Cotterell and his mates went and tore up Camp Sovereignty.

Nobody is suggesting that violent behaviour should be excused or not called out, but that there should be consistency.

ok so maybe go back and look a little closer at my comments

I'm not ignoring anything at all.

I am saying that the police SHOULD CALL out all the dickheads who go there to cause trouble and fight whether that be dickheads on the left or right.

Now the precedence has been set by the police, they need to call it out for both sides where appropriate. If they turn a blind eye when/if it happens on the other side moving forward then now there is an issue

 

[MPMonkeys]

The point that many people here have made, and again seems to be conveniently ignored by you, is that there was absolute crickets from the Police when as part of one of these events, Blair Cotterell and his mates went and tore up Camp Sovereignty.

Nobody is suggesting that violent behaviour should be excused or not called out, but that there should be consistency.

They were not being violent towards the police.

Cheeseman was angry that his members (employees) were being attacked. Hence he called it out. Its pretty obvious when you listen to what he has to say.

 

[Saint]

They were not being violent towards the police.

Cheeseman was angry that his members (employees) were being attacked. Hence he called it out. Its pretty obvious when you listen to what he has to say.

The point is that the police used full force when police were attacked. When others are attacked, it's gently, gently.

There's no reason to throw rocks at a protest. In a country like Australia, it's counter-productive

 

[MPMonkeys]

The point is that the police used full force when police were attacked. When others are attacked, it's gently, gently.

There's no reason to throw rocks at a protest. In a country like Australia, it's counter-productive

Were the police even there though when the first incident happened?
There was no fore-warning and they can't be everywhere at once. Or are you suggesting a permanent police guard?
I don't think that would go down too well with the occupants.

There have been several charges laid and I believe one was refused bail. Not sure what else you expected them to do.

 

[Carn The Berries]

ok so maybe go back and look a little closer at my comments

I'm not ignoring anything at all.

I am saying that the police SHOULD CALL out all the dickheads who go there to cause trouble and fight whether that be dickheads on the left or right.

Now the precedence has been set by the police, they need to call it out for both sides where appropriate. If they turn a blind eye when/if it happens on the other side moving forward then now there is an issue

Of course, they've just decided now that they'll call out all violent behaviour and will definitely do that the next time Neo-Nazis run around bashing innocent people...

 

[Carn The Berries]

They were not being violent towards the police.

Cheeseman was angry that his members (employees) were being attacked. Hence he called it out. Its pretty obvious when you listen to what he has to say.

So the Police should only be concerned when the violence is being directed towards them?

 

[MPMonkeys]

Of course, they've just decided now that they'll call out all violent behaviour and will definitely do that the next time Neo-Nazis run around bashing innocent people...

They have been arrested and charged.
You seem to be insinuating that there were a group of police there just watching it all unfold and they sat back and did nothing.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So the Police should only be concerned when the violence is being directed towards them?

I suggest you go and listen to what he said.
Effectively last weekend was a culmination of two years of hate and violence being directed at them. He obviously had reached a threshold and had had enough.

 

[Sttew]

The point that many people here have made, and again seems to be conveniently ignored by you, is that there was absolute crickets from the Police when as part of one of these events, Blair Cotterell and his mates went and tore up Camp Sovereignty.

Nobody is suggesting that violent behaviour should be excused or not called out, but that there should be consistency.

Police admit they were caught off guard by Camp Sovereignty attack

Victoria Police admitted they failed to stop an attack on Camp Sovereignty last month because they did not know it was happening. More officers will be deployed in Melbourne this weekend for planned protests.

www.abc.net.au

So, what you're saying is because Police did not have intelligence to suggest an attack on a First Nations protest camp just outside of Melbourne's CBD would take place on August 31 and were caught off guard, they should have said nothing about what happened on Sunday?

They learnt their lesson and were prepared for what eventuated on Sunday

So the Police should only be concerned when the violence is being directed towards them?

What a dumb post. We should all be concerned when sworn law enforcers are targeted.

Is it any wonder our Police force is down by 2000, and morale is so low, when you have anti-Police sentiment on social media

 

[Carn The Berries]

I suggest you go and listen to what he said.
Effectively last weekend was a culmination of two years of hate and violence being directed at them. He obviously had reached a threshold and had had enough.

Proof of this extended period of violence would be great to support your argument.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Police admit they were caught off guard by Camp Sovereignty attack

Victoria Police admitted they failed to stop an attack on Camp Sovereignty last month because they did not know it was happening. More officers will be deployed in Melbourne this weekend for planned protests.

www.abc.net.au

So, what you're saying is because Police did not have intelligence to suggest an attack on a First Nations protest camp just outside of Melbourne's CBD would take place on August 31 and were caught off guard, they should have said nothing about what happened on Sunday?

They learnt their lesson and were prepared for what eventuated on Sunday



What a dumb post. We should all be concerned when sworn law enforcers are targeted.

Is it any wonder our Police force is down by 2000, and morale is so low, when you have anti-Police sentiment on social media

Nobody is suggesting that the Police should have known in advance that it was going to happen. What we are saying is that there was little/no condemnation of actions that were linked with the first "March for Straya" yet as soon as there is a hint of violence from "Issue driven left wing protestors" the Police are making a song and dance about it.

 

[Sttew]

Nobody is suggesting that the Police should have known in advance that it was going to happen. What we are saying is that there was little/no condemnation of actions that were linked with the first "March for Straya" yet as soon as there is a hint of violence from "Issue driven left wing protestors" the Police are making a song and dance about it.

I don't think the fact that the violent protestors were "left motivated" is the point. They could have been a bunch of "circus clowns". But it was appropriate for Wayne Cheeseman to give some context for what was nothing short of despicable, anarchic behaviour. And I have no doubt if it had been a bunch of circus clowns he would have called them out too

 

[faible]

I don't think the fact that the violent protestors were "left motivated" is the point. They could have been a bunch of "circus clowns". But it was appropriate for Wayne Cheeseman to give some context for what was nothing short of despicable, anarchic behaviour. And I have no doubt if it had been a bunch of circus clowns he would have called them out too

I have doubt this would be spoken about equally were it a white nationalist protest.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Nobody is suggesting that the Police should have known in advance that it was going to happen. What we are saying is that there was little/no condemnation of actions that were linked with the first "March for Straya" yet as soon as there is a hint of violence from "Issue driven left wing protestors" the Police are making a song and dance about it.

The people involved were arrested and charged.

The difference once again is that his members were being attacked deliberately and with malice. You don't come to a protest with railway rocks, broken glass and other weapons along with masks and other items to disguise yourself unless your purpose was to cause mayhem.

You are trying to link the March for Australia protestors with the handful of neo Nazi idiots. The same tactic that Pesutto tried to use on Deeming.

Its like me saying that because there are violent protestors on the left, that all people on the left are violent.

 

[Sttew]

I have doubt this would be spoken about equally were it a white nationalist protest.

I doubt you are right, but then again I respect the job our Police force does in what has to be the most challenging jurisdiction in the country.

 

[Carn The Berries]

The people involved were arrested and charged.

The difference once again is that his members were being attacked deliberately and with malice. You don't come to a protest with railway rocks, broken glass and other weapons along with masks and other items to disguise yourself unless your purpose was to cause mayhem.

You are trying to link the March for Australia protestors with the handful of neo Nazi idiots. The same tactic that Pesutto tried to use on Deeming.

Its like me saying that because there are violent protestors on the left, that all people on the left are violent.

So you don't believe there is a link between the March for Straya and Neo-Nazis, despite the fact that there have been keynote speakers at those rallies who identify as Neo-Nazis?

 

[MPMonkeys]

So you don't believe there is a link between the March for Straya and Neo-Nazis, despite the fact that there have been keynote speakers at those rallies who identify as Neo-Nazis?

None whatsoever.
I mean a Neo Nazi to you is probably someone who votes for the Liberal Party.