Analysis Are we better in 2018 than in 2015?

[Gugs9]

I think we have more depth than 2015.

Just as an approximate comparison:

2015 GF Team
Hurn (Schofield) Sheppard
(Wellingham) Gov (Butler)
Gaff Yeo Masten
Cripps Darling Lecras
(Hill) Kennedy (Sinclair)
Nic Nat Shuey (Priddis)

(Ellis) Sheed (Rosa) (Hutchings)

Probably 9 changes vs our best 22 this year.

Barrass > Schofield: Like for like
Jetta > Wellingham: Wellingham probably a bit more consistent
Cole > Butler: Like for like
Duggan > Ellis: Like for like

Redden > Priddis: Priddis in 2015 was more consistent but redden showing signs now

Rioli > Hill: Rioli more dangerous IMO
Lycett > Sinclair: Lycett higher ceiling
Ryan > Rosa; Venables/Waterman > Hutchings: More firepower this year than 2015 and yeo moving into the middle maintains a similar midfield output

I don't think there is too much of a drop off between the two teams, and I actually think we have more firepower this year

 

[ioppolo]

We're definitely quicker this year. We didn't need speed in 2015 thanks to our web, but with all that out the window we need them speedsters.

 

[Xsess]

We absolutely have a much better chance winning a flag in 2018 than we do 2015. Time travel hasn't been invented.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

We absolutely have a much better chance winning a flag in 2018 than we do 2015. Time travel hasn't been invented.

Everyone loves a cute arse,nobody likes a smartarse!

 

[WCEbrody]

We absolutely have a much better chance winning a flag in 2018 than we do 2015

Actually a good point though. We're not going to be facing the greatest team of the modern era on Grand Final day, if we make it.

Richmond are great, but there really is no comparison between 13,14,15 Hawks to 17/18 Richmond.

 

[kranky al]

Actually a good point though. We're not going to be facing the greatest team of the modern era on Grand Final day, if we make it.

Richmond are great, but there really is no comparison between 13,14,15 Hawks to 17/18 Richmond.

Richmond are pretty lethal on the mcg

 

[hudson2006]

So just so I know Im reading this right does that mean because we are down the bottom of both lists that we have had the easiest run so far?

Correct, I just added up the reversed ladder positions of our opponents. Thought it would make more sense if higher numbers meant harder opponents, but I may have overthought it.

 

[ziad]

we are more resilient, smarter and tougher. Probably quicker as well.

Were is the competition, thats difficult to answer

 

[WCEbrody]

Richmond are pretty lethal on the mcg

For sure, the best MCG team in the comp right now.

I'd still be a hell of a lot more confident of beating them on Grand Final day than that Hawks team who had about 10 match winners in their 22.

 

[Obeanie1]

At least in 2018 there is no raging favorite like Hawthorn

 

[Turboman1994]

Way premature at this stage

 

[Candiru]

Way premature at this stage

Is our depth better?

 

[Turboman1994]

Is our depth better?

I’d say that’s undenable can’t remeber the last time I was calm about a game with as many outs

 

[Candiru]

I’d say that’s undenable can’t remeber the last time I was calm about a game with as many outs

We played five guys today with fewer than 15 senior games: McInnes, Cole, Waterman, Rioli and Ainsworth. We've also debuted three others this season in Petruccelle, Ryan and Venables. Throw in new chum Ah Chee if you like. Not bad for instant depth.

 

[wce4premiership]

I was only calm because GWS were also missing a lot and were in poor form.

 

[ioppolo]

I fully expected a loss. I followed closely at work and it was all going to script but I thought GWS would run away in the last. I don't what was happening, but barely anyone scored for 15 minutes and it was glorious as our 20 point lead was intact.

Then I looked and saw Kennedy had kicked the sealer.

There was no one around so I gave a little fist pump and muttered '* yes!'

 

[Obeanie1]

How many away games did we win in 2015?

Without NN, Shuey and McGovern?

 

[WCE_phil]

To be honest we just won away against a team likely to finish top 4, were premiership favourites preseason and without, any way you spin it structurally 3 of our 4 most important players. All with the other one still warming back up after no preseason due to injury.

I'm just glad i didnt put big money on us to lose. I thought we were going to get done, even with GWS outs. TBH i thought the scoreline really flattered them.

 

[Candiru]

To be honest we just won away against a team likely to finish top 4, were premiership favourites preseason and without, any way you spin it structurally 3 of our 4 most important players. All with the other one still warming back up after no preseason due to injury.

I'm just glad i didnt put big money on us to lose. I thought we were going to get done, even with GWS outs. TBH i thought the scoreline really flattered them.

It was also the way we won. We didn't try to do anything fancy. It was a slog. We just kept squeezing and squeezing and not allowing them to play their fast footy and then we rolled over them. It's uncharacteristic when you look at the way we've tried to play in the last five years or so.

 

[Cuzz09]

Even if we are better we need a lot to go right to make top 4 let alone the GF and a flag.

Pretty much can only afford to drop 4 or 5 games for top 4.

Need to win 16-18 games for top 2 Id say.


Huge ask for any team let alone up n coming team from WA.

Things are looking positive though.

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[Chris_6678]

A few reasons i think we are better off:

A: Game plan - The web was created through injuries to our backline which was awesome to watch but really only worked well at Subi.

B: Optus Stadium - This ground is similar in size to the G where Simmos gameplan is working well on the wider ground.

C: Coaching staff - Mitchel and Van Berlo have been an excellent addition to coaching staff and have gotten our average midfield up about about. Mitchell knows the G really especially on GF day.

D: Depth - We have a hell of a lot more players than can come in and cover an injury.

 

[Astro7]

A few reasons i think we are better off:

A: Game plan - The web was created through injuries to our backline which was awesome to watch but really only worked well at Subi.

B: Optus Stadium - This ground is similar in size to the G where Simmos gameplan is working well on the wider ground.

C: Coaching staff - Mitchel and Van Berlo have been an excellent addition to coaching staff and have gotten our average midfield up about about. Mitchell knows the G really especially on GF day.

D: Depth - We have a hell of a lot more players than can come in and cover an injury.

You're quite right. It's no surprise really, a lot of players, and the coach and even last couple of seasons were underestimated by many posters here (and the media)..let alone wanting the removal of Lecras, Darling, Masten, Jetta, Redden, Sheed, Duggan, Cripps, Gaff, etc , the list is endless really..even newbies are/were doubted such as Ahchee- yet this guy just fits right in like a cog in the proverbial well oiled machine. So it's also a perceived thing vs. the reality.
For mine, there's no point comparing the two teams or seasons for a speculative outcome this season-it was a completely different landscape and game..you just have to look at what's in front of you right now compared to the rest of the comp ..or nail your lid shut and hunker down for the ride? ((;

 

[Candiru]

D: Depth - We have a hell of a lot more players than can come in and cover an injury.

We've got 30 guys who are good to go. Big change from the past two seasons.

 

[ioppolo]

Our emergencys on GF day in 2015 were Lycett, S. Selwood & McGinnity. And then not much at all after that.

 

[Figure09]

Why we talking about a flag? Can you imagine

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