News Are We Really Improving?

[ReaperX]

Then i dont understand the premise of the thread. Your title clearly states the question "ARE WE REALLY IMPROVING?"
I just answered that. In future if youre going to ask a question then you need to accept an answer, or, from the outset, announce that youve already made up your mind.

People have given very well thought out and detailed reasons why yes we have improved, and how in regard to the off field it has come at a pretty decent 'rate'. Now with 2 finals appearances we are starting to see the fruits on field. But you can't take any of these answers on board, and instead continue to argue that we havent improved at a rate that is satisfactory to you and seemingly, only you.

Now, what excuses are you referring to?

And you're demonstrating that you won't accept any answer but your own.

You have Hawks as an example. We've already accomplished what they plan to do.

You brought up Port. We're equal if not ahead of them, both off field and if we had have won a final, on field as well, and came from further back to do it.

I think you mentioned North as well. We are streets ahead of them.

Other than failing to win a final, what exactly leads you to believe that we have not improved at a decent rate? If we take it as being the DH era, how is 5 years not a decent rate, considering how far back we came from???


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The bolded parts of these two posts are the reason I truly get frustrated by this stuff.

It's not even so much the opinion itself, as I've said numerous times, being critical of the club is a good thing. But it's the attitude behind certain people's criticism that I will no longer tolerate reading on here and continue to call them out on.

Even though I end up debating with them anyway, honestly it's pointless, and makes me feel like I'm debating a Christian about their beliefs or something. Because no matter what evidence you provide to the contrary of the opinion you're debating here, they are only interested in THEIR agenda, which is to RIP INTO THE CLUB NO MATTER WHAT IS HAPPENING!

To be honest Hawthorn were well ahead of us in 2004. We had nothing for the future and they had Hodge from 2001. I would argue their rebuild started in 2001 or earlier well before 2004 anyway!

Probably a fair call there, that actually backs up my point even further. If you said they were rebuilding from 2001, then it took them 5 years to make the finals, and 7 years to sneak a flag. And they didn't become dominant until about 2012, which is 11 years.

So for us, if we won a premiership in 2017, we'd be ahead of the game like Hawthorn were. But really, we're aiming for a dominant period between 2018-2021 in reality, or thereabouts.

Either way, it's puts all this talk about "have we really improved?" into perspective, and hopefully tempers expectations.

 

[TigerImposter]

The bolded parts of these two posts are the reason I truly get frustrated by this stuff.

It's not even so much the opinion itself, as I've said numerous times, being critical of the club is a good thing. But it's the attitude behind certain people's criticism that I will no longer tolerate reading on here and continue to call them out on.

Even though I end up debating with them anyway, honestly it's pointless, and makes me feel like I'm debating a Christian about their beliefs or something. Because no matter what evidence you provide to the contrary of the opinion you're debating here, they are only interested in THEIR agenda, which is to RIP INTO THE CLUB NO MATTER WHAT IS HAPPENING!




Probably a fair call there, that actually backs up my point even further. If you said they were rebuilding from 2001, then it took them 5 years to make the finals, and 7 years to sneak a flag. And they didn't become dominant until about 2012, which is 11 years.

So for us, if we won a premiership in 2017, we'd be ahead of the game like Hawthorn were. But really, we're aiming for a dominant period between 2018-2021 in reality, or thereabouts.

Either way, it's puts all this talk about "have we really improved?" into perspective, and hopefully tempers expectations.

I don't have an agenda mate unlike you
Just bc I cannot accept your opinion suddenly I have an agenda against the rfc
Get out of your bubble mate and demonstrate some maturity
I've given you my reasons just as you shared yours , but to post a post indirectly targeting me and others with differing opinion is immature and sadly cowardly in nature
I appreciated your dialogue and your input , but to take it to a personal level implies you either lack the maturity to cater for individual differences and beliefs
To compare our behaviour to religious fanatics of the Christisn denomination is appalling form on your behalf and insulting to Christians
As we are all fanatics here . Yes fanatics of the RFC otherwise we wouldn't bother
Why put your personal angst into it ? To me it weakens all your arguments and you just wanted to behave in a rebellious manner to derail the thread bc you felt uncomfortable since the truth may have hit a raw nerve
As I said in earlier posts there is no simple solution to this due to the number of variables and I respected posters for their input
Im Terribly disappointed as I thought you were genuine

 

[TigerTime3]

The bolded parts of these two posts are the reason I truly get frustrated by this stuff.

It's not even so much the opinion itself, as I've said numerous times, being critical of the club is a good thing. But it's the attitude behind certain people's criticism that I will no longer tolerate reading on here and continue to call them out on.

Even though I end up debating with them anyway, honestly it's pointless, and makes me feel like I'm debating a Christian about their beliefs or something. Because no matter what evidence you provide to the contrary of the opinion you're debating here, they are only interested in THEIR agenda, which is to RIP INTO THE CLUB NO MATTER WHAT IS HAPPENING!

Mate you think those posters would criticise the club even after we win a premiership.

Clearly your perception of these posters is wrong and exaggerated.

 

[ReaperX]

I don't have an agenda mate unlike you
Just bc I cannot accept your opinion suddenly I have an agenda against the rfc
Get out of your bubble mate and demonstrate some maturity
I've given you my reasons just as you shared yours , but to post a post indirectly targeting me and others with differing opinion is immature and sadly cowardly in nature
I appreciated your dialogue and your input , but to take it to a personal level implies you either lack the maturity to cater for individual differences and beliefs
To compare our behaviour to religious fanatics of the Christisn denomination is appalling form on your behalf and insulting to Christians
As we are all fanatics here . Yes fanatics of the RFC otherwise we wouldn't bother
Why put your personal angst into it ? To me it weakens all your arguments and you just wanted to behave in a rebellious manner to derail the thread bc you felt uncomfortable since the truth may have hit a raw nerve
As I said in earlier posts there is no simple solution to this due to the number of variables and I respected posters for their input
Im Terribly disappointed as I thought you were genuine

I'm willing to be called out on that post and told I am wrong, but I can only go by what I see on these boards, the post history, and the types of threads created by you, and from that information, I have only EVER seen you shoot the club down, no matter what the circumstances. But you're not the only person I was referring to on here either, there are quite a few others too.

Also, I have absolutely nothing personal against you, in-fact I'm sure that if I ever met you at a game and we got talking, I'd probably see your passion for the club and end up buying you a beer or something.

One thing I will correct myself on is this: I'm sure that deep down you want the club to succeed just like the rest of us, and whilst you do seem to portray a very negative agenda on this board, I'm sure that you are still a very loyal supporter in real life, and you simply use this online forum as a way of venting frustration.

So I apologize for making it seem like your agenda is for the RFC to fail, because I don't think that's actually true at all. What I DO think is true though, is that whenever the club does something well, you give it minimal acknowledgement or don't even comment on it, but when the club makes a mistake, you're one of the first ones there with a pitchfork.

Mate you think those posters would criticise the club even after we win a premiership.

Clearly your perception of these posters is wrong and exaggerated.

Let me clear this up - I was making a point in regards to no matter how well we go, some of these guys are continually shooting us down, and I used "winning a premiership" as an extreme example. In reality, I'm sure they'd be happy still, that example was purely to make a point.

 

[BeeCee]

No one has demonstrated a want to make us great. A whole lot of talking but no action.

except the current board, but i dunno, do they count?

 

[BeeCee]

I'm willing to be called out on that post and told I am wrong, but I can only go by what I see on these boards, the post history, and the types of threads created by you, and from that information, I have only EVER seen you shoot the club down, no matter what the circumstances. But you're not the only person I was referring to on here either, there are quite a few others too.

Also, I have absolutely nothing personal against you, in-fact I'm sure that if I ever met you at a game and we got talking, I'd probably see your passion for the club and end up buying you a beer or something.

One thing I will correct myself on is this: I'm sure that deep down you want the club to succeed just like the rest of us, and whilst you do seem to portray a very negative agenda on this board, I'm sure that you are still a very loyal supporter in real life, and you simply use this online forum as a way of venting frustration.

So I apologize for making it seem like your agenda is for the RFC to fail, because I don't think that's actually true at all. What I DO think is true though, is that whenever the club does something well, you give it minimal acknowledgement or don't even comment on it, but when the club makes a mistake, you're one of the first ones there with a pitchfork.



Let me clear this up - I was making a point in regards to no matter how well we go, some of these guys are continually shooting us down, and I used "winning a premiership" as an extreme example. In reality, I'm sure they'd be happy still, that example was purely to make a point.

Reaper, dont apologise at all mate, its the dregs who continually whinge about a club they claim to support who should apologise, or better still F OFF. walk tall son

 

[sregit]

Ooooooh you'll go straight to hell for that one. Why can't you just enjoy your footy . Bloody doomsdayer! Have you tried barracking for another team you fair weather supporter

I buy my membership and a lot more every year mate and I am no fair weather supporter. I put into extra memberships I don't use myself, just to support this club. Even the player sponsorship on this sight.

just because I don't have the same opinion about where Richmond is heading and the state of our list does it make me any lesser supporter than you. I am not doomsdayer as you put it. I just seek success more proactively by voicing my opinion. Maybe you should pull your head in for a while and respect the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I front week in week out to games and have done for years. I do not make an assumption of what sort of supporter you are, so don't judge me you stupid prick!

 

[BeeCee]

I buy my membership and a lot more every year mate and I am no fair weather supporter. I put into extra memberships I don't use myself, just to support this club. Even the player sponsorship on this sight.

just because I don't have the same opinion about where Richmond is heading and the state of our list does it make me any lesser supporter than you. I am not doomsdayer as you put it. I just seek success more proactively by voicing my opinion. Maybe you should pull your head in for a while and respect the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I front week in week out to games and have done for years. I do not make an assumption of what sort of supporter you are, so don't judge me you stupid prick!

Rusty, talk is cheap mate. Pretty keen on talking yourself up.

 

[sregit]

We do need to invest in our future, and start hitting more winners when it comes to later picks in the draft. 100% agree with you about that. It's an area of concern, but I am fully of the belief that we're doing everything we can to improve this. One such measure being the introduction of a standalone VFL team, to help keep the message consistent at all levels of competition.

The line between ultimate success and failure is very fine, and it's often many many years down the track before you can truly judge a draft.

Richmond hired Terry Wallace, and then took Brett Deledio, Richard Tambling, Adam Pattison, Dean Polo, and Danny Meyer in the Top 20 of the 2004 draft.

Hawthorn hired Alastair Clarkson, and then took Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughhead, and Jordan Lewis in the Top 20 of the 2004 draft.

Both teams were in the same spot at that point, albeit Hawthorn had a much better off-field system in place. The point is, the club is still paying for the mistakes made back then, whilst Hawthorn is still largely reaping the benefits of those decisions. Which brings me back to the whole "long term plan" discussion.

Hawthorn put a plan in place back in 2004, that they wanted premierships down the track. They were ultimately planning for 2012-2015, but they got lucky in 2008 and struck gold. Still, along the way they have had their successes, and their failures. The thing they never gave up on was their vision. Back then, Richmond didn't have a vision, because we were simply trying to survive. 2004-2009 was a wasted black hole, that put us as far back as we ever were in the 90's.

Richmond's current vision started in 2010, when Gale and Dimma took the reigns. And I have no doubt that we were ultimately planning for sustained success between 2017-2020 when we set down that 3-0-75 plan, because that's how long these things take.

The fact that it's 2014 and we haven't won a premiership yet, or are a true contender at this stage, should not have us thinking that our club is doomed for another rebuild in the immediate future. We are still on track, and to get back to the heart of this thread, we ARE actually improving.

It's like putting a pie in the oven, and then after 5 minutes you check it and it's not ready. It doesn't mean that it's NEVER going to be ready, but it takes time for the pie to cook, and even though you might be getting whiffs of the pie's smell, and it's making you hungry, you just have got to be patient. Because if you pull it out and take a bite while it's still not cooked, it'll taste like shit! But when it's ready, it'll be a hearty dinner that you will enjoy immensely!!!

I agree with your response. Richmond is trying to implement change to achieve a turn around and you have made many good points. I was stating that this change is not coming quick enough and we are no longer advancing in our progress as quickly as some of our competition and not gaining ground on the current top clubs.

 

[TigerImposter]

I buy my membership and a lot more every year mate and I am no fair weather supporter. I put into extra memberships I don't use myself, just to support this club. Even the player sponsorship on this sight.

just because I don't have the same opinion about where Richmond is heading and the state of our list does it make me any lesser supporter than you. I am not doomsdayer as you put it. I just seek success more proactively by voicing my opinion. Maybe you should pull your head in for a while and respect the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I front week in week out to games and have done for years. I do not make an assumption of what sort of supporter you are, so don't judge me you stupid prick!

Gidday mate Rusty was joking with you.
He was taking the air out of the members of the opposition
I do however feel I'm in an apiary and may need
to call an apiarist as they're swarming

 

[sregit]

Gidday mate Rusty was joking with you.
He was taking the air out of the members of the opposition
I do however feel I'm in an apiary and may need
to call an apiarist as they're swarming

If I have misinterpreted I apologise, however, this post and others are just opinion and we are Rfc lovers. I do not appreciate being told I am a poor supporter, for having a different opinion.

 

[TigerImposter]

If I have misinterpreted I apologise, however, this post and others are just opinion and we are Rfc lovers. I do not appreciate being told I am a poor supporter, for having a different opinion.

Rusty was implying that you were being mischievous and was not being personal unlike the
People who perceive us to be negative
I agree its a forum to discuss your opinion on the beloved rfc
Some people seem to think they have more voice maybe due to the amount they pump into the club
This thread wasn't a critical thing , but one of your recent posts summed up what it was intended to do. Are we going better than the rest??

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I buy my membership and a lot more every year mate and I am no fair weather supporter. I put into extra memberships I don't use myself, just to support this club. Even the player sponsorship on this sight.

just because I don't have the same opinion about where Richmond is heading and the state of our list does it make me any lesser supporter than you. I am not doomsdayer as you put it. I just seek success more proactively by voicing my opinion. Maybe you should pull your head in for a while and respect the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I front week in week out to games and have done for years. I do not make an assumption of what sort of supporter you are, so don't judge me you stupid prick!

Pmsl I was being sarcastic , i agree whole heartedly with everything you wrote lol . Should be more of it

 

[ReaperX]

Even if you aren't feeling great about the club's direction, can't we all at least agree that only focusing on the negatives isn't constructive?

Just as only ever focusing on the good things, and not acknowledging the mistakes that have been made, is living in a fantasy world.

If you have a negative view of where the club is at, that's fine, but at least be willing to change your mind if the evidence shows that things are not as bad as you think they are. And vice-versa of course.

I tell you what, if we finished the year with 7 wins, I wouldn't be NEARLY as comfortable with our situation as I currently am. I acknowledge the mistakes of the first 14 weeks of the season, we were playing some shit football, and we needed to do something. But then WE DID!

At the back end of 2014, I saw some incredibly positive signs that this club has matured, and learned the required standard that they need to be playing at. No time in the last 20 or so years of following the club, can I remember a Richmond team being so deep in the hole, and yet finding a way to not just pull themselves out of it, but actually make the damn finals. I actually can't think of ANY team in the modern era that's done it in as dramatic fashion as we did.

The fact is, we should NEVER have been in the 3-10 position to begin with. That is acknowledged. But rather than think "what could have been if we started better?", the narrative here has to be one of pride, that we were able to play finals and rescue an almost un-rescuable season. Okay, it all amounted to nothing after the Power thumping, but did it really? If we had beaten the Power but lost to Freo in the semi, wouldn't it still have meant the exact same result, i.e no premiership?

And if we start 2015 the same way we started 2014, especially considering our soft first month, I will be one of the first to be showing my frustration. But I'm not going to take a pre-conceived notion of failure into a new season, I expect success and I think we will be a very good team in 2015.

 

[TigerImposter]

Even if you aren't feeling great about the club's direction, can't we all at least agree that only focusing on the negatives isn't constructive?

Just as only ever focusing on the good things, and not acknowledging the mistakes that have been made, is living in a fantasy world.

If you have a negative view of where the club is at, that's fine, but at least be willing to change your mind if the evidence shows that things are not as bad as you think they are. And vice-versa of course.

I tell you what, if we finished the year with 7 wins, I wouldn't be NEARLY as comfortable with our situation as I currently am. I acknowledge the mistakes of the first 14 weeks of the season, we were playing some shit football, and we needed to do something. But then WE DID!

At the back end of 2014, I saw some incredibly positive signs that this club has matured, and learned the required standard that they need to be playing at. No time in the last 20 or so years of following the club, can I remember a Richmond team being so deep in the hole, and yet finding a way to not just pull themselves out of it, but actually make the damn finals. I actually can't think of ANY team in the modern era that's done it in as dramatic fashion as we did.

The fact is, we should NEVER have been in the 3-10 position to begin with. That is acknowledged. But rather than think "what could have been if we started better?", the narrative here has to be one of pride, that we were able to play finals and rescue an almost un-rescuable season. Okay, it all amounted to nothing after the Power thumping, but did it really? If we had beaten the Power but lost to Freo in the semi, wouldn't it still have meant the exact same result, i.e no premiership?

And if we start 2015 the same way we started 2014, especially considering our soft first month, I will be one of the first to be showing my frustration. But I'm not going to take a pre-conceived notion of failure into a new season, I expect success and I think we will be a very good team in 2015.

It's a pessimistic view as we think we have not done enough or equipped to beat our main rivals
There was no malice Intended , but people went viral over it and could t accept our opinion
It's discussion rhetoric dialogue etc.
we can't set it in stone as the rfc will set this outcome in 10 months time
We are speculating
It would be different if someone got on here and said Richo was a shit footballer bc we have the statistical data ,video evidence ,witnesses etc to back our argument. Whereas this thread is speculation and subjective to human opinion
This is where you were wrong as you thought that your views were correct and set in stone
Again this is not a negative or positive thread

 

[ReaperX]

It's a pessimistic view as we think we have not done enough or equipped to beat our main rivals
There was no malice Intended , but people went viral over it and could t accept our opinion
It's discussion rhetoric dialogue etc.
we can't set it in stone as the rfc will set this outcome in 10 months time
We are speculating
It would be different if someone got on here and said Richo was a shit footballer bc we have the statistical data ,video evidence ,witnesses etc to back our argument. Whereas this thread is speculation and subjective to human opinion
This is where you were wrong as you thought that your views were correct and set in stone
Again this is not a negative or positive thread

I don't think my views are set in stone though, and I go by evidence to back my points up, not pre-conceived notions that I had by Round 2 or 3 this year, or even before that. If we finish 13th next year and only win 7 or 8 games, I'll be just as flat as you are about our prospects.

One part of my evidence for being positive about our future though, is that we won 9 in a row to end a year that seemingly was lost. Even before we started winning, that month prior where we dominated North for a half, and nearly beat Freo and Sydney, the signs were there that we'd turned the corner. And for all the people that say that doesn't mean anything because there was no pressure at 3-10, I say this: No club in the modern era has made the finals from where we were. And there was plenty of pressure at 9-10 or 10-10.

If we started the year 9-0, and finished 12-10 and got knocked out in the first week of finals, again I'd be considerably less enthusiastic about our chances, because our recent form would be 3-10 and a terrible finals loss.

We had a bad game against the Power, but I don't think that sums up where we're at, because for the previous 2 months before that, we were unbeaten, and that includes against the Power themselves.

We've got work to do to KEEP improving, but there's absolutely no doubt that we are still improving at a solid pace. If we weren't, we simply wouldn't have made the finals this year from the position of 3-10, we'd have just faded away like Carlton did (who were 4-9 at that same point).

 

[TigerImposter]

I don't think my views are set in stone though, and I go by evidence to back my points up, not pre-conceived notions that I had by Round 2 or 3 this year, or even before that. If we finish 13th next year and only win 7 or 8 games, I'll be just as flat as you are about our prospects.

One part of my evidence for being positive about our future though, is that we won 9 in a row to end a year that seemingly was lost. Even before we started winning, that month prior where we dominated North for a half, and nearly beat Freo and Sydney, the signs were there that we'd turned the corner. And for all the people that say that doesn't mean anything because there was no pressure at 3-10, I say this: No club in the modern era has made the finals from where we were. And there was plenty of pressure at 9-10 or 10-10.

If we started the year 9-0, and finished 12-10 and got knocked out in the first week of finals, again I'd be considerably less enthusiastic about our chances, because our recent form would be 3-10 and a terrible finals loss.

The EF loss just put me three pegs down and there were gaps evident. Have they been addressed????

 

[ReaperX]

The EF loss just put me three pegs down and there were gaps evident. Have they been addressed????

Internal improvement. Not all improvement has to come from an outside source, like trading for players and whatnot.

Guys like Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin, Reece Conca, Ben Lennon, Ben Griffiths, Liam McBean, Dylan Grimes, Anthony Miles, Tyrone Vickery. Even guys like Jack and Rance, and the new guy Taylor Hunt... and even your best friend Shaun Hampson... all these guys, and others, are human beings that are capable of taking their game to another level and making us a better team as a result. Not all of them will, but I'm backing these boys in, because I believe in what I've seen them do!

Plus we will bring in minimum 4 guys through the draft, which potentially includes Duggan.

We have $0 debt, so all our profits from this year on-wards can be used to build our off-field team without any distraction of debt.

We have our own VFL team established now, and are 12 months better off in that developmental program than we were coming into 2014.

We have state of the art training facilities, and this will be the first pre-season where we'll have them for the whole pre-season.

There are so many different factors to look at as to why we can improve, it's not all about bringing in Dangerfield or Ablett to make us better.

Do you think any of our players were happy that we won 9 in a row, only to get slaughtered at Adelaide Oval? I think their arrogance cost them against Carlton in 2013, but I think the Port loss will be more beneficial to them going forward, because it shows that once you get to finals, you have to take it up to another level.

We had Carlton by the balls in 2013, and we got complacent and cocky and let them back in the game. That spilled over into 2014, and unfortunately it took being 3-10 to get this group to wake up. Then after 9 straight wins, they knew they were good enough, but on that day at Adelaide Oval they were sub-par.

This squad now sees what it needs to do, and I'm backing them in to make it happen.

 

[sregit]

Pmsl I was being sarcastic , i agree whole heartedly with everything you wrote lol . Should be more of it

Sorry mate. I got it wrong. Just another impatient prick am I.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Even if you aren't feeling great about the club's direction, can't we all at least agree that only focusing on the negatives isn't constructive?

Just as only ever focusing on the good things, and not acknowledging the mistakes that have been made, is living in a fantasy world.

If you have a negative view of where the club is at, that's fine, but at least be willing to change your mind if the evidence shows that things are not as bad as you think they are. And vice-versa of course.

I tell you what, if we finished the year with 7 wins, I wouldn't be NEARLY as comfortable with our situation as I currently am. I acknowledge the mistakes of the first 14 weeks of the season, we were playing some shit football, and we needed to do something. But then WE DID!

At the back end of 2014, I saw some incredibly positive signs that this club has matured, and learned the required standard that they need to be playing at. No time in the last 20 or so years of following the club, can I remember a Richmond team being so deep in the hole, and yet finding a way to not just pull themselves out of it, but actually make the damn finals. I actually can't think of ANY team in the modern era that's done it in as dramatic fashion as we did.

The fact is, we should NEVER have been in the 3-10 position to begin with. That is acknowledged. But rather than think "what could have been if we started better?", the narrative here has to be one of pride, that we were able to play finals and rescue an almost un-rescuable season. Okay, it all amounted to nothing after the Power thumping, but did it really? If we had beaten the Power but lost to Freo in the semi, wouldn't it still have meant the exact same result, i.e no premiership?

And if we start 2015 the same way we started 2014, especially considering our soft first month, I will be one of the first to be showing my frustration. But I'm not going to take a pre-conceived notion of failure into a new season, I expect success and I think we will be a very good team in 2015.

how much will we beat Carlton by in round 1?

 

[ReaperX]

how much will we beat Carlton by in round 1?

If we play poorly, it could be a close game. Maybe a 10-20 point win.

If we play well, we should beat them by 40+ points.

If we lose, I'll be angry and disappointed, because Carlton are a very mediocre football side.

They are a bogey team for us though, which can play havoc with making any type of prediction. But yeah if we're serious about 2015, we SHOULD win quite comfortably.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

If we play poorly, it could be a close game. Maybe a 10-20 point win.

If we play well, we should beat them by 40+ points.

If we lose, I'll be angry and disappointed, because Carlton are a very mediocre football side.

They are a bogey team for us though, which can play havoc with making any type of prediction. But yeah if we're serious about 2015, we SHOULD win quite comfortably.

You don't sound very confident . You should be shouldn't you considering the amount of improvement we have shown?

 

[ReaperX]

You don't sound very confident . You should be shouldn't you considering the amount of improvement we have shown?

I know you're trying to make a point here, but it's a silly one.

I'm as confident as a person can realistically be in November. If we don't have any bad luck with injuries through the pre-season, and both teams play their standard brand of footy, we are a better team and will win comfortably.

BUT... I can't categorically say that there's no way we could lose either, no matter how much improvement we've had, or how bad our opposition is.

Case in point, Sydney lost to GWS in Round 1 by 5 goals. 6 months later they were playing off in a Grand Final.

Just because there's a chance that we could lose the game, doesn't mean it's the most likely occurrence, nor does it mean I should or do expect it to happen.

Finally, acknowledging the fact that Carlton are a bogey side for us doesn't invalidate my belief in our improvement, nor does being 80% sure that we'll win rather than 100%.

 

[caroma]

See for me, I feel like next year will be the first time ever that I will be very confident of winning Rd1.
And it's because of the progress we've made that I can feel that confident.


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[wart101]

nah nah mate it's all spin, just spin!