Are you just full of hot air?

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Oops........Sorry

Having just continued reading others posts, I see I'm not the first to raise the matter of CEO's salary packages. My comment was directed at the rapid INCREASES more so than the magnitude of their earnings. As salaries/wages are cotrolled by senior people it's far more likely that senior people get increases more readily than the guys on the factory floor, who have to fight to get theirs.

I can't recall exact figures but I heard that the CEO of a major bank was paid something like five times a teller's wages fifteen years ago. That has increased to FIFTY times the tellers wage. How do you reckon the tellers feel about that.

I'm not arguing for or against the various levels of remuneration. But it is obvious to me that the danger is the situation is getting beyond a joke and surely promotes dissatisfaction among " the lower ranks".
 

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I can't recall exact figures but I heard that the CEO of a major bank was paid something like five times a teller's wages fifteen years ago. That has increased to FIFTY times the tellers wage. How do you reckon the tellers feel about that.
Who cares? Anyone can be a bank teller. How much do they want? A bank teller should be comparing their wage to similar semi-skilled jobs rather than a CEO. If similar jobs are being paid more then they have a right to question. If bank tellers want profit share then they should go buy some shares.
 

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Unions are what stop us from reach full employment
If that's what you think, fine, but are you doing anything about it? Helping out at a lockout? Offering to be a strike breaker or to cross pickets? Or do you just whinge about unions here?
 

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If that's what you think, fine, but are you doing anything about it? Helping out at a lockout? Offering to be a strike breaker or to cross pickets? Or do you just whinge about unions here?
Voting Liberal in the senate did the trick, no whingeing required.
 

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For all the passion shown by most of the posters on this Board, do any of you actually do anything about these issues in the real world?

I do, but I wonder if many others do much more than type lots of keystrokes here?

Regardless of whether you are left or right leaning, I'd be interested to see if anybody else actually tries to do something about what they believe in.
In 1996, I raised 34grand for kids with cancer.

I also prayer for the well being of many lost souls on this board.
 

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As I thought a public servant. How true the old saying, those who can do those that cant teach. How dare you call farmers whingers, teachers are the biggest pack of whingers going around. Despite working bugger all hours a day and having a few mths holiday they are always complaining about wages and conditions. This in a country where basic literacy is still an issue due to the poor efforts of teachers.

If that isnt bad enough, scum like you try and brainwash complete lies into children. No wonder most people are left wing until they get out into the real world and see they have been told a load of crap and change their mind.
most people aren't left wing , only thinking people with compassion, self-serving turds like yourself are the neo-con r-w ratbags
p.s. farmers are without doubt the biggest whingers along with timber workers
 

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most people aren't left wing , only thinking people with compassion, self-serving turds like yourself are the neo-con r-w ratbags
p.s. farmers are without doubt the biggest whingers along with timber workers
farmers and timber workers work hard and generate export cash and wealth for all Australians. Teachers bludge off the public purse. Big difference.

Self serving turds like me are the people that create wealth for no hopers like you to bludge off. If all the small businessmen sacked all their staff and didnt bother about making money the country would fall in a hole. Its obviously far easier for you to whinge than try and grasp this though.
 

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Dear bunsen burner and Leper

You have reacted to my two posts on the incorrect basis that I criticised pay levels. I DIDN'T!

I simply raised for discussion (in response to Leper's post on union power) the possibility that the RAPID INCREASES in CEO's packages in recent years could result in unions demanding a bigger slice of the cake.

If I stated that it may rain tomorrow, I don't necessarily mean I'm in favour of it raining.
 

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Dear bunsen burner and Leper

You have reacted to my two posts on the incorrect basis that I criticised pay levels. I DIDN'T!
And you have reacted on the incorrect basis that I thought that you thought that I thought that you were critisising pay levels. I was aware you were just putting forth the inevitable point of view of some low level workers and I gave a reason as to why those low level workers should pull their heads' in.
 

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farmers and timber workers work hard and generate export cash and wealth for all Australians. Teachers bludge off the public purse. Big difference.

Self serving turds like me are the people that create wealth for no hopers like you to bludge off. If all the small businessmen sacked all their staff and didnt bother about making money the country would fall in a hole. Its obviously far easier for you to whinge than try and grasp this though.

Pity a TEACHER taught you the English language, if he or she hadn't, we may not have to put up with your inane ramblings. If you can't recognise the importance of the role teachers play and simply think of them as bludgers, you're a bigger idiot than I thought.
 

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medusala said:
farmers and timber workers work hard and generate export cash and wealth for all Australians. Teachers bludge off the public purse. Big difference.

Self serving turds like me are the people that create wealth for no hopers like you to bludge off. If all the small businessmen sacked all their staff and didnt bother about making money the country would fall in a hole. Its obviously far easier for you to whinge than try and grasp this though.
Medders now the election has passed and you are taking the time to make comment on broader issues you really are revealing yourself for a fool.

Your comments and general feeling about teachers is of no more reasonable basis than Croco-man's distorted views on farming. And at least it is pretty clear that he is just being a stirrer wheras it is clear you have these views close to your heart.

Plus your comment about small business is staggering. If all the staff did not turn up it would have the same impact and there would be no one to make you money. You are making a chicken vs egg argument, and ending up with egg on your chin and looking like a scaly old chook.
 

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farmers and timber workers work hard and generate export cash and wealth for all Australians. Teachers bludge off the public purse. Big difference.
How would you go about fixing this "bludging" then?
 

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When I was 12, I raised about $300 for the Rwanda appeal, when they did a big charity day at all the Westfield shopping centres.

I've also worked with disadvantaged kids - Jewish and Arab - in Israel.
 

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Every chance I get though, I bag farmers. :D
Good, I like to bag teachers.

Teachers are nothing like the real teachers we had 20-30 years ago. Time they started to do the job they are paid to do.
 
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Good, I like to bag teachers.

Teachers are nothing like the real teachers we had 20-30 years ago. Time they started to do the job they are paid to do.

I'd like to comment on this, so please add a bit of substance.
 
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I do as much as I can to show up the craven lies of the current Government on as many media forums possible and get on talkback sometimes to put my money where my mouth is.
BTW I belong to no political party and never have.
 

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Medders now the election has passed and you are taking the time to make comment on broader issues you really are revealing yourself for a fool.

Your comments and general feeling about teachers is of no more reasonable basis than Croco-man's distorted views on farming. And at least it is pretty clear that he is just being a stirrer wheras it is clear you have these views close to your heart.

Plus your comment about small business is staggering. If all the staff did not turn up it would have the same impact and there would be no one to make you money. You are making a chicken vs egg argument, and ending up with egg on your chin and looking like a scaly old chook.
Complete nonsense FF. Teachers once had one of the best entrance scores for university now they have the lowest. Not only do they work bugger all hours per day, stuff all weeks per year but they dont do a good job as evidenced by the poor standard of English school leavers had compared to 30 years ago. Not only that but they resist all efforts at improvement ie opposition to natiuonal testing, dumbing down of achievement levels, opposition to exams etc.

re small business. I dont employ anyone in London and I can still make money.

Its not me with egg on my face. Think through your arguments a bit better next time. My comments on teachers are reasonable as I have clearly explained above. How many other occupations can say they have managed to achieve worse results now than in the past?
 

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Not only do they work bugger all hours per day, stuff all weeks per year but they dont do a good job as evidenced by the poor standard of English school leavers had compared to 30 years ago.
Right...You do realise that time spent in class is but a fraction of what teachers do, and that much work is done at home. As a secondary English teacher, I would average a 10 hour day during the week (I'm still preparing for tomorrow's classes at 9:30pm), and spend many Saturdays and Sundays correcting work. Holidays ARE good (no argument there) but some of this time is spent working from home. Not that I want a medal :D but I would like to paint a more realistic picture.

There are some slack arse teachers out there, but that doesn't account for most of us (at least the colleagues that I have worked with). I hope that your faith in the profession can somehow be restored.

Re. poor standard of English - you are on the money, at least in the environment that I work in (northern suburbs). All I can say is that we are working our behinds off to achieve small results. Very frustrating, and a complex problem.
 

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Complete nonsense FF. Teachers once had one of the best entrance scores for university now they have the lowest. Not only do they work bugger all hours per day, stuff all weeks per year but they dont do a good job as evidenced by the poor standard of English school leavers had compared to 30 years ago. Not only that but they resist all efforts at improvement ie opposition to natiuonal testing, dumbing down of achievement levels, opposition to exams etc.
We need too many of them, and we don;t pay them much. Simple reasons for the low Uni entrance scores. How smart do Farmers need to be to get a farm?


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re small business. I dont employ anyone in London and I can still make money.
Then why are you so worried about sacking all their staff, or about unfair dismissal laws? You brought staff into this, not me, so obviously that was what I was referring to.
 

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Good, I like to bag teachers.

Teachers are nothing like the real teachers we had 20-30 years ago. Time they started to do the job they are paid to do.
bring back the cane then.

watch the lawsuits fly.
:(
 
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