Are zero scores included?

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Hille and Harvey both played and scored zero this week. My opponent and key rival in my league has both these players. Below is a quote from the game rules

"including up to 3 selected emergencies to replace up to 3 players in your starting 22 in matching positions who don't play that round."

I hope that as these players play any selected emergencies will not replace them.

More importantly, I hope the score is registered and the player value changes this week. If both these scores count the 2 player values should plunge this week and big money will need to be spent to replace them with guns.

My worry about this is that in the virtual sports sheffield shield game last year Luke Ronchi scored a duck and took one catch resulting in an overall score of 0 and the game did not register and his value remained the same the next week. I will not be happy if this is the case. Why should a score of 1 or -1 count, but a score of 0 when the player actually takes to the field not count.

Has this happened in dream team before? Any idea what will happen?
 

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Pretty much answers itself doesn't it?

"who don't play that round"

I don't know why it matters what they scored, they played so why would an emergency cover there spot?
 

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You would think so wouldn't you. My previous virtual sports experience is the thing that bothers me. I really wanted to know if this has happened before in DT.
 

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Rocca had a zero with a kick and a free against one game which counted.

Never seen one with no stats at all though.
 

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If a player gets a 0 then in the past there score hasn't been counted to your weekly score if you have a replacement to come in.

What I can't recall is if the game is counted towards there new score. If Harvey is seriously injury, then it is going to suck to lose that money when I brought him in this week
 

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DT shows 'potential scores' now, so I guess if the emergencies score counts towards the potential total, then the 0 wouldn't count. You won't be able to tell until all the other players in that position have also played though.
 

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DT shows 'potential scores' now, so I guess if the emergencies score counts towards the potential total, then the 0 wouldn't count. You won't be able to tell until all the other players in that position have also played though.
yeah thats what i was about to say. should be able to see from that and it bloody well better count cuz i have haselby.
 

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I dunno if this has been mentioned but on the live scores page, once a player is done for the game his score is shown in green. Hille's score is in green. I doubt an EMG will come in then and his price will drop. Hope I'm wrong though. Then again I wouldn't mind Harvey dropping as well. A lot easier to replace him than it is for Hille.
 

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I dunno if this has been mentioned but on the live scores page, once a player is done for the game his score is shown in green. Hille's score is in green. I doubt an EMG will come in then and his price will drop. Hope I'm wrong though. Then again I wouldn't mind Harvey dropping as well. A lot easier to replace him than it is for Hille.
This is true however Andrew Raines also has a green score and he is on my bench. He didn't even get on the park. I think green just means the team has completed its game?
 

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Does anyone who has Hille or Harvey have an emergency covering them that has scored yet? If it's showing up in the potential score I'd consider that a pretty good sign that emergencies will count.
 

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Well my league game will most likely be decided by this. So I hope the scores count and my opponents 2 emergencies don't play. I also hope their scores go down and he has to pay the extra 40k each to trade these players out.
 

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Does anyone who has Hille or Harvey have an emergency covering them that has scored yet? If it's showing up in the potential score I'd consider that a pretty good sign that emergencies will count.
I have both Hille & Harvey and only had cover for Harvey with M Brown. Brown's score of 64 is included in my potential score but I still have other zeros in my forward line so it would show up anyway.

In the past when a player scored a 0 (despite playing) they were replaced with an emergency (if available). What I am more interested in is whether their prices & BE will change or not?
 

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I have Harvey with Mitch Brown as emergency. Here is another quote "If you have a 0 scoring player in a certain position and don't have an emergency selected in that position, you'll not score any points for that player."

Im hoping it means literally a '0 scoring player' as opposed to a 'non playing player'. The OP quote is pretty persuasive though.
 

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In the spirit of the game if a player scored 0 then you should get that 0. What if they are just shit and don't score? You still put them in your team and should cop that. Seriously why would it not count? Everyone deals with injuries, what's the difference between score 100, 2 or 0?
 

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In the spirit of the game if a player scored 0 then you should get that 0. What if they are just shit and don't score? You still put them in your team and should cop that. Seriously why would it not count? Everyone deals with injuries, what's the difference between score 100, 2 or 0?
No doubt they should count, that's a given.

I think what people are driving at is the possible glitch in the VS technology which may cause it not to count. VS counts an emergency when it picks up a zero on the field so does is have the capability to realise that zero was for someone who played.

Hopefully it does to keep things fair. Wouldn't want to miss my zero for Hille.;)
 

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I cant believe how stupid some people are. They played, their scores count, just deal with it FFS.
Although I probably agree that it should be just bad luck, in the past it seems that VS use a formula that says that if the player score = 0 and emergency is available in that position, replace.

I am 99.99999% sure that was the case in years gone by. I believe that it is a known quirk of the system so I don't know that VS would fix it.
 

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I got a 0 for Harvey and think it should count and not be able to be replaced by an Emergency (regardless of the fact that Walker and M.Brown had already replaced NGB and Skipworth - so I didn't have any backup available). The fact that they played should be enough to count there score (or lack thereof).
 

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If they haven't fixed the system in the past two years, you would think that now adays when DT is vastly more popular and widespread that two serious injuries occurring to popular DT premiums before registering a stat would be enough for them to realise the issue and act accordingly. As far as I know in the past scores of 0 have only happened to DT-irrelevant players (Rocca, Gehrig) who have just suffered from poor games (IIRC) rather than high-profile, potentially season ending injuries copping a heap of media exposure - and not just one, but two in the same week.
 

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Both my opponent and I have harvey, but only I have an emergency, so I am hoping and praying they count, and can understand why other people might be doing the same. Although I agree that it would be more fair if these scores did count, there is no doubt that the rules are ambiguous in this regard - they obviously didnt think of this when writing them.

This is only my third year of dream team, but I can't remembering this happening before (ie players with 0 stats) - what are the chances of two in the same week!
 

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Although I probably agree that it should be just bad luck, in the past it seems that VS use a formula that says that if the player score = 0 and emergency is available in that position, replace.

I am 99.99999% sure that was the case in years gone by. I believe that it is a known quirk of the system so I don't know that VS would fix it.
I think this is the case as well, I remember it happening to one of my players either last year or the year before (can't recall who) took the field and got injured while on 0, and the emergency I had counted.

I think it will probably end up not counting, allowing for emergencies, whether or not it should is a different matter.
 

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I am pretty sure the 0 by Harvey will not count and if your emergency is named you will get his score.I have Harvey too and Mitch Brown as a backup and his score of 64 is showing on my potential score and i would think that price changes would not be affected as the system is basically saying that Harvey did not play so therefore his price wont change this week
 

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OK here is something interesting. Sort of related.

Last year Tom Hislop had donuts

http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1766&SeasonID=2008

His game in round 10 lead to his average being 38.3. He was subsequently priced for 2009 at an average of 38.3....an average which included the zero, even though it was a complete donut game. No stats at all.
 

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I am pretty sure the 0 by Harvey will not count and if your emergency is named you will get his score.I have Harvey too and Mitch Brown as a backup and his score of 64 is showing on my potential score and i would think that price changes would not be affected as the system is basically saying that Harvey did not play so therefore his price wont change this week
Have all your other forwards played?

All three of my emergencies are showing in my potential score - but that is because not all of my forwards/backs/mids have played yet.
 
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