Aren't T20s exciting?

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Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on television.

It was cringe-worthy.

You're right, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Which I won't, but I'm allowed to say, that this sport is ludicrous.

I'm done with T20. I gave it a chance last night after going to a domestic T20 match and enjoying myself. I must have had beer goggles on. I'm also pretty sure "most of Australia", just simply has their beer goggles on.

I take this sport about as seriously as I took that beach cricket series.

Bring on the ODI's.
 

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This. To a very large degree. A recent investigation apparently found that among 11-14 year old's, or whatever, cricket was the 8th most popular sport (in Aus). In the past it probably would have been one or two. That would have set the alarm bells well and truly ringing at CA, unless they expect the older folk who already like cricket to live forever.
For cricket to have a long term future, they had to find a way to attract the younger ones and obviously they believe all the razzamatazz will do the trick. It certainly looks to be.
For those who don't like it, T20 cricket probably ought to be seen as a "necessary evil", and, as I said earlier, there's no gun to the head of anyone who doesn't want to watch it, I imagine.:thumbsu:
I get all that and perhaps my brain is just way too entrenched in cricket to understand, but I simply don't get it?

I see it fading away once the fairweather's realise it's actually more boring than Test or ODI's. They just turn up to get pissed and because "everyone else does".

It's so pointless! Other than the big hitting there's nothing else that I could see anyone finding interesting. Let's assume T20 was the only form of the sport that ever existed, as a sport on it's own, it's pointless. It has no climaxes or ebbs and flows that ALL sports have to have to create an interest. It just seems to well... happen. If no one is hitting sixes, it's boring, there's NOTHING else to keep you interested.

Cricket is such a long game because it takes that time to develop, and it's those things that make cricket so enjoyable. Take that away, and it just seems like a nothing contest.

Even ODI's has enough time to develop challenges.

Maybe I'm just too far gone :confused:
 

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That would be the real test wouldn't it?

People say we have to pander to the younger generation with 20/20 but at the moment it's only proving itself popular over a very short period, if tests and odi do fade away in 20 years are people really that sure that a whole summer of only 20/20 cricket will keep the crowds coming back decade after decade?

The big bash for example relied on the star power of retired greats, greats who made their bones in test cricket, if tests are pensioned off(as CA seem to want) then where are they planning on getting their future legends to prop up the big bash?
 

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There are things to like about 20/20 cricket

It's over in about 3 hours so it's not a massive time investment to watch a game in the way that ODI's or tests are
The game moves quickly, no long delays during or between overs or when a batsman is dismissed.
Generally runs are scored quickly and it is exciting seeing batsmen going for their shots
The fielding is usually of a pretty high standard

In short, despite its weaknesses like bowlers effectively being reduced to bowling machines, the lack of any real meaning to the result and the fact that games can be decided by a couple of extraordibnary overs, it is a game of cricket and it does help attracting youngsters to the game. Crowds and TV ratings are evidence enough that it is popular.

The biggest problem with 20/20 though which could prove terminal if they don't fix it is the insatiable desperation by the promoters/broadcasters to provide a never ending stream of razzle dazzle as if the game itself is incapable of providing sufficient entertainment. Not having seen a game live I can't really comment on how well the fireworks and dancing girls and constant music etc go but they seem annoying more than entertaining.

The broadcast last night was terrible. The over the top intro with a bunch of nuffies trying to look cool and talking really excitedly was cringeworthy and the less said about that moneyball crap the better. They should continue to concentrate on the game and commenate on what is happening rather than embellishing everything and try to continually convince us how exciting it all is.

****ing moneyball. Ripped off a concept from another sport and completely misunderstood it in the process.
 

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That would be the real test wouldn't it?

People say we have to pander to the younger generation with 20/20 but at the moment it's only proving itself popular over a very short period, if tests and odi do fade away in 20 years are people really that sure that a whole summer of only 20/20 cricket will keep the crowds coming back decade after decade?

The big bash for example relied on the star power of retired greats, greats who made their bones in test cricket, if tests are pensioned off(as CA seem to want) then where are they planning on getting their future legends to prop up the big bash?
Yeah see that's what I'm saying.

Sort of like, if Test cricket and ODI die off, then I think T20 will be dead as nails.

It's short term, on it's own this sport has no staying power.

If cricket really is stuffed, T20 won't save it.

That's just how I feel.
 
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This. To a very large degree. A recent investigation apparently found that among 11-14 year old's, or whatever, cricket was the 8th most popular sport (in Aus).
As a kid growing up, the biggest inhibitor to me enjoying cricket was the knob heads that ran the my local cricket club. And not just my club, but pretty much all of the clubs in my area. Talking to a mate of mine that is heavily involved in local cricket, it sounds like it is still the same issue 20 years later. Most junior competitions are run badly. By contrast, the AFL has poured millions of dollars into junior development... not just because it's a good way to create future football stars, but because it boosts the number of fans. Cricket Australia... does what, exactly?

Growing up, cricket was always my favourite sport. But if I had a son, I'd be encouraging him to play football.
 

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As a kid growing up, the biggest inhibitor to me enjoying cricket was the knob heads that ran the my local cricket club. And not just my club, but pretty much all of the clubs in my area. Talking to a mate of mine that is heavily involved in local cricket, it sounds like it is still the same issue 20 years later. Most junior competitions are run badly. By contrast, the AFL has poured millions of dollars into junior development... not just because it's a good way to create future football stars, but because it boosts the number of fans. Cricket Australia... does what, exactly?

Growing up, cricket was always my favourite sport. But if I had a son, I'd be encouraging him to play football.
Yep, local cricket clubs get ran as "boys clubs", where unfortunately they're all knobs.

Happens alot.
 

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No they are crap!!!

Take this shit game to the US and flog it there... coz the yanks love all the hype, glitz and bullshit associated with "sport"...hopefully aussies will turn off after a while.

I'd like to see 40 over cricket and tests only.
 

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No they are crap!!!

Take this shit game to the US and flog it there... coz the yanks love all the hype, glitz and bullshit associated with "sport"...hopefully aussies will turn off after a while.

I'd like to see 40 over cricket and tests only.
But the hype, glitz and bullshit has nothing to do with the sport of T20 cricket whatsoever.

It's the flogs that are running it/commentating on it.
 

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The biggest problem with 20/20 though which could prove terminal if they don't fix it is the insatiable desperation by the promoters/broadcasters to provide a never ending stream of razzle dazzle as if the game itself is incapable of providing sufficient entertainment. Not having seen a game live I can't really comment on how well the fireworks and dancing girls and constant music etc go but they seem annoying more than entertaining.
Went to my first T20 game last month. It was incredibly annoying. I think it stood out more because the game itself was incredibly dull.

Really an indictment on Gen Y and earlier that they could sit through that shit.
 

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It was some form of rating they 'scientifically' conjured that rates everyone in the side out of 100 on their ability to hit a six... or something along those lines
 

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What is this moneyball that everyone's talking about? I missed that part.
I don't get what all the hate for that is. It wasn't a big deal. Certainly not enough to draw the over the top reactions on here. Reading some of these reactions is like listening to Slater get far too carried away with Warner's batting last night!
They just came up with their own "formula", where they looked at someone's batting average, strike rate, number of balls they take per boundary, bowling average, economy rate (if they bowl) and their value in the field, to come up with a number out of 100. The higher the number, the higher they consider your worth to the team in a T20 game is.
Understandably, those that brought multiple benefits to the team got the highest ratings. If you bat, bowl and field really well, for instance, you're more likely to get a very high score. If you're only there for your batting, or bowling and are not overly good in the field, you're likely to get a relatively low score. To put things into perspective, they mentioned a couple of times during the night that they had rated Chris Gayle and Shaid Afridi around the 90 mark, as they can be very damaging with either bat or ball.
It certainly wasn't an "exact science" though, as they had Virenda Sehwag on something like 89, because of how damaging he can be, but his T20 average isn't really that good and he doesn't offer that much with the ball or in the field, so I was surprised he got the highest one. It also looked pretty off that they had Dan Christian at 83 (3 below our highest), considering he was only playing his 4th game and had previously made 4 runs and taken 2 wickets. If they did it again I think they ought to also take into account where they have done what they have done, giving more weight to those who have done the business at international level. :thumbsu:

Went to my first T20 game last month. It was incredibly annoying. I think it stood out more because the game itself was incredibly dull.

Really an indictment on Gen Y and earlier that they could sit through that shit.
Wouldn't there be some from every generation that say that sort of thing about the younger generations? It's probably been going on since the beginning of time and will probably go on until we're extinct. Things change. Tastes change. It's a different world they're growing up in to the one you grew up in. They'll be OK, just like you'll be OK. :thumbsu:
 

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I think you just answered why it was so shit. The ratings were made up and bore no semblance to any statistical reference. What's worse is the money ball concept tied players statistics to their salary so that you could identify players who could provide the same output at a lower price which in the match last night was completely overlooked

That mark Nicholas was all but jizzing himself over the ratings as if thay actually meant something made it even worse
 

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I take it it wasn't meant to be taken too literally and that they basically just took inspiration from the idea, or ideas within the moneyball concept, to come up with their own version of it. But I didn't take that much notice of it and don't particularly care. I'm certainly not going to get all worked up about it!

I just hope that all those that have a problem with 9's telecast don't just have a whinge on here, as that won't change much. It would surely be likely to make much more of a difference if all these criticisms and so on were actually directed at 9, because at the end of the day, they want to give us what we want to see and keep us watching them. If they realise that most are hating what they're doing, then they'll surely change it, or tone it down.
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Went to my first T20 game last month. It was incredibly annoying. I think it stood out more because the game itself was incredibly dull.

Really an indictment on Gen Y and earlier that they could sit through that shit.
Have you watched a US Sport? It is exactly the same shit, false atmosphere, where the event becomes a parody of it's self. I don't mind the music as such but dancing girls, fireworks and flame throwers mean jack shit. In local cricket, live commentary and music works fine. I don't see why'd you need to add all the other crap.
 
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I really think CA should be having a look at the AFL.* I actually think T20 is potentially a really great "product". But if they keep trying to overhype it, you'll drive away the traditional fans. I know that the traditional fans aren't their market. But when I go to a footy match, the thing that really strikes me, is the diversity of people at the game. Old and young, male and female, different ethnic groups, families, single people...

Go to a big match at the MCG and the atmosphere is electric. And there isn't a cheerleader in sight. I remember taking my 65yo mother to an ANZAC day clash (though, neither of us support Collingwood or Essendon). And she was in tears she was that excited.

THAT'S how you build a game. Make it appeal to everyone.

* Excluding the Grand Final. Let's not talk about AFL's half time "entertainment"
 

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the organisers should give up the bell and whistles approach they have for this part of the game. the cricket on the field is entertaining and i am sure that's what the public are there for. the fire works the other night were ridiculous and the crowd announcer thought he we the chicago bulls announcer during the early 90s. it was terrible
 
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