AS FROM TOMORROW BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE GOODS

[zyzzbruh]

It's very disappointing to read some comments by posters who are so submissive and servile when it comes to China. It is not the Australian way to be fawning to other countries. These yielding, dutiful posters obviously are not true blue Aussies with being so obedient when it comes to China.

The ability to be aggressive no longer exists. It's too far gone beyond that point. With the power China has now its basically impossible to recover if you decide to not submit. Right now Australia has to yield in order to protect it's own vitality. As long as Australia is successful, whether it be by yielding or not, who cares about anyone else who either benefits or gets left behind. Gotta look after yourself.

The only way out is to have an agreed restructure of the world economy with extensive production and cheap labour being adopted and spread evenly. I highly doubt anyone let alone Australia will take that bullet.

 

[jatz14]

The ability to be aggressive no longer exists. It's too far gone beyond that point. With the power China has now its basically impossible to recover if you decide to not submit. Right now Australia has to yield in order to protect it's own vitality. As long as Australia is successful, whether it be by yielding or not, who cares about anyone else who either benefits or gets left behind. Gotta look after yourself.

The only way out is to have an agreed restructure of the world economy with extensive production and cheap labour being adopted and spread evenly. I highly doubt anyone let alone Australia will take that bullet.

So far, China hasn't gone hardcore, as it hasn't cut imports that would hurt us the most as that would hurt them to. But they certainly would if they thought it necessary.

Australia's best response is to NOT punish Chinese imports, as that hurts us far worse than China. It's literally like punishing a bully by punching yourself in the face.

But, diversify away from China as an export market as fast as possible.

And this isn't Australia's problem, it's the problem of 000's of businesses, each of which has a decision to make about where they see their future.

This is the one issue where the best thing Scomo can do is, keep his mouth shut and do nothing. Australian business will respond, on a business by business basis.

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[chickentendies]

Boycotting components in my iPhone as we speak

 

[sobrave]

So far, China hasn't gone hardcore, as it hasn't cut imports that would hurt us the most as that would hurt them to. But they certainly would if they thought it necessary.

Australia's best response is to NOT punish Chinese imports, as that hurts us far worse than China. It's literally like punishing a bully by punching yourself in the face.

But, diversify away from China as an export market as fast as possible.

And this isn't Australia's problem, it's the problem of 000's of businesses, each of which has a decision to make about where they see their future.

This is the one issue where the best thing Scomo can do is, keep his mouth shut and do nothing. Australian business will respond, on a business by business basis.

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china's GDP is 14x the size of ours and surging

we should try sucking up to china and hope they treat us nice instead of kissing up the US who are in decline and about 20 years away from complete collapse.

 

[jatz14]

china's GDP is 14x the size of ours and surging

we should try sucking up to china and hope they treat us nice instead of kissing up the US who are in decline and about 20 years away from complete collapse.

Australia has gone 2 centuries during which the worlds dominant power was a natural ally, and sharer of values. Sucking up to them was easy, as it didn't really involve doing anything we were not likely to be for anyway.

I think Morrisons posturing over China was stupid, and shows what a shallow base man he is, and I think talk of embargoes or some attempt to retaliate against China not only stupid but dangerous.

But China does not share our values. China is not our friend, and will never be our ally. Sucking up to China will involve doing things and agreeing to things that we are vehemently opposed to, and which are not in our national interest.

We have to navigate a world were China is a, and eventually, the, major power. Sucking up can not be involved in that. Chiefly because no sucking up that doesn't involve becoming a vassal state of China will work.

 

[stax on the mull]

I'm only eating off paper plates. No more china for me.

 

[Chief]

My wife and I are refusing to acknowledge our 20th wedding anniversary.

 

[I Dont Care]

My wife and I are refusing to acknowledge our 20th wedding anniversary.

Just change it to Crockery and you're good to go.

 

[The 747]

I now eat my rice with a fork. That'll show them.

 

[Seeds]

The ability to be aggressive no longer exists. It's too far gone beyond that point. With the power China has now its basically impossible to recover if you decide to not submit. Right now Australia has to yield in order to protect it's own vitality. As long as Australia is successful, whether it be by yielding or not, who cares about anyone else who either benefits or gets left behind. Gotta look after yourself.

The only way out is to have an agreed restructure of the world economy with extensive production and cheap labour being adopted and spread evenly. I highly doubt anyone let alone Australia will take that bullet.

east Africa, south east Asia, south west Asia and even Latin America, Mexico and India would all happily take that bullet. In fact they are starting to take it right now. Just not fast enough.

there is still time to pressure China to revert to liberalism. Western powers have to all unite along with the rest of Asia. But that time is quickly running out.

 

[Seeds]

Australia has gone 2 centuries during which the worlds dominant power was a natural ally, and sharer of values. Sucking up to them was easy, as it didn't really involve doing anything we were not likely to be for anyway.

I think Morrisons posturing over China was stupid, and shows what a shallow base man he is, and I think talk of embargoes or some attempt to retaliate against China not only stupid but dangerous.

But China does not share our values. China is not our friend, and will never be our ally. Sucking up to China will involve doing things and agreeing to things that we are vehemently opposed to, and which are not in our national interest.

We have to navigate a world were China is a, and eventually, the, major power. Sucking up can not be involved in that. Chiefly because no sucking up that doesn't involve becoming a vassal state of China will work.

You assume China can never hold our values. This is wrong. The deng faction within The China communist party still exists. It’s power has dwindled greatly but it is still there. mass global embargo’s against China could see them come back to power and China turn gradually back to liberalism once again. XI is not the only path China can take.

 

[Seeds]

china's GDP is 14x the size of ours and surging

we should try sucking up to china and hope they treat us nice instead of kissing up the US who are in decline and about 20 years away from complete collapse.

this is Quite a repulsive post. Prosituting our values as if they are worthless for the biggest bidder. We are not Australians without our liberal values.

 

[sobrave]

this is Quite a repulsive post. Prosituting our values as if they are worthless for the biggest bidder. We are not Australians without our liberal values.

Our values have mostly been eroded already by greed

 

[jatz14]

You assume China can never hold our values. This is wrong. The deng faction within The China communist party still exists. It’s power has dwindled greatly but it is still there. mass global embargo’s against China could see them come back to power and China turn gradually back to liberalism once again. XI is not the only path China can take.

That may be correct, but we cannot make strategic decisions based on the assumption that the Deng faction resurrects itself and takes over.

Especially given the more success Xi has with his assertive policy, the less likely he is to lose power.

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[Leeda]

You are a driving force of logical sensitivity

 

[Juddernaut08]

Boycotting Chinese goods, a small blip for them, not exporting to China will do more harm to AU.

I agree we are way too dependant on China, we need to decouple and be far less reliant but right now we need them buying our products.

We have some of the best produce in the world the sooner we realise this the better. Time to make other Countries reliant on what Australia can and should be producing. Right now the world will be looking for safe, clean and healthy.

yup

 

[jwikked]

Our values have mostly been eroded already by greed

Yet you're advocating for selling our ideals to China, with their 14x GDP vs sticking with a country that shares our ideals in the USA, because they're on the verge of collapse.
Your values might have been eroded by greed, but not everyones.

 

[Seeds]

Our values have mostly been eroded already by greed

thats a simplistic and shallow response. Do you understand how China treats its citizens! we Treat ours much better. Cos we have different values.

australians don’t get kidnapped in the middle of the night by the government and then disappear. We aren’t graded by our government on our social contribution and then denied access to transport because we lack social standing. We don’t get put in re-education çamps cos we follow the wrong religion. These are all a result of our values. we believe in individual rights. We believe the individual should get to choose how to live, work and what to believe. China does not.

do not tell me our values have been eroded by greed. If you believe that then you lose sight of what is actually wrong with China.

 

[Monkey King]

You assume China can never hold our values. This is wrong. The deng faction within The China communist party still exists. It’s power has dwindled greatly but it is still there. mass global embargo’s against China could see them come back to power and China turn gradually back to liberalism once again. XI is not the only path China can take.

Post-Deng there were two party factions that seemed to have a power sharing arrangement, with the chairman position shifting from one faction to the other. Jiang from one, then Hu from the other, then seemingly back to Xi from one again; but instead, a third faction grew, filled with people Xi has built relationships with over his career. He purged heavily on the basis of corruption, weakened other factions eroding the cooperation between them and created power shifts between government and the party that have strengthened his influence.

I don't like it, but it seems as though Xi and his gang are now firmly entrenched in the party leadership. IMO it would take more than an embargo to usurp him.

 

[Kappa]

thats a simplistic and shallow response. Do you understand how China treats its citizens! we Treat ours much better. Cos we have different values.

australians don’t get kidnapped in the middle of the night by the government and then disappear. We aren’t graded by our government on our social contribution and then denied access to transport because we lack social standing. We don’t get put in re-education çamps cos we follow the wrong religion. These are all a result of our values. we believe in individual rights. We believe the individual should get to choose how to live, work and what to believe. China does not.

do not tell me our values have been eroded by greed. If you believe that then you lose sight of what is actually wrong with China.

I love how people argue about having values whilst sitting in their luxurious Australian house while a million kids in Africa die from not having access to clean drinking water, something we could easily fix if we cared...

 

[Seeds]

I love how people argue about having values whilst sitting in their luxurious Australian house while a million kids in Africa die from not having access to clean drinking water, something we could easily fix if we cared...

You want to start wars and overthrow the African dictatorships?

that’s the only way we fix things.

im not completely against this idea by the way.

you can’t build infrastructure and create a rule of law society based on rights and meritocracy unless we are the ruling government.

all we can do is encourage governments to do the right thing through global processes such as the UN World trade organisation, the imf and the un security council. Which is exactly what australia does.

 

[Kappa]

You want to start wars and overthrow the African dictatorships?

that’s the only way we fix things.

im not completely against this idea by the way.

you can’t build infrastructure and create a rule of law society based on rights and meritocracy unless we are the ruling government.

all we can do is encourage governments to do the right thing through global processes such as the UN World trade organisation, the imf and the un security council. Which is exactly what australia does.

If you think we can't do more to help people then you are truly deluded, we're not even close to the bare minimum, we have countless billions sitting in bank accounts doing nothing while millions starve to death... great values i guess.

 

[Seeds]

If you think we can't do more to help people then you are truly deluded, we're not even close to the bare minimum, we have countless billions sitting in bank accounts doing nothing while millions starve to death... great values i guess.

Again what can you do? You can’t build infrastructure to deliver power and water if you ain’t the government. You can’t enforce rule of law and meritocracy that insentivises sustainable farming if you aren’t the government.

you can’t even give money in some cases cos the government can just take it at the border as it often does.

Africas problems Aren’t a result of lack of natural resources. They have a heap. It’s solely a function of inept government and laws. Do you understand this? Simply giving away more money does little to nothing and if anything entrenches the dictatorships.

 

[Kappa]

Again what can you do? You can’t build infrastructure to deliver power and water if you ain’t the government. You can’t enforce rule of law and meritocracy that insentivises sustainable farming if you aren’t the government.

you can’t even give money in some cases cos the government can just take it at the border as it often does.

Africas problems Aren’t a result of lack of natural resources. They have a heap. It’s solely a function of inept government and laws. Do you understand this? Simply giving away more money does little to nothing and if anything entrenches the dictatorships.

You're right man, there's literally nothing you or any australian can do to help a million children who die due to not having access to clean drinking water... Help is literally impossible... Phew ! Now I can sleep with a clear conscience

 

[Seeds]

You're right man, there's literally nothing you or any australian can do to help a million children who die due to not having access to clean drinking water... Help is literally impossible... Phew ! Now I can sleep with a clear conscience

can You say what the help is? You still don’t say?

is It better to save 10000 lives but entrench a dictatorship for a 100 years or lose 10000 lives and end a dictatorship that then improves the lives of 1 billion people over the next 100 years?

im leaning towards the latter even with a discount rate applied to the lives of future generations. And I feel dirty about discounting future lives. They are people too arent they?

give a person a fish and he is well fed but then hungry the next day. give a person a fishing line and he never goes hungry again Once he learns how to fish.