Ashes 2013 in England

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It's just when you combine his issue facing swing with his heavy overall workload it just seems like we have to find a place for him somewhere in the middle order.

That's also without even taking into consideration watsons truly awful 50/100 conversation rate which is as bad as any opening bat we have ever had.
 

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When Watson was opening in England (in 2009) his scores were 62, 53, 52, 34, 40, 0 - not bad for an opener, and probably showing an inability to go on to a big score, rather than any new ball weakness.
 
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I agree that our top order is the biggest worry & Cowan, Warner & Marsh have to grab the opportunity now & make it theirs. Watson is an interesting one but I think we can move on from him opening....Cowan looks a proper opener (Katich type) & Warner can play the Watson role up top. If we got off to a great start say 1 for 100 odd I think Watson could really flatten the opposition at number 4.

Have to move on Haddin & Ponting by the time this series approaches...need some new players & something different about the team.

I found the hardest part choosing which bowlers would be in the team, some pretty handy options there.

This will be a close series, no way will it be the smashing they gave us last series. I don't think there batsman will find it as easy this time. We made Cook & Trott look like Bradman when in fact they aren't.
 

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#31
Marsh
Cowan
Warner
Ponting
Clarke
Watson
Paine*
Siddle
Pattinson
Cummins
Lyon

Squad
Coulter-Nile
Faulkner
Hauritz
Wade*
Forrest
Bailey
Lynn

Warner will slot back to 3 after Marsh opens one game either at Adelaide against the Indians or sometime in the Caribbean and rips them apart. Marsh's back will then attempt to rip him apart and he'll be injured at least one game and Warner will step back up to opening, Watson to 3, Bailey in at 6.
I think for better or for worse Pattinson and Cummins will play at least the opening game. Coulter-Nile is a talent that would be hard pressed not to walk into any cricketing side in the world, except that Australia have already got two wonder kids. Siddle balances them out.
Faulkner was getting into a good groove before injury struck this season. I can think of worse net bowlers.
Hauritz will spin a web around every batsmen he faces all summer in the shield and warm up games but won't be able to break into the side because for once the selectors will stick with a spinner for longer than it takes to boil a kettle.
Wade is the back up keeper. Heaven forbid ol' chalk fingers breaks another one.
Forrest will back up this season with another one even more impressive.
Lynn will hit form at the right time. Bailey will also give us another 45+ averaging underrated season batting on green tops every other week.


Hey, don't look at me like that. It could happen like that.
 

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joe burns from queensland is a guy who's name i haven' seen thrown up. can bat. hits the ball hard from the little bits and pieces i've seen. had a bit of a rough patch to start the summer but hit three half centuries in a row including a ton in the draw/tie with victoria.
 

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#33
Cowan
Marsh
Khawaja
Watson(vc)
Clarke(c)
Warner
Paine (only cause they're waiting for him to get better)
Pattinson
Siddle/Harris/Hilfenhaus
Cummins/Harris/Hilfenhaus
Lyon

Maddinson
Christian
Wade
Beer

Given both Ashes Series are in the same year this time the key is to win the 2nd series, which will be here. That helps.

Almost like a "!0 Test series".
 
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The real interesting one is Kurt Patterson wh scored 160-odd on debut (before getting inexplicably dropped)... I'm still yet to see him bat so can't comment first hand but he has a mountain of runs in sydney grade cricket, starred on debut... but he'd have just turned 20 then so it's hard to expect much by then.
Apparently pretty front on, clubbed everything down the line, would struggle against moving ball. But hey he's only had one match.

Ponting and Hussey shouldnt be there really. Particularly Ponting, poor record in England at his peak let alone now.

Warner
Cowen
Khawaja
Watson
Clarke
Marsh/Lynn/other candidate
Wade/Nev/Paine
Siddle
Pattinson
Hilf
Lyon

O'Keefe, Cummins, Hazlewood, whichever batsmen misses out. Maddinson has been shithouse this year bar one of two innings, he's a while away.

Would be a likely looking side at this point. Possibly someone ahead of Hazlewood, who mightn't be ready by then.
 

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#36
Warner
TBA (Cowan/Khawaja/Maddinson)
S.Marsh
Watson (vc)
Clarke (c)
M.Marsh
Paine
Lyon
Cummins
Pattinson
Hilfenhaus

Siddle
Faulkner
Nevill
Coulter-Nile
Hazelwood
 

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#37
Batsmen:
Warner
Marsh
Watson
Clarke
Hussey
Kawaja
Maddison
Christian (All Rounder)

Wicket Keepers:
Wade
Neville (got doubts on paine recovery)

Quicks:
Siddle
Pattinson
Cummins
Hilfy
Faulkner

Spinners:
Lyon
Beer

Side would be:

Warner
Marsh
Kawaja
Watson
Clarke
Hussey
Wade
Patinson
Siddle
Cummins
Lyon
 
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41.8 in england sccording to that link. And when he was averaging near 60 at this peak yeah, not great.

Considering his trouble the last few years have been to do with the moving ball, falling over himself I cant see him in 18 months being particularly successful in England.
 

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Who am I?

I average 42 against England with 2 hundreds...but it was in England in 2009 I flourished, scoring both of the hundreds and averaging 52.4; finishing as the third top scorer for Australia, not far behind Ponting.

I did very well playing the county circuit for years before I got my Test oppurtunity, and as such I know the English conditions well.

I have taken a Test 6-fer with the ball whilst playing in England, with 10 wickets at an overall average of 25.

I am a good slips fieldsman, which is handy.

Who am I?

:p

(Would need a massive end to the season, which so far has been below par, and would need a massive year...I'll be hated for even light-heartedly suggesting his name, but he's capable!)
 

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41.8 in england sccording to that link. And when he was averaging near 60 at this peak yeah, not great.

Considering his trouble the last few years have been to do with the moving ball, falling over himself I cant see him in 18 months being particularly successful in England.
45 against England in England. Those 2 tests against Pakistan dropped his average a fair bit.
 

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It was a worry that if ponting made runs at home vs the kiwis or India that he and others would think he's capable of pushing on to the 2013 ashes.

Facing india's attack on flat scg and facing England in England(at nearly 40) are so far apart as to be almost different sports.
 

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1. Cowan
2. Warner
3. Watson
4. Ponting
5. Clarke
6. Kawajha
7. Paine
8. Hauritz
9. Siddle
10. Pattinson
11. Cummins

12th Hilfenhaus

Remaining Squad:

Wade
Cutting
Faulkner
Maddinson
Hill

This is how I hope it pans out, or close to it. But reality tells me that Lyon was the lucky bloke who happened to be in the side when the selection panel changed, so will stay there regardless, just to avoid the turnstile selection of spinners that so embarassed the previous panel.

I went for Hill over Lynn, as I just think he really has something special and could come good in the next 18 months. Wouldn't rule out Phil Hughes either, a bloke with that much talent should be able to sort out his mental issues.
 

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Who am I?

I average 42 against England with 2 hundreds...but it was in England in 2009 I flourished, scoring both of the hundreds and averaging 52.4; finishing as the third top scorer for Australia, not far behind Ponting.

I did very well playing the county circuit for years before I got my Test oppurtunity, and as such I know the English conditions well.

I have taken a Test 6-fer with the ball whilst playing in England, with 10 wickets at an overall average of 25.

I am a good slips fieldsman, which is handy.

Who am I?

:p

(Would need a massive end to the season, which so far has been below par, and would need a massive year...I'll be hated for even light-heartedly suggesting his name, but he's capable!)
clearly talking about Marcus North, and as such should be shot for doing so :D
 

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Amazing how harsh some are on lyon, in his short test career he's mostly played on green decks, the one time he was given a pitch more in favour of spinners he won us the match.

I would be interested to see the stats from all the opposition spinners in the tests lyon has played.
 

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He's been ok, but no better than Hauritz was and offers far less with the bat.

Hauritz was ultimately judged on his performances vs India, and dropped as a result - which was vastly unfair, given even the great SK Warne failed on dusty decks in India.

Lyon is routinely handed the tail by Clarke and Clarke's captaincy of Lyon and supportiveness of him, far outweighs how Hauritz was treated by Ponting. After being dropped, Hauritz went back to state crciekt and had an exceptional impact, showing the improvements he made at test level and should certainly come back into consideration.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/525699.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/523797.html

Also, Hauritz has better test numbers than Lyon, despite playing in tougher conditions against better opponents. The fact he also averages 25 at test level with the bat and peeled off a couple of first class tons in the shield last year is not to be sneazed at when considering their relative merits.
 

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His problem is feast or famine.

He either made a century or less than 10.

In his short career he made 5 hundreds and 4 of them were against the best 3 sides in the world. However, from 35 test innings he made a score of 10 or less 18 times!

5 centuries, 4 half centuries and pretty much everything else was sub 25, including 5 ducks.
 

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He's been ok, but no better than Hauritz was and offers far less with the bat.
Im a fan of haurtiz as well, he was treated terribly after we struggled in India he was sacrificed so the senior players could skate by with little criticism, but he's gone and he won't be playing for Australia again so when you call for lyon to be dumped it would be to replace him with a bowler like beer or doherty.

Lyon isn't up against warne or macgill or even hauritz for a spot, when you look at the incredibly ordinary bowlers he's competing with it seems pointless to dump him simply because he's struggling against the indian spin masters.
 

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This thread is about the 2013 Ashes. If Haurutz returns from his shoulder injury in the back half of this domestic season and performs like he did last domestic season, while Lyon continues to struggle against quality players - the question will eventually be asked.

We're dealing with a new panel here and a captain that supports his spinner, Hauritz could easily force his way back into the frame through weight of performance, the ball is in his court.

Lyon should not remain the first choice spinner merely because he was fortunate to be in the side when the selection panel changed and sought more stability, we should pick the best one, and in my view that's probably Hauritz.
 
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