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Yep, we're favourite to beat a depleted England side. My worry is that it will paper over the cracks in the Australian team and we'll get done again by better teams.

We should be using this series to plan ahead.
You actually need the options to bring in, though.

Green and Pucovski are our only really exciting young talent, and they're both likely to feature. Who else would you bring in?
 

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You actually need the options to bring in, though.

Green and Pucovski are our only really exciting young talent, and they're both likely to feature. Who else would you bring in?
Totally agree - the talent cupboard is pretty bare.

It's more the CA / Channel 9 triumphalism that happens when we beat a weak side which means we never bother to examine the problems with the domestic game that produce such weak test teams. I was surprised that after last summer, there wasn't more of an inquiry about how we lost to what was, by the end, and Indian seconds team.
 

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The thing is there are no great sides in test cricket at the moment

India are struggling with the bat, England are a team in transition, South Africa are no where near it, NZ is solid and consistent and then there is us. We have a decent team but not great and we need to transition to the future by moving Warner Paine and Starc on
And we will......This will be Paine's last series after he retains the Ashes.....Carey and Inglis primes for test/white ball roles

Starc still has credit especially in the white ball format....but there is question marks about his red ball form but we do have reserves in the wings Richardson Neser Mereditih .....the future is bright on the fast bowling front

Warner is getting on and he has publicly stated that he is considering dropping one of the formats in the future be that test/whiteball ...wait and see

Green and Pucovski in the wings

The future is looking okay
 

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You actually need the options to bring in, though.

Green and Pucovski are our only really exciting young talent, and they're both likely to feature. Who else would you bring in?

Phillipe still has a future....just needs a couple of solid shield seasons and I think we will start to see that in the next few shield seasons

Renshaw still young ..again needs a a solid shield season

Inglis the skys the limit

Carey

Richardson

Swepson is a talent


The talent is there.....it is not that bad
 

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It will be interesting considering we have 3 sub-continent tours next year, is before that the right time to make big changes?
Do we know who our future test gloveman is?
Is it between Carey and Inglis?
Should we be moving on Warner for more inexperience before these tours, seeing as we don't even have an established second opener?
Do we have a clear next captain?
If so, when should they be brought in?
Do we need sub-continent specialists for these upcoming tours?
Will Starc even get a game in Asia? Considering Hazlewood and Cummins are certain starters.
Should Pucovksi be persisted with an opener or a number 5?

So many questions and so little answers. I personally don't think we should be making a lot of changes until the start of next summer against the Windies and South Africa.
 

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Phillipe still has a future....just needs a couple of solid shield seasons and I think we will start to see that in the next few shield seasons

Renshaw still young ..again needs a a solid shield season

Inglis the skys the limit

Carey

Richardson

Swepson is a talent


The talent is there.....it is not that bad
Also JFM, Ollies Davies, Jason Sangha and Will Sutherland all have potential
 

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It will be interesting considering we have 3 sub-continent tours next year, is before that the right time to make big changes?
Do we know who our future test gloveman is?
Is it between Carey and Inglis?
Should we be moving on Warner for more inexperience before these tours, seeing as we don't even have an established second opener?
Do we have a clear next captain?
If so, when should they be brought in?
Do we need sub-continent specialists for these upcoming tours?
Will Starc even get a game in Asia? Considering Hazlewood and Cummins are certain starters.
Should Pucovksi be persisted with an opener or a number 5?

So many questions and so little answers. I personally don't think we should be making a lot of changes until the start of next summer against the Windies and South Africa.
Carey will get the nod but Inglis looming large
Warner stays still a few good seasons in him
Smith is firming again for captain
Yes sub continent specialists will be considered
If he is bowling well Starc will be considered for Asia
Pucovksi opener for me

the answers are coming :)
 

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Cricinfo - players apparently want the split. Not necessarily ECB.

Ummm... all I have read is that players might be going home after playing 3 tests and that the ECB is considering picking up to 30 players.....I did not see anything about cancelling tests
 

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Ummm... all I have read is that players might be going home after playing 3 tests and that the ECB is considering picking up to 30 players.....I did not see anything about cancelling tests
Mentioned in this podcast, towards the end:

 

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It will be interesting considering we have 3 sub-continent tours next year, is before that the right time to make big changes?
Do we know who our future test gloveman is?
Is it between Carey and Inglis?
Should we be moving on Warner for more inexperience before these tours, seeing as we don't even have an established second opener?
Do we have a clear next captain?
If so, when should they be brought in?
Do we need sub-continent specialists for these upcoming tours?
Will Starc even get a game in Asia? Considering Hazlewood and Cummins are certain starters.
Should Pucovksi be persisted with an opener or a number 5?

So many questions and so little answers. I personally don't think we should be making a lot of changes until the start of next summer against the Windies and South Africa.

all valid questions.

if you are looking towards our next test (as long as everyone is fit and available), the team should like this:
warner, puckovski, labuschagne, smith, head, green, paine, cummins, starc, lyon, hazlewood.

pattinson, neser or jhye could also be pressing for starc's spot.

next gloveman - it may be a case of being in the right place at the right time - eg. good form at the time paine pulls the pin etc.
this won't mean that they are the next long term glovemen either, it'll just mean they get the first crack at it.

warner should go to the sub continent as he has the experience with IPL etc and he is still the best opener we have got, although he is closer to the end than the start of his career. we've tried burns, harris, renshaw, bancroft at the top of the order without much success.

next captain - is anyone's guess really. i think it should be smith, which will buy as time grooming a test captain.
marnus hasn't done it, cummins - not a fan of a bowler doing it, carey - would hate to give it to him on test debut, only for him to start his career poorly and be dropped and to find another one - so that's a risk as well.

sub continent specialists ? - we have some - who ? this is where green could be important and required to bowl some overs and get wickets and allow a swepson to play. maxwell/agar ??

puckovski probably has to open, unless some openers start banging down the door in shield cricket.
 

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Do it, England camp. The show will go on.

Also, I see no mention of SA & WI again. With all this talk of postponing and now split year-long "series", I don't think I've seen anyone in the media talk about how this could affect them, and I thought Australia was meant to be the disrespectful ones.
 

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I highly doubt this series will go ahead at all. The Australian government have no clue what they are doing with their own people let alone a cricket touring party from overseas.
 

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I highly doubt this series will go ahead at all. The Australian government have no clue what they are doing with their own people let alone a cricket touring party from overseas.
It's going ahead. England and India are probably literally going to play a single test match next year to complete a "series" just so England don't miss out on the insurance money. It's all about the bucks kids, the rest is conversation. Wouldn't be the first Ashes not to have all the best players available, won't be the last.
 

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Ca and ecb will still want some sort of tour to go ahead, issue for english players is they simply lack the star quality to make threats about boycotts, ben stokes and maybe archer yes casual aussie fans will show up to watch them but archer was out already and stokes was doubtful covid or no covid, most aussie fans wont care what english players turn up as this is a very poor english side and the few big draws weren't coming anyway.

Don't get me wrong the likes of root anderson ect missing would be a big deal to us on this board but those guys dont move the needle for the majority watching a home aussie test summer they just arent a big enough deal here that people would say oh sh*t the home ashes is tainted and we shouldnt watch because joe root isnt part of it.
 

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There has been a pandemic going on fyi. Australia is also scheduled to play 18 tests over the next 2 years. Stop crying.
Ah yes, because no elite level sport has been happening the past 12 months... How clueless are you?
 

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Maybe CA should've scheduled more Tests like the ECB, and then we could have players from both sides complaining about the toll of these past 18 months.
 

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