Ashes 2021/22

[Seedsfan]

Green is undoubtedly the great white hope for Australian cricket, but his current Test record suggests he isn't a number four yet. Having him come in at 6 under (hopefully) less scoreboard pressure is ideal. The other thing that goes against him at 4 is he could be facing the third ball of an innings. As his bowling workload increases, that's putting too much on his shoulders.

because he is picked as an all rounder.

He isn’t going to displace Lab or Smith from 3 or 4

While batting up the order for WA his bowling loads have been reduced. I get a lot of that is to do with injury but we don’t want him trying to bat 3 and bowl first change at test level

 

[Seedsfan]

Just wonder whether they’d go Agar. Those quicker type spinners do better such as your Axar Patel for instance, Jadeja etc

In India we will probably pick 3 spinners like they do there

 

[Belnakor]

Just wonder whether they’d go Agar. Those quicker type spinners do better such as your Axar Patel for instance, Jadeja etc

would be a smart play. Agar is also very handy with the bat against spin.

the fact Agar is in the Aus A team suggest the selectors are considering it.

 

[Belnakor]

because he is picked as an all rounder.

He isn’t going to displace Lab or Smith from 3 or 4

While batting up the order for WA his bowling loads have been reduced. I get a lot of that is to do with injury but we don’t want him trying to bat 3 and bowl first change at test level

I am very happy that Paine is no longer captain because HOPEFULLY it means they will actually use him as a legitimate bowling option.

The way Paine used him during the Indian series was disgraceful. it was like, OK lets put you on against two set batsman. You have 2 overs to make an impact or you'll be pulled out of the attack. Crazy stuff.

 

[Red Till The End]

Khawaja bats in the best FC batting line up in Australia. When was the last time he won Qld a game with the bat?

Only game I can think of is the game against Tasmania after the shield restarted there when he made a second innings 100 to help them chase the runs. But still Joe Burns contributed 191 runs (171 & 20) Labuschange 127 (49 & 78) Khawaja 118 (3 & 115)

Head loves a 4th innings ton to draw a game. Something as a test side we can struggle to do but it is harsh on Head saying his runs don’t contribute to wins. Do you really think if they swapped sides Qld would lose and SA win?

An example of him making a 100 in a win that didn’t win the game is the game against Tasmania this year when Burns 79 & 46*, Labuschange 136 & 60*, Khawaja 119 and Renshaw 120*

Honestly speaking, Head should have moved states. The win/ loss column is a massive part of selection and the Redbacks constantly drag him down.

On Head's 4th innings work, he has exactly zero Test centuries in the fourth innings. He has three scores of 50 or more in the second innings of a Test match. So if your point is accurate at Domestic level, it certainly hasn't translated

 

[Seedsfan]

would be a smart play. Agar is also very handy with the bat against spin.

the fact Agar is in the Aus A team suggest the selectors are considering it.

For mine in Asia (with the talk from CA about Maxy being part of the plan)

they will probably go something like
Warner (if not retired)
Second opener
Labuschange
Smith
Maxwell
Green
Agar
Carey
Swepson
Lyon
Cummins

India bowled 52 overs of pace 188.3 overs of spin in the last test

 

[Seedsfan]

I am very happy that Paine is no longer captain because HOPEFULLY it means they will actually use him as a legitimate bowling option.

The way Paine used him during the Indian series was disgraceful. it was like, OK lets put you on against two set batsman. You have 2 overs to make an impact or you'll be pulled out of the attack. Crazy stuff.

To be fair to Paine the sports scientists had him on very limited loads as he was just returning to bowling.

 

[Aussie_boy]

For mine in Asia (with the talk from CA about Maxy being part of the plan)

they will probably go something like
Warner (if not retired)
Second opener
Labuschange
Smith
Maxwell
Green
Agar
Carey
Swepson
Lyon
Cummins

India bowled 52 overs of pace 188.3 overs of spin in the last test

In that case Maxwell must be getting picked for how he plays spin rather than the fact he bowls a few offies.

Lyon, Swepson, Agar and Labuschagne is already more than enough options with the ball so there would be no real need for Maxwell to roll the arm over. You may as well include Travis Head in the team as well to 'provide an option'.

 

[Red Till The End]

Maxwell's last red ball game was in October of 2019. Why is he being discussed even in a squad sense? Surely he needs to actually play a few games?

 

[Seedsfan]

In that case Maxwell must be getting picked for how he plays spin rather than the fact he bowls a few offies.

Lyon, Swepson, Agar and Labuschagne is already more than enough options with the ball so there would be no real need for Maxwell to roll the arm over. You may as well include Travis Head in the team as well to 'provide an option'.

Yeah well that’s how I read the situation, that they are going back to him because of how he batted there last time

 

[frankrizzo]

Calling Khawaja a flat track bully who cant be picked when we have guys like head and harris in the side is just laughable, Khawaja is a better test batsman than both those guys thats just the way it is, harris hasnt bullied anybody at test level on any deck and head certainly hasnt scored tough runs at test level.

The big issue isnt head vs ussie anyway it was that harris was first picked of the three despite looking a class below the other two, Khawaja opening and head in the middle seemed to be the best use of the very limited batting options we have.

 

[deanc]

0% chance we have an ashes test in Perth this tour, unfortunately. Emperor Mcgowan has hit the panic button and put them back to 14 days and their family can't travel - when the explicit condition of touring was no proper hotel quarantine and families can travel.

I note the WA media already doing their 'look over there' narrative it terms of avoiding blaming themselves/McClown and his COVID lock-out stance, related to not hosting the 5th test.

Warney’s plan to STEAL Perth’s Ashes Test

Australian cricket legend Shane Warne says he wants to see Perth’s fifth Ashes Test moved to the MCG as a gift to sport-starved Melbournians.

www.perthnow.com.au

Love the click-bait headline..!
Despite Warne's actual statements in the article being:
"Do you come back to Melbourne and have another Test match to give the Victorian fans something?" Warne said.
"They’ve probably had it harder than anyone else in Australia, so do you give them a bit extra to smile about for the last Test of the Ashes?"
"Or do you give it to somewhere like Canberra or Hobart? There’s plenty of options."
"Obviously as a Victorian I’d love to see it in Melbourne at the MCG, especially with what the Victorian people have been through."

Wonder if the fact a lot of WA residents have not been unable to return to their home state for most of year is also Warnes fault..? - ha ha...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

In India we will probably pick 3 spinners like they do there

Third spinner is Lab

 

[Redline]

I feel we have done this dance with Khawaja before. People demands he gets picked, he does okay but eventually drops out of the team.

I am a big fan of Green and think he will be a long term player but feel in the short term he might drop out of the side before establishing himself long term.

Having said all of that, I think we will smash England and every player will be talked about in the media as the greatest player of all time only to then fail in India.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

would be a smart play. Agar is also very handy with the bat against spin.

the fact Agar is in the Aus A team suggest the selectors are considering it.

Makes sense you need a quick spinner

 

[hawkman]

For mine in Asia (with the talk from CA about Maxy being part of the plan)

they will probably go something like
Warner (if not retired)
Second opener
Labuschange
Smith
Maxwell
Green
Agar
Carey
Swepson
Lyon
Cummins

India bowled 52 overs of pace 188.3 overs of spin in the last test

New Zealand bowled 90 and they got 14 wickets
The spinners bowled 102 and got 3 wickets

No good picking spinners in they aren't good enough to take wickets

 

[Voice of the G]

Maxwell's last red ball game was in October of 2019. Why is he being discussed even in a squad sense? Surely he needs to actually play a few games?

If only the selectors gave Maxwell more opportunities to play red ball cricket,biggest waste of talent for test cricket I have seen for a long time.At least his bank balance must be looking good playing all this T20 shit cricket.

 

[corbies]

Khawaja over Head is the right call but not one I expected them to make. I really like Trav but I thought Ed Cowan absolutely nailed it the other day on ABC.
"my only question mark on Travis Head is that he is a hundred scorer, but he doesn't score match winning hundreds. If he did, South Australia wouldn't be coming last every year in the Sheffield Shield. Usman is a match winner. When he gets runs, he gets the hard runs."

It's not Heads fault his centuries don't win games because the rest of his side absolutely sucks. It'd be like saying Damien Martyn was better than Brian Lara because he made more hundreds in winning sides.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Not going to lie the thought of Marcus Harris facing Anderson and particularly Broad with the new ball has me feeling physically ill...

Can’t imagine he’ll face broad unless there are injuries, and Anderson? In England sure, out here, he’ll be fine. He’s had a couple of poor innings in the shield (got out to an absolute ripper of a delivery at the G) but was in great form in the UK earlier in the year.

 

[Seedsfan]

New Zealand bowled 90 and they got 14 wickets
The spinners bowled 102 and got 3 wickets

No good picking spinners in they aren't good enough to take wickets

But if we go there with 3 quicks we will lose. As well as the Kiwi quicks did they didn’t put them in a position to win

 

[Seedsfan]

Third spinner is Lab

Swepson is a far better spinner than Lab

 

[LukeParkerno1]

But if we go there with 3 quicks we will lose. As well as the Kiwi quicks did they didn’t put them in a position to win

Think you’ll see us go two spinners, and use Lab as the sort of third spinner even Smith can bowl some leggies. Doubt we’ll go three front liners

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Swepson is a far better spinner than Lab

100%. It’s either Swepson or Agar for the second spinner then use Lab/Smith as the third

 

[Seedsfan]

Maxwell's last red ball game was in October of 2019. Why is he being discussed even in a squad sense? Surely he needs to actually play a few games?

Because there have been multiple reports he is still in there plans for the tests in Asia. Ultimately we have to take a risk to try and win and as disrespectful as it sounds I think we will use the tour against Bangladesh to trail things in the lead up to India

 

[Seedsfan]

Think you’ll see us go two spinners, and use Lab as the sort of third spinner even Smith can bowl some leggies. Doubt we’ll go three front liners

Smith can’t bowl, hasn’t bowled in years