Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Corpuscles]

As I often tell shopping center spruikers and religious nutjobs, I don't speak English. If they knock on my door, I respect them enough to wear boxer shorts when I tell them that I do not speak ******* English.

The space in the highlighted portion of your post is giving me the shits. From an ethical perspective, it's not quite as bad as supporting Carlton or putting shaved ******* ham on pizza. I only eat pizza that's bald because I have some ******* standards!

I'll forgive you because you're a faithful follower of the one true AFL team. <rant over>

Long ago I lived in Sydney very near the biggest Jehovah witness centre (I am told)
Every friggin Saturday a knock on the door!
I made the mistake once of inviting them in to discuss their peculiar variety of Christianity. I knew thought they had to be special the 144,000 ONLy that would make Heaven. FFS they pointed it out in several of my old Bibles
"Would you like a cup of tea". With a hang over and a big Friday night out I wasn't thinking
EVERY f'ckin Saturday

Boxer shorts!???
You are a trite amateur!

Eventually at some ungodly hour like 8am I decided to greet them at the door completely in the nude and suggest
"I am ready for the new raiment (clothes) you told me I will receive in heaven"
Beam me up Scotty!

Never came back. I was SO GLAD!


Interesting part was they didn't necessarily think they were the elect. They explained you have to pound the pavement to earn that! Says so in the bible too!
They obviously weren't Swans fans!

 

[Evolved1]

Long ago I lived in Sydney very near the biggest Jehovah witness centre (I am told)
Every friggin Saturday a knock on the door!
I made the mistake once of inviting them in to discuss their peculiar variety of Christianity. I knew thought they had to be special the 144,000 ONLy that would make Heaven. FFS they pointed it out in several of my old Bibles
"Would you like a cup of tea". With a hang over and a big Friday night out I wasn't thinking
EVERY f'ckin Saturday

Religious people who keep coming back for more are my favourite. It's like a rotisserie that wheels itself around to your table every half hour to give you more chances to feed. Those robo vacs are equally useful, but not as well programmed.

Boxer shorts!???
You are a trite amateur!

Shyness is a personality flaw of mine. I'm working on it.

Eventually at some ungodly hour like 8am I decided to greet them at the door completely in the nude and suggest
"I am ready for the new raiment (clothes) you told me I will receive in heaven"
Beam me up Scotty!

Never came back. I was SO GLAD!

Some idiot came to my door once trying to sell me the truth from the Christian cult of moronism. I might have heard him wrong.

Interesting part was they didn't necessarily think they were the elect. They explained you have to pound the pavement to earn that! Says so in the bible too!
They obviously weren't Swans fans!

I thought you were an Essendon supporter for some reason. I must be getting old, losing my sight, losing my mind, or worse. I haven't been this wrong since I gave up Christianity.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

says who?

The Augsburg Confession of 1530 reads: "Christ will return...to give eternal life and everlasting joy to believers and the elect, but to condemn ungodly men and the devils to hell and eternal punishment"

 

[Vdubs]

If you're going to post Total Power's post in full without a single amendment, please mention him as a reference. Thanks

Why? Just letting you all know I've read it.

 

[Vdubs]

The Augsburg Confession of 1530 reads: "Christ will return...to give eternal life and everlasting joy to believers and the elect, but to condemn ungodly men and the devils to hell and eternal punishment"

Is it Biblical?
If not, ignore. If yes, adhere.

 

[indoistriku]

Personally as a inconsequential internet stranger, I wish you all the best in your hoped nuptials.

Thank you!

However, YOU THINK, the bible is the inspired decree of the creator of the universe? Yes or No?
Except you do not like parts of it.
It says Cor 6:14 " Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? "
The nutty Paul (no not McCartney) says he would prefer you stay unattached .

I do believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I'm not sure what that verse in 1 Corinthians has to do with my partner and I. She is a Christian, as am I. She is baptised and regularly attended church before this pandemic. She just hasn't read the entire Bible. Reading the Bible in its entirety is not the litmus test for being a Christian. She is not an unbeliver, so your claim that "I do not like parts of it" is not correct.

Unless you've looked at the picture of my beautiful fiancee in my profile picture, and are taking the last part of the verse literally, and saying that "light" can have no fellowship with "darkness" on the basis that I am white (light) and she is brown (darkness). Otherwise that verse does not forbid me marrying her.

I see the bliss of you trying to read the whole thing again to her. Tip maybe there is a translation available in her native language?

It is available in Indonesian, but as my Indonesian skills are intermediate, I may stumble over words, and she has affirmed that she would like me to read her portions of the Bible each morning. I may read in Indonesian, but my accent may ruin the flow of the text being read. But I will consider it.

IT (the various primitive ancient writers) has commanded there is to be no COVETING or stealing or coveting or pinching.
Then seemingly realises that is not going to happen so IT prescribes lengthy diatribe of what should happen when it occurs.

Well, that still doesn't mean that God is OK with theft, as you claimed. Our government forbids murder. It also has punishments for murder. Does that mean that our government is "OK" with murder since she realises that people will probably commit murder?

It would be like if I am your boss at work and I say if you turn up late for work , I will sack you! However then say but when you do, you will have punishment (eg to work x number of hours on a Saturday and mow my lawn when you do.)
You accept the designer of the Universe thinks like that? LOL!

Why wouldn't He? He is perfect (Matt. 5:48). Should He lower His standards because we are not perfect?

One example of thousands: If you root (sex) with a virgin not betrothed ( like you prolly have with your fiancé? Maybe maybe not? no facts this end) then you must marry and give up a "the dowry of virgins" marry her!.
BUT If potential father in law says no, you still have to pay up! Then you are free to go on elsewhere. ..... and root (sex) another one!

I have not had sex with my fiancee or any other woman (or man). But I will not claim to be "pure," I am a sinner like all else and I daily struggle against sinfuls desire of all kinds.

Could you please provide a reference for your claims for me to read?

Read it again. Slowly ( to your missus in Swahili or other) if that helps?
It won't because you preconcieve this is God talking to you in some ancient cobbled together gathering of books?

Again, could you provide evidence of the "silly" made up laws that you claimed were in there? Also, my fiancee is Asian, not African.

What is the reasonable explanation?

I wrote it in the post you're responding to.

Apparently he got the shits after Moses broke the first set and ordered Moses write the different replacement himself !

No. If you read my reply more carefully you would see that God wrote the commandments on stone, not Moses. That is clear from verse one, and from the passage in Deuteronomy 10.

Nowhere is "ten commandments " specifically referred to. It is a religious fiction.
You agree? apparently Lutherans claim 14 imperatives?

There are fourteen imperatives. That is a fact, not a claim from Lutherans. I'm saying that some of the imperatives are combined into one commandment.

Only the true elect follow the Swans and we expect and forgive completely that others do not get it and incapable of understanding such!
Especially Dockers LOL fans

In eternal matters, there is only election unto salvation, but not election unto condemnation. In AFL, there is election unto grace and favour (Freo supporters) and also election unto misery (Swans supporters). One of the cases in life where 'double predestination' is a term aptly employed.

OK Billions would not believe you but I DO!
You are a dirty rotten sinner! Agreed.

Which one of us is talking to the other as if he is superior? You have mocked my religion and now me, when I have not done so to you, other than a light-hearted jab at the footy team you follow. (It's OK, I can handle it. My life is good.)

Yours (posting here) is a valuable insight for all into the incurable 'mind set' that religious fanatics cling to.
It is belief nothing more there no substance or evidence. However the most disturbing part is you do not even understand the impact of the bit of passed down gossip and 'hand me down ' musings on which it is all based (THE BIBLE) and have to resort to excuses for it's stupidity
Then don't even do what it says anyway!

Ok. I don't agree.

 

[Evolved1]

I must say that I truly appreciate the patience of Roylion, Gethelred, chelseacarlton, Total Power, ferball, Corpuscles, Obese Arachnid, SBD Gonzalez, and several other non-Christians in their respectful and intelligent discourse with Christians here.

I've learned a lot from you guys.

 

[Total Power]

says who?

Bible:

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

 

[Total Power]

Long ago I lived in Sydney very near the biggest Jehovah witness centre (I am told)
Every friggin Saturday a knock on the door!
I made the mistake once of inviting them in to discuss their peculiar variety of Christianity. I knew thought they had to be special the 144,000 ONLy that would make Heaven. FFS they pointed it out in several of my old Bibles
"Would you like a cup of tea". With a hang over and a big Friday night out I wasn't thinking
EVERY f'ckin Saturday

Boxer shorts!???
You are a trite amateur!

Eventually at some ungodly hour like 8am I decided to greet them at the door completely in the nude and suggest
"I am ready for the new raiment (clothes) you told me I will receive in heaven"
Beam me up Scotty!

Never came back. I was SO GLAD!


Interesting part was they didn't necessarily think they were the elect. They explained you have to pound the pavement to earn that! Says so in the bible too!
They obviously weren't Swans fans!

According to Christians here JW are not Christians lol

I have been approached by Evangilicals many times in the streets of Zurich, probably because i look Asian they think i am up there for conversion. So they try to preach the Bible and i ask them a very tough questions that i asked Vdubs lol, one of them once rolled us and told me "you are possessed by the Devil". He was telling me not to ask questions but just believe in whatever is written in there as the universal truth.

Jesus christ indeed

 

[Vdubs]

Bible:

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Where from?

 

[Corpuscles]

Thank you!



I do believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I'm not sure what that verse in 1 Corinthians has to do with my partner and I. She is a Christian, as am I. She is baptised and regularly attended church before this pandemic. She just hasn't read the entire Bible. Reading the Bible in its entirety is not the litmus test for being a Christian. She is not an unbeliver, so your claim that "I do not like parts of it" is not correct.

Unless you've looked at the picture of my beautiful fiancee in my profile picture, and are taking the last part of the verse literally, and saying that "light" can have no fellowship with "darkness" on the basis that I am white (light) and she is brown (darkness). Otherwise that verse does not forbid me marrying her.



It is available in Indonesian, but as my Indonesian skills are intermediate, I may stumble over words, and she has affirmed that she would like me to read her portions of the Bible each morning. I may read in Indonesian, but my accent may ruin the flow of the text being read. But I will consider it.



Well, that still doesn't mean that God is OK with theft, as you claimed. Our government forbids murder. It also has punishments for murder. Does that mean that our government is "OK" with murder since she realises that people will probably commit murder?



Why wouldn't He? He is perfect (Matt. 5:48). Should He lower His standards because we are not perfect?



I have not had sex with my fiancee or any other woman (or man). But I will not claim to be "pure," I am a sinner like all else and I daily struggle against sinfuls desire of all kinds.

Could you please provide a reference for your claims for me to read?




Again, could you provide evidence of the "silly" made up laws that you claimed were in there? Also, my fiancee is Asian, not African.



I wrote it in the post you're responding to.



No. If you read my reply more carefully you would see that God wrote the commandments on stone, not Moses. That is clear from verse one, and from the passage in Deuteronomy 10.



There are fourteen imperatives. That is a fact, not a claim from Lutherans. I'm saying that some of the imperatives are combined into one commandment.



In eternal matters, there is only election unto salvation, but not election unto condemnation. In AFL, there is election unto grace and favour (Freo supporters) and also election unto misery (Swans supporters). One of the cases in life where 'double predestination' is a term aptly employed.




Which one of us is talking to the other as if he is superior? You have mocked my religion and now me, when I have not done so to you, other than a light-hearted jab at the footy team you follow. (It's OK, I can handle it. My life is good.)



Ok. I don't agree.

Thank you for going to all that effort. You seem a fine young man.
There is no doubt that there are some good behavior recommendations or interpretations that can be made of it in the Bible. That is so long as one is careful, not to focus on the most absurd parts. Also the strict discipline applied to the fearful life that some Christians are encouraged to embrace.

You seem to like conversing about it?
Do Lutherans believe in the fabled trinity. ( ie That you are indwelt by the "Holy Ghost" - God and creator of the Universe?)
Or is that an optional extra? ( like luxury model leather seats or special wheels for your car)

Question

If billions of people have (claim) the indwelling Holy Spirit (of the creator of the universe), then 2000 years later why hasn't someone just one (not you, but older more FULL ) demonstrated the ANY such power ?

Or LOL! do you think someone has already?

Go Freo !

PS I apologize sincerely for assuming your beautiful fiancé was not yet errr "saved", and/ or that you had engaged in sexual relations.
Sorry.

 

[Total Power]

Where from?

Luke 12:10

 

[indoistriku]

Thank you for going to all that effort. You seem a fine young man.
There is no doubt that there are some good behavior recommendations or interpretations that can be made of it in the Bible. That is so long as one is careful, not to focus on the most absurd parts. Also the strict discipline applied to the fearful life that some Christians are encouraged to embrace.

You seem to like conversing about it?
Do Lutherans believe in the fabled trinity. ( ie That you are indwelt by the "Holy Ghost" - God and creator of the Universe?)
Or is that an optional extra? ( like luxury model leather seats or special wheels for your car)

Question

If billions of people have (claim) the indwelling Holy Spirit (of the creator of the universe), then 2000 years later why hasn't someone just one (not you, but older more FULL ) demonstrated the ANY such power ?

Or LOL! do you think someone has already?

Go Freo !

PS I apologize sincerely for assuming your beautiful fiancé was not yet errr "saved", and/ or that you had engaged in sexual relations.
Sorry.

No problems at all, and thank you for your kind tone. I am not a sinless person, far from it, and I'm guilty of breaking the commandment against lustfully objectifying women, but unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of intimately knowing the woman I love -- yet.

Yes, Lutherans believe in the indwelling of the Holy Ghost (and Jesus, and God the Father) in the believer - a teaching commonly referred to as the mystical union.

This demonstrates itself mostly in sanctification, the work of the Holy Ghost in man to progressively work an aversion to sin and a life being conformed to the image of God.

I presume that you are referring to miracles? Well, I believe that the apostles performed miracles to verify that they were truly disciples of Christ and that their word and apostolic witness could be trusted. But God has not promised that we will all raise others from the dead, or speak in tongues (that is, speak in a human language that you haven't been trained in to communicate the gospel) and so on. Miracles in the Bible are actually very rare. A miracle being an unusual operation of the laws of nature. If anyone claims to be a modern apostle or prophet, my first reaction is that of scepticism.

All this to say: the indwelling of the Spirit does work in the believer daily to kill the old Adam (our sinful nature) and to nurture the new Adam (the righteous man within us). I see this everyday in Christians that I know.

 

[Evolved1]

No problems at all, and thank you for your kind tone. I am not a sinless person, far from it, and I'm guilty of breaking the commandment against lustfully objectifying women, but unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of intimately knowing the woman I love -- yet.

Yes, Lutherans believe in the indwelling of the Holy Ghost (and Jesus, and God the Father) in the believer - a teaching commonly referred to as the mystical union.

This demonstrates itself mostly in sanctification, the work of the Holy Ghost in man to progressively work an aversion to sin and a life being conformed to the image of God.

I presume that you are referring to miracles? Well, I believe that the apostles performed miracles to verify that they were truly disciples of Christ and that their word and apostolic witness could be trusted. But God has not promised that we will all raise others from the dead, or speak in tongues (that is, speak in a human language that you haven't been trained in to communicate the gospel) and so on. Miracles in the Bible are actually very rare. A miracle being an unusual operation of the laws of nature. If anyone claims to be a modern apostle or prophet, my first reaction is that of scepticism.

All this to say: the indwelling of the Spirit does work in the believer daily to kill the old Adam (our sinful nature) and to nurture the new Adam (the righteous man within us). I see this everyday in Christians that I know.

It's natural to objectify women and be objectified by women. The sexual power of women is something to admire and inspire. I tend to think that Muslim men keep women shackled behind masks because they're scared of being overpowered.

Christian men are also scared of the power of women. Really, you guys shouldn't be. There's nothing hotter than a woman who has you on a leash.

I pity those who view their natural tendencies as evil. I lustfully look at women all the time. When I see t***ies at the beach, watching gangbangs on pornhub, and even my wife bouncing around while she's riding me. There's nothing wrong with any of it.

I would have been in my element during OT times living it up with a bunch of concubines. The NT is kinda boring in comparison.

 

[Roylion]

I pity those who view their natural tendencies as evil. I lustfully look at women all the time. When I see t***ies at the beach, watching gangbangs on pornhub, and even my wife bouncing around while she's riding me. There's nothing wrong with any of it.

I would have been in my element during OT times living it up with a bunch of concubines. The NT is kinda boring in comparison.

Abraham had a concubine.
Jacob had two concubines as well as two wives.
David had at least seven wives.
The Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

 

[Total Power]

Abraham had a concubine.
Jacob had two concubines as well as two wives.
David had at least seven wives.
The Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

MoHamed contiued the tradition then...fitting right in with the Abrahamic heritage.

 

[Vdubs]

It's natural to objectify women and be objectified by women. The sexual power of women is something to admire and inspire. I tend to think that Muslim men keep women shackled behind masks because they're scared of being overpowered.

Christian men are also scared of the power of women. Really, you guys shouldn't be. There's nothing hotter than a woman who has you on a leash.

I pity those who view their natural tendencies as evil. I lustfully look at women all the time. When I see t***ies at the beach, watching gangbangs on pornhub, and even my wife bouncing around while she's riding me. There's nothing wrong with any of it.

I would have been in my element during OT times living it up with a bunch of concubines. The NT is kinda boring in comparison.

It's interesting working in a Psychiatric ward as a student many years ago and seeing many patients with chronic schizophrenia, etc.- one of the recurring themes was guilt and hangups about such issues.

 

[Total Power]

It's natural to objectify women and be objectified by women. The sexual power of women is something to admire and inspire. I tend to think that Muslim men keep women shackled behind masks because they're scared of being overpowered.

Christian men are also scared of the power of women. Really, you guys shouldn't be. There's nothing hotter than a woman who has you on a leash.

I pity those who view their natural tendencies as evil. I lustfully look at women all the time. When I see t***ies at the beach, watching gangbangs on pornhub, and even my wife bouncing around while she's riding me. There's nothing wrong with any of it.

I would have been in my element during OT times living it up with a bunch of concubines. The NT is kinda boring in comparison.

You are truly an Evolved 1. Respect! Vast majority of these primitive stone age Biblical morality been discarded, for good.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I must say that I truly appreciate the patience of Roylion, Gethelred, chelseacarlton, Total Power, ferball, Corpuscles, Obese Arachnid, SBD Gonzalez, and several other non-Christians in their respectful and intelligent discourse with Christians here.

I've learned a lot from you guys.

Learned from me!

I will add I had Jo Jo Witless interaction many years ago as people posted earlier.

Sunday morning, hungover those pricks are knocking on the door again. I step over a mate who's been experimenting with different religions. You know he's pissed on the blood of christ & Rastafarian his lungs out.

I open the door & they want to bless my house, no wuckers I say, thanks guys & close the door.

They knock again & I open the door, they say well "can we come in & bless the house?"

To which I respond, "Can't you do it from outside the house, I have to get back to bed & enjoy my hangover!"

 

[Total Power]

Spotted Vdubs and his merry men's car rental in the US ..sorry VD, don't report me to Vicpol please mate for stalking.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Why didn't god write the bible?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Vdubs]

Spotted Vdubs and his merry men's car rental in the US ..sorry VD, don't report me to Vicpol please mate for stalking.

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Would have LOVED this if it was a VW Kombi

 

[ferball]

Beats the one that used to be on the Gold Coast with It puts the lotion on its skin painted along the side.

 

[ferball]

Anyway serious question...

How is this any less of a valid religious statement than anything in the Bible (or any other religious book for that matter.)