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God decides who lives. Simple fact.
We know we will all die.
I can only assume that the fact I am still alive, God has not yet finished with me in this life. To each day, I am thankful, and that is how i start each day- a prayer of thanks.
There have always been doctors in some form, and this has EVOLVED in sophistication over the centuries.
Hitler was mid 50's when he suicided- not a long life. Eddie Jaku is over 100yo.
explain your confident assertion please.
You missed the entire point, i don't mean you cant live without enjoying life. Everyone has their own definition of what enjoyment is, however there is one non-negotiable for me and that is conscience.
Because the idea of a God would have no use if you couldn't control people through fear. Over thousands of years religion was pushed to legitimatize kings, obedience and violence.
You can all those things you listed but what you can't do is live freely, which is the most important thing in life, live true to your conscience. You believe you will be going to hell if you don't follow your deity, this is not living freely, nor living according to your conscience. I am truly free you are not. I have my own sense of morality which stems from empathy.
I think a question people should ask themselves within Christianity is... if there was no Heaven or promise of eternity would you still choose to follow the God of the Bible? I'd wager that the majority of Christians only believe out of the fear of Hell. Many will try to dress it up and make it look like that isn't the case but in my experience it ALMOST always the case.
All of that may be true.Cool, so atheists in Scandinavia have the highest life expectancy in the world.
Some of the devout Christian nations in Africa are the lowest.
You should thank materialist science for your life and not God. You are lucky to be born in a secular country where religion is irrelevant.
Good question.
I really don't understand the concept of heaven, and what happens here to a rejuvenated earth and to the people promised the kingdom of heaven when Jesus does return.
But I do believe in God creating all things, and that He always was.
I can not imagine our level of sophistication being purely due to evolution, albeit the fact that there has indeed been significant evolution to get us here.
You say that your sense of morality stems from empathy. That is not unique to you, and indeed most people would regard that as part of their modus operandi.
But you can't empathise in all situations.
And I certainly know in my own case, having a relationship with Jesus/God has heightened my sense of conscience on a moment by moment basis. Of course I still sin, but it doesn't own me.
You said God decides everything. Where is the evidence that belief in Jesus or having a relationship with Jesus improves lives? Outside of personal anecdotes of well to do white people from first world countries or priviledged people in 3rd world countries? why don't you look at the Top 10 happiest country in the world and tell me which one is majority Christian? NONE. We have Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland , Denmark all in the top 10 who are 90%+ atheist. They are also the richest per capita, their lifestyle is also amongst the best the world, they have empathy, they share and care, they have built a model society for everyone to look up to where poverty and misery is non existent (almost), all for an atheistic country. So no God is needed without having to kill each other, without having to steal, rape, murder, have slaves etc right?All of that may be true.
Has no impact on the reality of God, or having faith in Him, imho.
I’d ******* like the joint to burn to the ground so I could piss on the ashes.they let anyone in there?
Is religion the original conspiracy theory?
So, if God decides who lives, why seek out medical treatment?God decides who lives. Simple fact.
We know we will all die.
I can only assume that the fact I am still alive, God has not yet finished with me in this life. To each day, I am thankful, and that is how i start each day- a prayer of thanks.
There have always been doctors in some form, and this has EVOLVED in sophistication over the centuries.
Hitler was mid 50's when he suicided- not a long life. Eddie Jaku is over 100yo.
So, if God decides who lives, why seek out medical treatment?
I can't get past the ultimatum.
"jesus died for you and he loves you. Worship him, follow him and repent or you'll be tortured forever. Oh, and Jesus isn't dead."
It's just so silly.
I'm sure Jesus is/was a top bloke but I reckon when he gets back he is gonna be pissed at what the crew has done with the joint!
Your defense of the indefensible is typical of victims of abuse. Battered women speak of their partners and defend them in the same way you do with your abusive god.explain your confident assertion please.
Says it all really, I feel like I’m listening to Scummo in the foyer of his paedophile hillsong church.
... could you elaborate, please? Where specifically has your god intervened, with particular bearing towards Chinese society?
Why eat? Why drink? Why sleep?So, if God decides who lives, why seek out medical treatment?
Isn't that your gods job?
Do you think you are a god?
You guys have been looking after everything else for a few centuries now. And how has that been going? Let me help you there - it is an absolute clusterfu**.
We have Big Pharma, Big Tech, Big Oil etc...and then we have the Big Daddy that presides over the whole 'sh*t show'...Big Church.
Why eat? Why drink? Why sleep?
Why obey road traffic rules?
Why obey any of our God-given rules that help people live?
God has given. us doctors and nurses. Not all medical conditions lead to death.
Are you seriously asking that question?
Yep.Why eat? Why drink? Why sleep?
Why obey road traffic rules?
Why obey any of our God-given rules that help people live?
God has given. us doctors and nurses. Not all medical conditions lead to death.
Are you seriously asking that question?
Nooooope.Atheist society . Point missed
You claim those con tries are 90 % atheist. That is debatable.You said God decides everything. Where is the evidence that belief in Jesus or having a relationship with Jesus improves lives? Outside of personal anecdotes of well to do white people from first world countries or priviledged people in 3rd world countries? why don't you look at the Top 10 happiest country in the world and tell me which one is majority Christian? NONE. We have Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland , Denmark all in the top 10 who are 90%+ atheist. They are also the richest per capita, their lifestyle is also amongst the best the world, they have empathy, they share and care, they have built a model society for everyone to look up to where poverty and misery is non existent (almost), all for an atheistic country. So no God is needed without having to kill each other, without having to steal, rape, murder, have slaves etc right?
So where is your evidence that Christians are better off? So no God is necessary to build a model society? right? now look at the top 10 most miserable and corrupted countries in the world. You will see more than half of them are majority Christian, why?
So why Christian countries outside of the West are so terrible? Suffering at it's worst! but you claim God has changed so many lives, just never in one of these 3rd world countries....think about it.
If you look at the evidence, it's just not there. Saying 'i believe this is the case' is not supported by evidence. No one is stopping you from believing what you want to, but the evidence that BELIEF and relationship with god reaps benefit is a pie in the sky, you see what you want to and it's not just application for christians, followers of all religions believe this. Take the blinkers off and smell the coffee.
Not debatable, the number is actually higher, i am a citizen of Sweden (along with Australia too). No one here believes in Bible/Christ/Allah etc. NONE. In all my time in Sweden i know about 20 people who are Christians and that's being generous.You claim those con tries are 90 % atheist. That is debatable.
And the parameters used to formulate the Happy Score are interesting.
Since 2002, the World Happiness Report has detailed the world's happiest countries based on several factors. As of 2020, the World Happiness Report determined that Finland is the happiest country in the world.
The report looks at countries with respect to their performance of six particular variables:
By relating all of the countries around the world individually to a made-up country called Dystopia, the researchers were able to configure a baseline to compare all other countries. This enabled the study to base the conclusions on rather than not providing any rock bottom.
- Gross domestic product per capita
- Social support
- Healthy life expectancy
- Freedom to make your own life choices
- Generosity of the general population
- Perceptions of internal and external corruption levels
Secondly , you copy pasted without understanding the system here, under national Laws, you must register with the church (19th century law). I have registerd my sons with the luteran church of Sweden under law. In 2014 79.8% of Finns were members of the evangelical lutheran state religion, Folkekirken, but only 2.4% say they attend weekly mass
The country with the highest score was Finland, which is a European country. Fascinating enough, every single country in the top five spots for happiest countries in the world are European countries. Finland is followed in order by Denmark, Norway, Iceland, and the Netherlands. All six variables are considered when defining a score for each country.
The lowest-scoring country in the World Happiness Report of 2020 is Afghanistan. With a total ranking of 2.567, Afghanistan has a low life expectancy rate, paired with low gross domestic product rates per capita.
Finland is a predominantly Christian nation where 68.7% of the 5.5 million overall population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland (Protestant), 28.5% are unaffiliated, 1.1% are Orthodox Christians and 0.8% follow other religions like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, folk religion etc.
Can't stress on this enough, all my reasoning here have failed, i have quoted verses where Jesus said on FOUR different occasions NOT to follow him if they still have material possessions, not to follow him if they don't feed the hungry and the poor, NOT to follow him, unless they care for the sick. All fallen in deaf ears. Vdubs thinks belief and repent is enough to get a pass to eternal life just like MSM christians believe. The other 5.5 billion people are........ well i have explained a 100 times here what happens to the unbelievers.
Come on, yOu can and must do better than that. Just your own personal knowledge of people is irrelevant. Facts are facts. Just like you claiMing my knowledge of numbers of Christians would be biased by who I know.Not debatable, the number is actually higher, i am a citizen of Sweden (along with Australia too). No one here believes in Bible/Christ/Allah etc. NONE. In all my time in Sweden i know about 20 people who are Christians and that's being generous.
Whatelse would you use as a metric? health, corruption, social support, wealth, frreedom.....whatelse do you need? how do you build a society like that through religion? answer: you cannot.