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What is amazing is how you consistently credit posters (Christians- me) with words I haven't actually said.
When did I call anyone here arrogant?
Here?
.But to have the arrogance to say I would live my life purely as I want to, with disregard for God and His ways, does not sit well with me.
Even in all the pages here, which you may have read, there is scorn and derision about God and Jesus. People are so arrogant and self made and self sufficient now, at their own peril. They think they are God within themselves, and that science and evolution explains everything.
In saying that we believe Jesus is THE WAY to God, that is what is taught in the Bible. Basic truth. That is not arrogance, just because we know it to be the truth.
I don't care how many times you have read the Good Book- it is clear it's a chore for you, and not edifying for you.
If you want the Bible to come alive for you, go back to Jesus.
The Holy Spirit allows the Bible to inspire you, and passages will hit you like never before.
Without the Spirit, you will be a nit-picker and bored as!!
You continually miss the whole point of a relationship with Jesus, and the liberation that brings about in believers, the peace of mind, seeing the world the way He did. It is NOT popular, and not alluring to those who don't have a yearning to know God. And there are impostors. But it is the way.
I don't know where or how or why you fell out, but what we do know it is you who walked away, not God. The offer is always there to return.
Great words and clip.
All I see is anger at words in the OT . You should edit this post dramatically. Line 1, last paragraph.What you think of this verse?
Deuteronomy 21: "18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."
Remember god wants you to be obedient...just follow the advice!
LOL sad, quite sad! and you have the cheek to ask 'i don't know how you turned away from the Bible'.
Maybe cause i don't glorify murder, incest, rape, infanticide, slavery by saying it's god so he can do anything but reward collecting foreskin, not shaving, not eating shellfish, deity worship etc?
I ask you again, assuming your deity exists, why the **** would you follow such a c@nt? if i idolise someone i must be certain of his character. You don't even know what this deity is like, from the Bible it's apparent he got his priorities in a tangle, the reason why most Christians have abandoned the OT. It's best you do the same too.
cause i simply couldn't understand how can you call this deity kind
The first reference to arrogance was about ME, but in your usual anger, you edit poorly.and here
Do you even read what you post? others are arrogant but you claiming Christian supremacy over every other religion and above 5.5 billion people, claiming Jesus is the ONLY way to God is not arrogant? Mankind is misguided apparently, but exclusivist Supremacist position is not arrogance? you are the Nazi equivalent of organised religion.
It is arrogant to say this is the ONLY way to god. It's not about what you believe, it's about what you dismiss. Why do you think other religions are not the way to god and Christianity is the one and only true religion? effectively if you deny this, your whole cult will fall away as then you are denying Jesus is not the only to way which you claimed all along that it is. Either way you are doomed, you are better off pretending not to be supremacist and present your true self.
There is no one christian belief, like you think it is. I think before and after i read. Unlike you. You think sin is the reason for disease and natural disaster. You think sin is why we fall, yet you are not able to tell us what 'sin' is and what the character of your deity is.
You may convince halfwits or children with is, you will never convince the thinking and critical types with this.
Absurd simply absurd. But isn't the god supposed to be all knowing and the ultimate form of intelligence that we can't even begin to fathom? So he must possess some ability to empathize with humans in the first place... If he is all knowing and all powerful god he shouldn't have to carry out an experiment, he should know the result of the experiment before doing it.
God is a jerk in the OT! He banishes Adam and Eve, smites people, fire and brimstone, earthquakes, floods, etc. But God is all knowing right? So why doesn't he understand? And why is he so angry?
Simple example one of the reasons (out of 1 million) i walked away:
Psalm 137:9
Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder."
You don't see a problem with the 2 verses above? do you parrot? Remember , be obedient! start getting blessed! why don't you? and see where you end up...i dare you to find the context of this verse.
just because we know it to be the truth.
It was boring, christians are bloody boring, arrogant and mostly stupid in regards to their stupid beliefs,I'm glad you stuck it out and watched all of it.
1. Why would god be offended by my actions? I regularly find beheaded mice around my home yet that doesn't offend me because it's natural behaviour for cats to torture and kill mice.1. God is offended by those who stray, and ridicule, and He exists.
2. At what stage? That's a very open-ended question. It is not always the parent who needs to say sorry. It can be up to the child to see the light.
3. Ridiculous. Again, trying to compare a mere man with God when it comes to anything, including parenting, is a farce. And I thought you said God does not exist??
Again, this is you airing superiority to God which is not stupid, but outrageous.If a god/gods/deities are able to get offended, they are not gods, end of story.
As I said, stupid beliefs are stupid!
Threads on the SRP show a similar pattern, in that those devoted to political figures and religions generally attract critics. You've misread the room if you think we're searching.Again, this is you airing superiority to God which is not stupid, but outrageous.
If you have no belief at all in a Creator of mankind, why are you asking Christians questions, or rather metaphorically, trying to shoot them down?
Glad you keep asking because although you broadcast anger and derision, it suggests you are still searching, which is good
I am superior to your imaginary god and everyone that isn’t a moron is superior, here is the greatest testament to the glory that your disgraceful god existing is evil....enjoy god boi!!!!!Again, this is you airing superiority to God which is not stupid, but outrageous.
If you have no belief at all in a Creator of mankind, why are you asking Christians questions, or rather metaphorically, trying to shoot them down?
Glad you keep asking because although you broadcast anger and derision, it suggests you are still searching, which is good
Christians are sinners, humans; we all are. God is perfection. Jesus was the only ever perfect sinless man that existed.“You piece of sh*t”
There is your god, MATE!
lol i am angry? fancy cursing his whole creation cause 2 people pissed him off. Fancy drowning the whole creation cause you know, people sin cause of the curse, then....fancy killing children cause the children called someone bald...and i am angry? Fancy killing an entire tribe, cattles, animals any living thing included cause god didn't get what he wanted with his own creation worshipping him (how ironic for omnipotence). Fancy killing all the children in the country cause god was pissed off with one man....and i am angry?All I see is anger at words in the OT . You should edit this post dramatically. Line 1, last paragraph.
The first reference to arrogance was about ME, but in your usual anger, you edit poorly.
The second reference to arrogance was to people in general who behave as described.
The rest of your gibberish is, as usual, you trying to explain God from your very limited human pov.
He has been asking for it for a while. Putting words in peoples mouth, flat out denying things he said 2 pages ago, he is doing it all the time. Apparently we are all searching for a Christian God. How is that not putting words in peoples mouth? Those of us who have escaped organised religion , why on earth do we want to go back to it? but according to him, we must orelse...I wouldn't bother if they are getting flat out rude to you there #vdubs. It's getting a bit pearls before swine in here.
Christians are sinners, humans; we all are. God is perfection. Jesus was the only ever perfect sinless man that existed.
It's a book written by people 3000 plus years ago. Particularly Deuteronomy reflects some ancient values of an ancient people. You have to read that in context. It is not a green light for stoning and raping in the current day, read with a little discernment.Perfection personified:
“If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.” (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
Or
“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
Lmao what the hell. Imagine if this was the actual law. Epstein and Trump would be married to underage women.
But I suppose somewhere in the bible there's a verse promoting pedophilia as well with all the other garbage. How can people read the bible and still believe. It's "gods word" .
Totally not written by people thousands of years ago when women were little better than slaves.
That's fine, but a few posters get a bit out of line I think.He has been asking for it for a while. Putting words in peoples mouth, flat out denying things he said 2 pages ago, he is doing it all the time. Apparently we are all searching for a Christian God. How is that not putting words in peoples mouth? Those of us who have escaped organised religion , why on earth do we want to go back to it? but according to him, we must orelse...
It's frustrating trying to debate a fundamentalist like him. Almost presents no scriptural argument, just your usual tele-evanglical arguments i get in central London almost every week, without fail. We are here to debate, not to convince anyone. I for one is not looking to convince that he is deluded, despite overwhelming evidence. Do you really believe 5.5 billion people are going to hell for not accepting Jesus? how moronic could your faith be to believe in such nonsense? i don't even know any Christian who believes in such nonsense.
Or in modern terms "see those goalposts, I'm going to shift them over there because they don't make any sense where they are now"It's a book written by people 3000 plus years ago. Particularly Deuteronomy reflects some ancient values of an ancient people. You have to read that in context. It is not a green light for stoning and raping in the current day, read with a little discernment.
Stories that old can hardly be compared with anything else, just because they don't exist. That's why the old testament is great - it is the link to the stories of our ancient ancestors.
If your main beef is with the bible, then don't worry about it. It is of course a very important book to Christians, but it is by no means the only book. Have a crack at a bit of christian mysticism. Less dogma, more east meets west meditation/prayer used to tap into the transcendental God.
It's a book written by people 3000 plus years ago.
Particularly Deuteronomy reflects some ancient values of an ancient people. You have to read that in context. It is not a green light for stoning and raping in the current day, read with a little discernment.