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I thought he was coherent. Moreover, this isn’t a science thread
Would I need to be ashamed if that were my belief? Is that your objective in this public discussion; to ridicule someone’s statement of believe?How was he coherent asserting asexual organisms are a single sex animal? sexes came a lot later.
Maybe you believe in the same? don't be ashamed now.
Would I need to be ashamed if that were my belief? Is that your objective in this public discussion; to ridicule someone’s statement of believe?
You suggested that to do so may be shamefulWhere did i ridicule? i merely pointed out him picking on Roylion 's argument is based on his lack of understanding in science. He should educate himself and then discuss. No one is born knowing everything, you need to educate yourself. Plenty of times in these forums i have admitted i was wrong, which most don't do here cause of ego.
You suggested that to do so may be shameful
I appreciate the thoughtful reply, freo.Hi Evolved a Lot of what I say may sound like splitting hairs but I have put a lot of thought into most
of what I believe.
1st religious beliefs being an extension of the self, maybe for some but as I understand scripture mans
nature from Gods perspective is innately evil. While we can do good things our nature is such we are inevitably
and consistently drawn to our more base way of living.
eg suppose that our existence is down to there being a God. A quick read anywhere including this forum + that
article would show people criticising God because He doesn’t measure up.
I would also make a point as I see it there are 2 MAIN types of people who see themselves as Christians.
One is the cultural Christian, quite often but not always they have been raised in the church and with
every fibre of their being see themselves as Christians. Then there are those who are born again or have a
spiritual rebirth, as per John 3, if scripture is right these are the only people that really are Christians.
Yes you are right we are supposed to look after the planet, as well as each other and have failed badly
at this. (But not in a socialist government welfare sense)
Jesus will have a real Theocracy here on Earth but only after He returns. Yes we will still have free will,
but everything will be different, there will be no more sin or sin nature.
Making the Bible say what you want is not just restricted to abortion just about everyone seems
to do this at some level, whether consciously or not.
Anyone who can make an argument that He doesn’t care whether we kill babies or not has not
one iota of understanding who He is.
The only good + virtuous people being Christ like, you are right on the money here. We can never be
good enough that’s half of the gospel message.
You’ve done some homework, many people who see themselves as christians don’t see this.
I think the sword is figurative but the blood isn’t.
ps on coal, it is a dirty fuel and the sooner people stop using it the better.
on slavery yes we abolished it, + it even took until the 1960s to pressure Saudi Arabia to outlaw it,
but it is still thriving today in many parts of the world.
EverythingI appreciate the thoughtful reply, freo.
Did any of your values change when you became born again?
Could you elaborate on several topics, preferably with an explanation of how and why your values changed. The topics I'm most interested in are coal/global warming, the value of science vs faith, pro-choice vs pro-life, legality of gay marriage.Everything
Can you please write a cogent legible sentence or idea, please?Well on the scientific evidence, where is it.
I mean actual scientific evidence, everyone has a barrow to push and generally choose
to believe that which suits them.
Today the vast majority (like the rest of society are atheists) of scientists are not immune from this.
see the famous Richard Lewonton quote re keeping the divine foot out of the door.
Im going to assume you understand the Neo-Darwinian model.
If life started out as a simple single sex animal, with all the genetic infrastructure to reproduce itself,
then how did that evolve from that model to one that is interdependent on reproduction.
You need to think about this.
You have a single sex which then somehow goes on to be interdependent for reproduction.
eg pairing the chromosomes.
This is not within the realms of possibility, not only that but it would need everything that goes on with
conception, gestation and birth (birth canal etc.) at the same instant.
If this miraculous creation had both sexes, then they would have to have identical mutations
across all species in perpetuity to perpetuate.
In the entire history of animal husbandry no new creation has ever happened.
I thought he was coherent.
Moreover, this isn’t a science thread
I’m not going to argue with you Roy. I enjoy reading your posts far too much.I don't think so. He says.....
"You dont even understand what I’ve written do you, you haven’t contended with it at all."
If he was coherent in what he was trying to say, then I would understand it.
A discussion of science (and why and how scientists establish certain things as facts) becomes relevant when one rejects what is well known as scientific fact on the basis of their relgious belief (which is what this thread is about).
Bolded (lol).Would I need to be ashamed if that were my belief? Is that your objective in this public discussion; to ridicule someone’s statement of believe?
You choose not to argue because you are incapable of countering, not because you enjoy, be ******* honest man, FFS, man up!I’m not going to argue with you Roy. I enjoy reading your posts far too much.
I can’t speak for others but in my case it took a couple of days to realise it was real.Could you elaborate on several topics, preferably with an explanation of how and why your values changed. The topics I'm most interested in are coal/global warming, the value of science vs faith, pro-choice vs pro-life, legality of gay marriage.
I can’t speak for others but in my case it took a couple of days to realise it was real.
That changed how I thought but I still didn’t know anything.
all of the founding fathers of the different sciences were
christians. Science itself is neutral about God, if it’s not neutral your not doing science you’re doing
philosophy.
Appreciate the thoughtful reply once again, mate. I'm a little rusty on the topic, but I think I can make a case for being pro-choice using the bible. I'll do a bit of research and see if I can come up with anything interesting.I can’t speak for others but in my case it took a couple of days to realise it was real.
That changed how I thought but I still didn’t know anything.
I know this sounds foolish but that’s what happened.
On issues which seems to be your question.
There is no contention between science + God, all of the founding fathers of the different sciences were
christians. Science itself is neutral about God, if it’s not neutral your not doing science you’re doing
philosophy.
If you take the Old Testament as historical, which I do, it then explains everything.
Anything outside of the nature of God is sin. Not popular but there it is.
Killing babies is wrong and murder is wrong obviously.
Homosexuality is more complicated as to why it is wrong, it goes back to the original
creation of Adam + Eve.
Coal is a dirty fuel, it’s not the CO2 that’s the real problem as I see it but the soot or carbon
deposits that are generated + contribute more to global warming.
Hugh Ross is an astronomer + he is across much of the science including global warming.
He has a lot on Youtube.
As for the age of the universe I have no problem with an old universe, many christians
do but quite a few don’t.
As I see it, it accords well with the historical record.
Hope this helps, I know I’ve stuck my neck out.
Bolded (lol).
Yes, because it’s ******* stupid, idiotic, wrong and downright ******* offensive to anyone with an IQ over double digit figures.
This is why Scummo wants a religious fu****** bill, so fu**silly people like you and him can continue to muddy the reality we have to share!
It’s annoying that you pretend to be someone feigning to protect yours and your parents and his, detestable christ-cult beliefs, shame on you mate, grow up and grow a pair, I’m ashamed to wear the CFC at any game you attend wearing the same.
I’d burn it knowing you do.
That’s how I feel, contrarian nonsense or not.
Here comes a 5 day, but it is totes worth it.
I’ve had more fun at the Tote than any christ-cult moron has in their entire life in one 3 band night, that’s reality.
They hate culture, art and love.
Christians hate LOVE, if love doesn’t mean jew-boi, they ******* hate you, they are trying to silence our objections to their collective stupidity, I won’t allow this to happen and will challenge it in the High Court.
This is only the beginning of the cults downfall.
Challenge secular society and expect the majority to resist, violently if necessary, lawfully until you necessarily become violent as history has always shown.
Happy Yuletide, heathens.
Mate, we'll give you a good home at Essendon if you ever want out of Carlton. That goes for Gethelred too.Bolded (lol).
Yes, because it’s ******* stupid, idiotic, wrong and downright ******* offensive to anyone with an IQ over double digit figures.
This is why Scummo wants a religious fu****** bill, so fu**silly people like you and him can continue to muddy the reality we have to share!
It’s annoying that you pretend to be someone feigning to protect yours and your parents and his, detestable christ-cult beliefs, shame on you mate, grow up and grow a pair, I’m ashamed to wear the CFC at any game you attend wearing the same.
I’d burn it knowing you do.
That’s how I feel, contrarian nonsense or not.
Here comes a 5 day, but it is totes worth it.
I’ve had more fun at the Tote than any christ-cult moron has in their entire life in one 3 band night, that’s reality.
They hate culture, art and love.
Christians hate LOVE, if love doesn’t mean jew-boi, they ******* hate you, they are trying to silence our objections to their collective stupidity, I won’t allow this to happen and will challenge it in the High Court.
This is only the beginning of the cults downfall.
Challenge secular society and expect the majority to resist, violently if necessary, lawfully until you necessarily become violent as history has always shown.
Happy Yuletide, heathens.
I don't know about pro-choice, that goes back to the agreed definition of life (is it conception or birth?). There is an argument that babies become spiritually awakened when they breathe their first breath (as in Genesis), but I don't think any faiths have adopted that.Appreciate the thoughtful reply once again, mate. I'm a little rusty on the topic, but I think I can make a case for being pro-choice using the bible. I'll do a bit of research and see if I can come up with anything interesting.
If you take the Old Testament as historical, which I do, it then explains everything.
Anything outside of the nature of God is sin.
Killing babies is wrong and murder is wrong obviously.
Homosexuality is more complicated as to why it is wrong, it goes back to the original creation of Adam + Eve.
Guess againParts of the Old Testament are historical (such as some of the information in the Book of Kings and the Chronicles), but we can definitely rule out Adam and Eve and a global flood as historical events / personages.
Archaeological discoveries have cast considerable doubt on the historicity of the Exodus and the Israelite / Hebrew invasion of Canaan as outlined in the Book of Joshua. Archaeology supports the view that the Hebrews were originally a hill tribe of Canaanites. Archaeology also reveals that some of those very same cities listed in the Book of Joshua (the events of which should take place in the Late Bronze Age - 1550 BC - 1150 BC) were only inhabited much later in the 7th century BC.
Guess again
Look there is no point in engaging with you, you took it upon yourself to interject intoAre you disputing any of what I've said? Present your evidence as to why these can be regarded as historical events.
There is absolutely no evidence for the 'creation' of Adam and Eve as the first persons / couple on the planet from which all humanity is descended. I've explained elsewhere how genetic studies have ruled out any such event.