Coach Assistant coach changes for 2020

[regpies]

So Hocking is basically demoted? He was the stoppages assistant, Harvey was the midfield coach. Seemed to be some overlap there, our stoppages set up at times has been terrible.

 

[Jen2310]

So Hocking is basically demoted? He was the stoppages assistant, Harvey was the midfield coach. Seemed to be some overlap there, our stoppages set up at times has been terrible.

Thinking it's more about Hocking having more coaching experience in state leagues; having won a premiership while coaching Port Adelaide.

 

[swoop42]

If we're going in with one less coach then I hope we redirect that money into our sports science / medical department.

 

[NeverWobble]

Interesting. Don’t mind having 1 less coach to be honest. Hard to judge from the outside. Without knowing Sando and Harvey’s roles for next year I’m hoping this means we are giving a bit more responsibility to our on field leaders and the players themselves to organise things and change things up when needed.
My only concern is will the core group of Bucks, Sanderson, Harvey be a bit more daring.
What’s Maxy’s Job description? Don’t think he’s listed as an assistant coach but seems pretty involved from the sidelines.

 

[Soups]

ah ok it was boyd as backline coach
dont mind that but im not sure why we constantly get players to coach in positions they never played
longmuir was a forward/ruck - defensive coach (admittedly he did brilliantly)
boyd was a midfielder - defensive coach (he occasionally ran off half back i suppose)
anthony rocca was a full forward - ruck coach

ill back these blokes in. but any chance of doing something that makes sense?

A good footy brain is all I care about, not what position they played.

 

[gerryg400]

Interesting. Don’t mind having 1 less coach to be honest. Hard to judge from the outside. Without knowing Sando and Harvey’s roles for next year I’m hoping this means we are giving a bit more responsibility to our on field leaders and the players themselves to organise things and change things up when needed.
My only concern is will the core group of Bucks, Sanderson, Harvey be a bit more daring.
What’s Maxy’s Job description? Don’t think he’s listed as an assistant coach but seems pretty involved from the sidelines.

And occasionally a metre or so over the sideline.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

It all seems rather underwhelming............I'm sure Boyd will be a capable backs coach and would've learned a lot off Longmuir. But the ruck/stoppage area is screaming out for some specialist help.

 

[jsdsgn]

A good footy brain is all I care about, not what position they played.

but my point being where have these blokes learned this stuff. im sure darren glass would be a good defensive coach because thats where he always played, but im not sure about someone whos been taught backline tactics within like 1 year. would you recruit mick martyn as a forward coach? no.

 

[Soups]

but my point being where have these blokes learned this stuff. im sure darren glass would be a good defensive coach because thats where he always played, but im not sure about someone whos been taught backline tactics within like 1 year. would you recruit mick martyn as a forward coach? no.

Just because they didn’t play there doesn’t mean they don’t understand the position and how it’s played. Like I said it comes down to your footy brain and how you can coach and implement a game style that will work for the players.

 

[jsdsgn]

yea

Just because they didn’t play there doesn’t mean they don’t understand the position and how it’s played. Like I said it comes down to your footy brain and how you can coach and implement a game style that will work for the players.

yeah i agree and am well aware of this
let me give you a situation. You are tasked with recruiting a whole coaching staff. You have two options at each position:

Backline coach: Stephen Silvagni or Tony Lockett
Midfield Coach: Chris Judd or Matthew Scarlett
Forward coach: Jason Dunstall or Mick Martyn
Ruck Coach: Dean Cox or Brent harvey

Now youre taking SOS, Judd, Dunstall and Cox every time
i know this is a very exaggerated situation, but it illustrates my point. Collingwood always seems to recruit left-field options on their coaching staff and barring Longmuir i think it has cost us. Its the reason our ruck has worse connection with the midfield than a telstra line. Anthony Rocca rucked a total of about 5 minutes in his career. He may understand the position well, but nowhere near as much as Dean Cox or Brad Ottens etc.

 

[Jabso]

So Hocking is basically demoted? He was the stoppages assistant, Harvey was the midfield coach. Seemed to be some overlap there, our stoppages set up at times has been terrible.

I'm not sure it's a demotion these days. The path to senior coaching is a lot more varied. Fagan for example was a list manager at Hawthorn.
It sounds like he wants that role to be honest and if his old role no longer exists he might very well be on the same money anyway.

Interesting. Don’t mind having 1 less coach to be honest. Hard to judge from the outside. Without knowing Sando and Harvey’s roles for next year I’m hoping this means we are giving a bit more responsibility to our on field leaders and the players themselves to organise things and change things up when needed.
My only concern is will the core group of Bucks, Sanderson, Harvey be a bit more daring.
What’s Maxy’s Job description? Don’t think he’s listed as an assistant coach but seems pretty involved from the sidelines.

He's the Leadership and Culture Manager. He works across all teams (AFLW, VFL, VFLW, Netball). I'm not sure if he answers to Geoff Walsh or perhaps even directly to Anderson, but he's certainly separate to the coaching panel. I think he's only involved on game day to monitor communication between players/coaches etc. I believe he still works for Melbourne Storm in a similar role too.

 

[Jabso]

It all seems rather underwhelming............I'm sure Boyd will be a capable backs coach and would've learned a lot off Longmuir. But the ruck/stoppage area is screaming out for some specialist help.

He did earn one of his 3 All Australian places as a defender.

 

[Help My Club]

And occasionally a metre or so over the sideline.

Interesting. Don’t mind having 1 less coach to be honest. Hard to judge from the outside. Without knowing Sando and Harvey’s roles for next year I’m hoping this means we are giving a bit more responsibility to our on field leaders and the players themselves to organise things and change things up when needed.
My only concern is will the core group of Bucks, Sanderson, Harvey be a bit more daring.
What’s Maxy’s Job description? Don’t think he’s listed as an assistant coach but seems pretty involved from the sidelines.

Interesting comment regarding a bit more daring. A bit of sameness perhaps.

 

[regpies]

If we're going in with one less coach then I hope we redirect that money into our sports science / medical department.

I think recruiting, player development and medical are the most important parts of a club.

Nail those departments and an average coach can be made to look good. Have poor recruiting staff, poor development and Dr Nick Riviera in charge of sports science and even Clarkson would stand no chance.

 

[shizzle]

I'm pretty happy with the appointment of Selwood, seems like a bloke who had to lean on his footy smarts quite heavily rather than natural ability. Could be quite an astute pick up. I really hope he has some input in regards to midfield and stoppages, regardless of his title as "development coach".

Boyd I was also a fan of when he joined us, and being promoted into an assistant role is a good thing, an absolute warrior on the field and hard as a cats head, also played a significant role in unifying the Bulldogs team that at one part was quite fractured. I think he'll do well.

Harvey yet again avoids the cull, despite his lack of results and lack of voice on the track, the epitome of a vanilla soft spoken mr nice guy. He's like a kid the adoption agency just can't find a home for, becomes part of the furniture.

 

[NeverWobble]

I'm not sure it's a demotion these days. The path to senior coaching is a lot more



He's the Leadership and Culture Manager. He works across all teams (AFLW, VFL, VFLW, Netball). I'm not sure if he answers to Geoff Walsh or perhaps even directly to Anderson, but he's certainly separate to the coaching panel. I think he's only involved on game day to monitor communication between players/coaches etc. I believe he still works for Melbourne Storm in a similar role too.

Thanks for the info re Maxwell. Much appreciated Jabso

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

He did earn one of his 3 All Australian places as a defender.

Yep - although my post was a little bit "Meh" the reason I mentioned Boyd is because it's the one positive I could see.............I think he might do well.

I thought we might do a bit more than that though - overall one LESS coach and no changes in midfield/stoppage aside from losing Buddha.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Scott Selwood is a great pick up.

He is loved by everyone that knows him

 

[Kirby]

He did earn one of his 3 All Australian places as a defender.

and played the last 3 to 4 seasons of his career as a defender.......

 

[Soups]

yea

yeah i agree and am well aware of this
let me give you a situation. You are tasked with recruiting a whole coaching staff. You have two options at each position:

Backline coach: Stephen Silvagni or Tony Lockett
Midfield Coach: Chris Judd or Matthew Scarlett
Forward coach: Jason Dunstall or Mick Martyn
Ruck Coach: Dean Cox or Brent harvey

Now youre taking SOS, Judd, Dunstall and Cox every time
i know this is a very exaggerated situation, but it illustrates my point. Collingwood always seems to recruit left-field options on their coaching staff and barring Longmuir i think it has cost us. Its the reason our ruck has worse connection with the midfield than a telstra line. Anthony Rocca rucked a total of about 5 minutes in his career. He may understand the position well, but nowhere near as much as Dean Cox or Brad Ottens etc.

Yeah maybe in a perfect world. Not all the past time greats make good coaches.

 

[jsdsgn]

Yeah maybe in a perfect world. Not all the past time greats make good coaches.

Yep that was beside the fact though. I was talking theoretically from a knowledge point of view

 

[barrackers]

Looks to be a return to “normal” structure with just the one assistant for each line. Wonder if Rivers would have got the promotion given to Boyd if he didn’t cross to NM?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Harvey has been interviewed for Crows job.

Crows interview Robert Harvey for senior coaching role

The Adelaide Crows have interviewed Collingwood assistant and former St Kilda champion Robert Harvey for their coaching position

www.theage.com.au

 

[left at home]

What’s the opinion on above, are they getting desperate, or filling in time.
Or be a good get

 

[LuckyLee]

Harvey has been interviewed for Crows job.

Crows interview Robert Harvey for senior coaching role

The Adelaide Crows have interviewed Collingwood assistant and former St Kilda champion Robert Harvey for their coaching position

www.theage.com.au

Geez I hope he gets it!

Harvey may have been one of the game’s midfield greats as a player but under his guidance our highly rated midfield has not lived up to its lofty reputation in recent times, especially in terms of winning stoppages and two-way running. We need to refresh things.


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