Assistant Coaches

[Vicky Park]

Buckley said Treloar was “uncoachable?”

Jmac, the report or rumour or whatever, was that Treloar was asked to modify his game and either couldn’t or wouldn’t. This, again reportedly, was frustrating for the coaches given his salary and status in the side.

True or not? Who knows? I have no more details but I’m of the view that Treloar was not a very effective or impactful player. Maybe the coaches thought the same and sought to rectify it.

There are definitely issues at the club, but there may be some truth to this one. That, and the incomprehensible stuff-up over Treloar’s salary and him just not being worth it. That was not his fault.

 

[TKiL]

Longmuir clearly contributed to our backline improvement. What’s the equivalent improvement measure for Hocking?

seems like good connections with the likes of De Goey, Sier, Stephenson

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

That's what it stated on the Collingwood web-page

My question still stands!!!!

More so if it’s Collingwood spin

 

[No SPIN]

seems like good connections with the likes of De Goey, Sier, Stephenson

If you’re simply talking about morale, then I agree as he was very well liked. But in this time of lower FD caps it’s sadly a luxury we can’t afford.

 

[TKiL]

If you’re simply talking about morale, then I agree as he was very well liked. But in this time of lower FD caps it’s sadly a luxury we can’t afford.

cost:benefit analysis required- if Hocking could extract consistently good performances, esp from those younger players, then his pay packet might have delivered greater benefits than some of the assistants who have been retained.

 

[jackcass]

Harvey was in charge of the backline in 2017. The backline was poor in 2017 and we bought in Longmuir. Then the backline is what has held up over the past 3 seasons. Now we are going to inflict Harvey on them again?

On SM-N975F using BigFooty.com mobile app

IMHO the issue in 2017 wasn't so much that our backline was poor as it was that it was constantly under the pump because of poor team defence. I think it's remained our most consistently performed group over the years. I think the myth that Longmuir changed it somehow during his tenure is just that, a myth. He inherited our best performed and most consistent line group. That's not to say that he wasn't a positive influence across the group, just that he started from a position of consistency.

 

[jackcass]

Harvey does not seem to be in high demand elsewhere. I recall Caroline Wilson being critical of him some years back when St Kilda rejected him for the senior coaching job. Something along the lines of 'even his own club doesn't want him'. The fact he has applied for so many coaching roles but was rejected by everyone but Collingwood, while our midfield coached by him has seemingly under-performed, has not inspired confidence in him from supporters.

Besides, I think we are all just frustrated seeing the same old faces front up as assistant coaches year after year while the team treads water. The time has come to change the coaching mix, and Harvey seems to provide as likely a place as any to begin the culling.

The only reason we know he gets the interviews is because he's making the short lists, so he can't be that far off. And lets not forget that they're senior positions he's chasing, not assistant positions.

 

[jackcass]

Who has made this allegation of Treloar being “uncoachable?”

It's only rumours. He has allegedly refused to change the way he plays, won't chase and do the normal defensive stuff the mids are expected to do, and that the player group don't think we'll ever achieve the success we crave with him in the midfield.

 

[jackcass]

I think our coaching structure is so underwhelming.

If you are a quality assistant coach in the AFL with good depth of experience and performance, you inevitably get sounded out by other clubs. Longmuir is a classic example - performed incredibly well whilst at Collingwood and other assistant roles and is poached by Fremantle for senior coaching gig.

But we seem stuck with Sanderson and Harvey. No other club is seeking them out and it's embarassing that Harvey has put his hand up for so many roles and has been rejected.

I don't know if they are good or bad coaches. But refreshing the voices in the room around Buckley every 3-4 years I would have thought would be a good thing. Harvey been at the club what 11 years.

Disappointing to see the club not being a bit bolder in our coaching ranks.

I'm pretty ambivalent about assistant coaches. We've turned over lots over the journey but I'm not sure too many could tell you who were the ordinary ones, and who were the very good ones. You have to wonder how much the cuts to the FD soft cap have driven change or otherwise across the AFL.

 

[TKiL]

It's only rumours. He has allegedly refused to change the way he plays, won't chase and do the normal defensive stuff the mids are expected to do, and that the player group don't think we'll ever achieve the success we crave with him in the midfield.

that's all we need here - will do nicely thank you

 

[jackcass]

that's all we need here - will do nicely thank you

I don't know that anyone has claimed it to be anymore than that.

And it's not so unrealistic from my perspective to be beyond the realms of truth. I've always said he's the worst defensive player in our squad, and the worst 2-way runner. If it frustrates me I can only imagine what it must do to the coaches and his team mates.

 

[sr36]

IMHO the issue in 2017 wasn't so much that our backline was poor as it was that it was constantly under the pump because of poor team defence. I think it's remained our most consistently performed group over the years. I think the myth that Longmuir changed it somehow during his tenure is just that, a myth. He inherited our best performed and most consistent line group. That's not to say that he wasn't a positive influence across the group, just that he started from a position of consistency.

2017 backline wasn't strong, but it's not really fair to compare the 2017 backline to the current one. With the exception of a young messy Maynard, the 2017 backline was an entirely different set of players to who played there for the majority of this year.

 

[jackcass]

2017 backline wasn't strong, but it's not really fair to compare the 2017 backline to the current one. With the exception of a young messy Maynard, the 2017 backline was an entirely different set of players to who played there for the majority of this year.

There was a bit of turnover. Crispy was moved there mid season, Dunn was introduced R5-6, Goldsack played there, Howe, Shaz played a bit, Langdon was there for about half the season. Ramsay (who looked good till he did his hammy) and Schade (who never looked good or anything like another KPF of note) were the 2 new guys introduced. Maynard was into his 3rd year. But it was still our most consistent line performance wise. They just got burnt a bit by the poor team defence of the mids and forwards.

 

[Toecrusher]

cost:benefit analysis required- if Hocking could extract consistently good performances, esp from those younger players, then his pay packet might have delivered greater benefits than some of the assistants who have been retained.

If we did a cost benefit analysis of our coaching staff, I doubt we'd have any of the current coaches left.

 

[sr36]

There was a bit of turnover. Crispy was moved there mid season, Dunn was introduced R5-6, Goldsack played there, Howe, Shaz played a bit, Langdon was there for about half the season. Ramsay (who looked good till he did his hammy) and Schade (who never looked good or anything like another KPF of note) were the 2 new guys introduced. Maynard was into his 3rd year. But it was still our most consistent line performance wise. They just got burnt a bit by the poor team defence of the mids and forwards.

Josh Smith too I think.

 

[TKiL]

If we did a cost benefit analysis of our coaching staff, I doubt we'd have any of the current coaches left.

There might be benefit in that

 

[jmac70]

It's only rumours. He has allegedly refused to change the way he plays, won't chase and do the normal defensive stuff the mids are expected to do, and that the player group don't think we'll ever achieve the success we crave with him in the midfield.

Watch him tear it up at the Dogs.

 

[jackcass]

Watch him tear it up at the Dogs.

Hope he does. Our defenders will be licking their lips confident his passes will finally hit them on the chest.

 

[jmac70]

Hope he does. Our defenders will be licking their lips confident his passes will finally hit them on the chest.

Yeah, keep telling yourself we are better off.

 

[partypie]

cost:benefit analysis required- if Hocking could extract consistently good performances, esp from those younger players, then his pay packet might have delivered greater benefits than some of the assistants who have been retained.

I reckon Bob Bilby would be a solid to deliver greater benefits than two specific assistant coaches who have been retained.

 

[TKiL]

I reckon Bob Bilby would be a solid to deliver greater benefits than two specific assistant coaches who have been retained.

reasonable odds on that

 

[jackcass]

Yeah, keep telling yourself we are better off.

Yeah, I’m not saying we are better off, I’m hoping we are.

 

[Jen2310]

Yeah, I’m not saying we are better off, I’m hoping we are.

I think we will be in the long run. Treloar was not gonna be the difference in the midfield. Never was. The sooner people realize that the better.

 

[jimmy35]

I think we will be in the long run. Treloar was not gonna be the difference in the midfield. Never was. The sooner people realize that the better.

Either way they ****ed up chasing him and paying premium for it or ****ed up selling him out for peanuts.

 

[frizzle]

I think we will be in the long run. Treloar was not gonna be the difference in the midfield. Never was. The sooner people realize that the better.

Disagree. Pendles & Sidey aren't getting any younger. Treloar is still a hell of a player. Like many he has weaknesses in his game. So does Sidey (tagged too easy) Pendles (speed & weak overhead) I'm still not happy at all with the way he was treated. Nor Stevo. Will leave a bad taste in my mouth for a long long time.