So you have doubts about the factual accuracy and validity of the hadith then I take it?
Well done on completely ignoring the point. Do you normally defend Islam this way?
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So you have doubts about the factual accuracy and validity of the hadith then I take it?
Well done on completely ignoring the point. Do you normally defend Islam this way?
If you are not certain something is historically accurate then why try to pass it off as fact?
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you think that Muslims are likely to take Muhammad's marriage to Aisha as a pattern of conduct to follow or not?
What marriage? I believe we have just established the hadith are not necessarily historically accurate.
Well in this particular international series "The Anti-Islam Warriors" took the first leg in New Zealand 1-0.Okay, I have been away.
Score update please?
Let me explain it again: whether it is historically accurate or not is irrelevant. What matters is whether they are believed to be historically accurate by Muslims. They are held to be historically accurate by Muslims, therefore, because Muhammad is the pattern of conduct for Muslims according to Islam, it is reasonable to think that there would be Muslims that take his marriage to Aisha as a pattern of conduct to follow.
Of course that matters because in the absence of any hard evidence that the marriage occurred it cannot be said that muslims are following in their prophet's footsteps. That is what you implied in your original post which you have since backpedalled on. You keep saying muslims believe it, but I happen to know lots of muslims who don't believe it. Muslims are not one singular entity where individuals aren't unable to think for themselves.
Ah, now we're getting somewhere. Yes, of course there are going to be Muslims who don't take it as the pattern of conduct, particular in Western countries or from more secularised background, or even those from Sufi backgrounds (like many Sri Lankan Muslims). I would certainly hope that they make up the majority of Muslims worldwide.
But that does not change Islam, and it does not change the reason why there are some followers of Muhammad who believe that this is reasonable conduct. I haven't actually backpedalled at all, I'm simply limiting the discussion to the bits that are relevant to the post I was replying to. The reality is, for as long as Islam can be interpreted by Wahhabis and their ilk in the way that they interpret, you will end up with little girls being married off at 9 years old, and young men and women blowing themselves up in the name of Islam, as is being discussed in this thread.
You again seem to not understand that if the average Muslim believes it's historical fact, then to do likewise would indeed be following in their prophet's footsteps.
So far we have come to the conclusion that
A) the claim that Mohammad married a 9 year old has no reliable source.
B) the hadith cannot be relied upon to provide an accurate representation of history.
If there are muslims who misattribute things to Islam, then the fault is with them and not the religion itself.
The most trusted and reliable source in Islam is the Quran.If you're going to argue that the most trusted and historically reliable sources in Islam are unreliable and inaccurate, then Islam has no basis to exist.
The most trusted and reliable source in Islam is the Quran.
Certainly not a collection of heresay and rumors collected hundreds of years after the prophet's death.
Gee when has the left given a s**t about this
1 American jew must be worth about 1000 sri lankan catholics to the media.Gee when has the left given a s**t about this
Stalin did a fair job and many would consider the Nazis on the left. It's only because a white KKK type was involved that it gets a mention by the greens.You do recall Teh Left didn't put them on the trains and in the ovens?
Not at all, all life is sacred. The left always tend to cherry pick.1 American jew must be worth about 1000 sri lankan catholics to the media.
many would consider the Nazis on the left
You are a fruitloop.
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You are a fruitloop.
No it doesn't. It's timber. Learn science before you put down uneducated conspiracy theories.