Atley Vs Conca

[Mixed Results]

On last season alone, in hindsight, if I was given the choice between finishing 12th with a bullet, or the humiliation of getting absolutely disembowelled in the finals like North did, please... there isn't a non North fan in the world who would take the latter.

Being a Richmond fan I know you haven't had to swallow the bitter pill of losing in a final for a while, but It's an easy trade off for the experience. We had 14 players running out for their first final against a side that made the prelim the year before and had a handful of premiership players. There is no situation where finals experience isn't beneficial to a side

If you guys ever make finals you are going to run out with around 20 people who are playing in their first final, have fun with that

 

[Groupie_]

He wasn't the one claiming Heppell was the worst of the three mate

He said that the coaches don't agree so I said they've only had 2 seasons. There's plenty of time for the coaches to change their minds.

 

[eth-dog]

A Premiership is all there is to it.

I'm always an advocate that playing finals is better than not, even if you get demolished

 

[eth-dog]

He said that the coaches don't agree so I said they've only had 2 seasons. There's plenty of time for the coaches to change their minds.

And plenty of time for you to see that Heppell has runs on the board and has in fact shown more than either. But given your history of hating Essendon I'm not holding my breath

 

[Groupie_]

And plenty of time for you to see that Heppell has runs on the board and has in fact shown more than either. But given your history of hating Essendon I'm not holding my breath

If you mean cheap possies off half back without touching anybody then yeah he has those runs on the board.

 

[eth-dog]

If you mean cheap possies off half back without touching anybody then yeah he has those runs on the board.

Averaged more CP than Conca and Atley in 2011 and 2012 .

 

[Groupie_]

Averaged more CP than Conca and Atley in 2011 and 2012 .

He's still one of the softest players I've ever seen though.

 

[eth-dog]

He's still one of the softest players I've ever seen though.

If he's so soft, why does he average more CP than the two players mentioned? If Heppell's soft, Conca and Atley must be like melted butter

 

[Groupie_]

If he's so soft, why does he average more CP than the two players mentioned? If Heppell's soft, Conca and Atley must be like melted butter

You ever seen him put his body on the line like Conca?

Where Conca puts his body on the line Heppell squibs.

 

[eth-dog]

You ever seen him put his body on the line like Conca?

Where Conca puts his body on the line Heppell squibs.

 

[GarnerSmash]

If we are talking about potential ceilings, Conca's is an inner city apartment. Atley's is a cathederal.

 

[Psicosis]

Could you show me evidence of this fact? If it's true, then there must be supporting proof otherwise you're just speculating here.


As eth-dog said, he would be 4,5, 6th choice midfielder on the basis of being behind some special talents in Cotchin, Deledio and Martin (who were all higher picks than Conca anyway) not necessarily because he was a failed pick. I’m not going to pot Atley as I think he is a very talented young player with a bright future but I find it hilarious that in your absolute wisdom can categorically state as a fact that Atley (after 2 seasons and an extra 4 games!) will be the superior player – you must be very good at assessing talent if that’s the case and should be doing this professionally.

The stats showed Conca is slightly ahead on career to date despite fewer games. That doesn't mean he will be the better player forever - no one can predict the future, not even you buddy. Atley may very well become a superstar (and good luck to him if he does) - the main issue I have is your ridiculous willingness to write off players after 2 seasons - premature much?

Think you might have taken one to many chair shots to the head dude.

It really doesnt take much professionalism to make that observation, as a matter of fact it is actually very obvious the gap between the two of them. Atley is already lightyears ahead of Conca, there is absolutely no doubting that.

If youre going to keep referring to statistics then you truly are an imbecile, and continue to show your lack of an idea. Its quite obvious that if Atley was to have 10 touches, and Conca had 20, Atley would still be far more damaging and have a considerably larger effect on the game. Conca is a bland footballer, not overly tough, average skills and awareness, and is slow. Who you are trying to compare to an absolute jet in Atley, you are making yourself look stupid.

I am not writing the kid off, I think if Conca really knuckles down and improves what he needs to improve on (which is more then you think), he could become a decent footballer. BUT he will never be the player Shaun Atley will be, he will be a shadow of Shaun Atley.

 

[Psicosis]

Right now he's produced better games than the majority of the draft, not surprising considering they've only played 2 fricken seasons. You could make a case for Alex Johnson, and I'll admit I forgot he was in that draft, but who else has outperformed him?

Heppell is far ahead of Atley and Conca, according to the coaches and statistics. I think I'll stick with their opinion thanks. Heppell going to get back-to-back young player of the year awards? (pretty sure he's still eligible, not sure though). Conca and Atley are very close together, you just can't see it

Nah, look if you want me to start comparing your flakey soft front runner in dyson heppell to shaun atley, then we can do that, but that isnt the discussion. Heppell has already proven that he is a great fit to your club, as he pulls out of more contests then Courtney Johns... He has a great kick though

 

[eth-dog]

Nah, look if you want me to start comparing your flakey soft front runner in dyson heppell to shaun atley, then we can do that, but that isnt the discussion. Heppell has already proven that he is a great fit to your club, as he pulls out of more contests then Courtney Johns... He has a great kick though

2011- Heppell Rising Star, AFLCA Best 1st year player, 6th in Essendon's B+F. Conca, Atley zero awards
2012- Heppell AFLCA best young player, 2nd in Essendon's B+F. Atley 5th in NM B+F

And averages more CP than Atley in both 2011 and 2012

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

It really doesnt take much professionalism to make that observation, as a matter of fact it is actually very obvious the gap between the two of them. Atley is already lightyears ahead of Conca, there is absolutely no doubting that.

If youre going to keep referring to statistics then you truly are an imbecile, and continue to show your lack of an idea. Its quite obvious that if Atley was to have 10 touches, and Conca had 20, Atley would still be far more damaging and have a considerably larger effect on the game. Conca is a bland footballer, not overly tough, average skills and awareness, and is slow. Who you are trying to compare to an absolute jet in Atley, you are making yourself look stupid.

I am not writing the kid off, I think if Conca really knuckles down and improves what he needs to improve on (which is more then you think), he could become a decent footballer. BUT he will never be the player Shaun Atley will be, he will be a shadow of Shaun Atley.

Can you PM me the details on how I can also see in to the future.
I'd be really keen to give it a go - thanks in advance.

 

[Psicosis]

2011- Heppell Rising Star, AFLCA Best 1st year player, 6th in Essendon's B+F. Conca, Atley zero awards
2012- Heppell AFLCA best young player, 2nd in Essendon's B+F. Atley 5th in NM B+F

And averages more CP than Atley in both 2011 and 2012

Awards perfectly suited for a one-dimensional outside-front-runner like Heppell. Get some physicality into his game then talk to me.

 

[eth-dog]

Awards perfectly suited for a one-dimensional outside-front-runner like Heppell. Get some physicality into his game then talk to me.

Heppell averages more CP than both Atley and Conca over their careers, and each season. And considering tough players like Buckley, Scott, Goodes, Riewoldt, Mitchell, Palmer and Hannebery have won the Rising Star, and tough players like Judd, Griffen, Pendlebury and Selwood won the Best young player awards says that's bullshit. Next argument?

 

[The Bomb]

eth-dog Heppell is to classy to be involved in this discussion, clearly Heppell is a few classes above.

 

[eth-dog]

eth-dog Heppell is to classy to be involved in this discussion, clearly Heppell is a few classes above.

Forgot about that.

Back on the Atley vs Conca debate, you can't say that one or the other is ahead at the moment, or in the future. I would take Conca, others would take Atley, and it's just the way it is

 

[Psicosis]

Heppell averages more CP than both Atley and Conca over their careers, and each season. And considering tough players like Buckley, Scott, Goodes, Riewoldt, Mitchell, Palmer and Hannebery have won the Rising Star, and tough players like Judd, Griffen, Pendlebury and Selwood won the Best young player awards says that's bullshit. Next argument?

Meh. Means nothing, Heppell is a renowned soft player, it's without question the biggest blunder on his game, all you have mentioned are tough players, whilst Heppell just is not. You can do the typical Essendon thing and find a video of one instance that Heppell actually decided to put his head over the ball, but fact is that he does it very rarely, hence his reputation as an absolute squib.

 

[eth-dog]

Meh. Means nothing, Heppell is a renowned soft player, it's without question the biggest blunder on his game, all you have mentioned are tough players, whilst Heppell just is not. You can do the typical Essendon thing and find a video of one instance that Heppell actually decided to put his head over the ball, but fact is that he does it very rarely, hence his reputation as an absolute squib.

And yet all the quantifiable evidence points to the fact that he's a tougher player than both Atley and Conca, with more CP per game and more tackles per game than both. Keep on trying champ, I'm sure you'll get there eventually.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Heppell is no softer then superstar Atley.

 

[eth-dog]

Heppell is no softer then superstar Atley.

A Richmond supporter making sense. Amazing

 

[Engimal]

Came into an Atley vs Conca poll to find a discussion about how soft Heppell is.
Jesus Christ. Ban all North, Richmond and Essendon supporters from the ****ing polls board.

 

[liam_13]

Pretty sure I absolutely nailed this thread