Aus v Eng @ SCG

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dr nick

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good to see england get a decent score this time. i thought a lot of our fielding left heaps to be desired, and some of the field placings were negative at best, esp when knight and hussain were in. having said that england just dont seem to cut the mustard when it comes to their bowling. you cant expect to hold back hayden and gilchrist with their half paced, pop gun attack. it is for this reason i cant see them beating australia in this series, and will have trouble with sri lanka's top 4.

i thought irani on the boundary was a classic!!!! as was the 30m long snake, as was whichever english player (irani again i think) who chucked the beachball back to the crowd when the security guard asked for it :D marvellous stuff!
 
Originally posted by nicko18
good to see england get a decent score this time. i thought a lot of our fielding left heaps to be desired, and some of the field placings were negative at best, esp when knight and hussain were in. having said that england just dont seem to cut the mustard when it comes to their bowling. you cant expect to hold back hayden and gilchrist with their half paced, pop gun attack. it is for this reason i cant see them beating australia in this series, and will have trouble with sri lanka's top 4.
Negative field placings? In One Day cricket? Surely not! :D
I think Sri Lanka's bowling attack looks pretty ordinary as well, particularly without Murali.
And I agree on our fielding, our standards are slipping without question.

Originally posted by nicko18
best call of the match... and it came from the barmy army.

"get your sh*tty stars off our flag"
ouch.
I feel the same way as the barmy army.
 

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Re: Re: Aus v Eng @ SCG

Originally posted by DaveW

And I agree on our fielding, our standards are slipping without question.

Australia's slipping of fielding standards is an interesting and somewhat overlooked topic this summer. It isn't that much of a surprise as this is an ageing side and they have missed a lot of half-chances that they would've got in previous summers. I think the amount of missed catches in the 3 Ashes Tests is into double figures.

I would suggest that the Aust A side that played tonight would outfield the current Australian lineup.

And if a side's fielding is led by their wicketkeeping, then it is no surprise that Australia's fielding standards have slipped. Gilchrist's keeping isn't improving as time goes by; if anything, it's getting worse. He's missed several chances during the Ashes Tests (including more then a couple between him and first slip) and apparently (I didn't see much of England's innings) missed another stumping yesterday.

It's an increasing flaw in their game that could be badly shown up in South Africa in a couple of months time.
 
ironically, so many players have been pigeon holed out of the ODI side despite being regular test players due to their poor fielding. slater and langer spring immediately to mind, and if bevan wasnt the best OD batter in the game, then he wouldnt get a look in either.

i can certainly see the irony now, australia could very well be the poorest fielding side in this tri series (from what ive seen so far anyway), and you can chuck in Australia A, their fielding was brilliant today.
 
Originally posted by nicko18

i can certainly see the irony now, australia could very well be the poorest fielding side in this tri series (from what ive seen so far anyway), and you can chuck in Australia A, their fielding was brilliant today.

I would agree that from what I saw today, Sri Lanka could very well be a better fielding side then Australia this series (bowling is a different issue).

To suggest that Australia are the worst fielding side going around in the tri-series would imply that they are a worse fielding side then England, and that simply isn't the case.

England, as usual, are shown up in the fielding area. Too many loafers like Caddick, Trescothick (good catch though) and others means for one thing, a stack of easy singles on offer inside the circle.
 
Re: Re: Re: Aus v Eng @ SCG

Originally posted by wagstaff
Australia's slipping of fielding standards is an interesting and somewhat overlooked topic this summer. It isn't that much of a surprise as this is an ageing side and they have missed a lot of half-chances that they would've got in previous summers. I think the amount of missed catches in the 3 Ashes Tests is into double figures.

I would suggest that the Aust A side that played tonight would outfield the current Australian lineup.

And if a side's fielding is led by their wicketkeeping, then it is no surprise that Australia's fielding standards have slipped. Gilchrist's keeping isn't improving as time goes by; if anything, it's getting worse. He's missed several chances during the Ashes Tests (including more then a couple between him and first slip) and apparently (I didn't see much of England's innings) missed another stumping yesterday.

It's an increasing flaw in their game that could be badly shown up in South Africa in a couple of months time.

Yep, agree with most of that. I'd hadn't really put the two and two of the ageing and poorer fielding together - except for Steve Waugh perhaps. Though I wonder if there are other factors - are they just not as well drilled in fielding as they were a few years ago? And I certainly agree with Gilchrist, I had a high opinion of his keeping not so long ago, but I don't anymore. The question of choosing your best gloveman will rear its ugly head soon enough I'm tipping. That missed stumping off Lehmann was a shocker.

But I don't know about a sides fielding being led by their wicket-keeper. However bad Gilchrist is, Australia A's Ryan Campbell is worse. :D
 
What are you on about, Sri Lanka, poor bowling?

They have the greatest bowler of all time in the side, albeit a chucker. Vaas is also a very good bowler, better than every Australian pace bowler bar McGrath. Throw in youngster Fernando who has an excellent slower ball and all rounder Jayasuria.

It could easily be argued that Sri Lanka have a better bowling line up than Australia. I mean if we look at it this way:

1. Murali is better than Mcgrath
2. Vaas is better than Gillespie
3. Lee is better than Fernando
4. Warne is better than Gunaratne
5. Jayasuria is better than Watson

Underrate the Sri Lankan attack at your own peril, they were missing their 3 best bowlers in the match against the 'A' side.
 
Originally posted by nicko18
ironically, so many players have been pigeon holed out of the ODI side despite being regular test players due to their poor fielding. slater and langer spring immediately to mind, and if bevan wasnt the best OD batter in the game, then he wouldnt get a look in either.
Slater got dropped from the one-day side because his one-day batting record is poor. Simple as that. Even his Mercantile Mutual/ING Cup record is mediocre. That century he scored for NSW the other night was only his second in any form of major one-day cricket. (and the first one was for Derbyshire!)
 
Originally posted by Zombie
What are you on about, Sri Lanka, poor bowling?

They have the greatest bowler of all time in the side, albeit a chucker. Vaas is also a very good bowler, better than every Australian pace bowler bar McGrath. Throw in youngster Fernando who has an excellent slower ball and all rounder Jayasuria.

It could easily be argued that Sri Lanka have a better bowling line up than Australia. I mean if we look at it this way:

1. Murali is better than Mcgrath
Debatable. I think McGrath is better personally. ODI statistics suggest there is little in it. Test statistics favour McGrath.

2. Vaas is better than Gillespie
What are you smoking?

3. Lee is better than Fernando
Tick. Though neither is a world-beater

4. Warne is better than Gunaratne
Huge, huge margin there, which makes this whole comparison rather silly

5. Jayasuria is better than Watson
Well yeah, but Watson is still fairly new.


Underrate the Sri Lankan attack at your own peril, they were missing their 3 best bowlers in the match against the 'A' side.

For mine its one break even, 3 to Australia (including one very lopsided comparison) and 1 to Sri Lanka. Australia's is far superior. Watch the Lankan bowlers get carved up this summer.
 
Originally posted by DaveW
Debatable. I think McGrath is better personally. ODI statistics suggest there is little in it. Test statistics favour McGrath.

Sure you rate McGrath better than Murali because you watch him all the time, just as you rate Gillespie better than Vaas because you see Gillespie all the time. Murali was just named as the all time greatest test bowler, I don't see how you can say McGrath is better at test level.

I don't doubt that Australia have the better overall line up, but Sri Lanka are no slouches, their top 3 bowlers are probably only slightly behind Australia top 3 bowlers (which is a damn fine top 3) and only Australia have a better top 2 bowlers than they do in the world. Their depth of bowlers will probably hurt them although some of their youngsters such as Fernando look promising.

Watson probably won't be in the team by the time Australia plays Sri Lanka so it is probably unfair putting him in the comparison.
 
Originally posted by Zombie
Sure you rate McGrath better than Murali because you watch him all the time, just as you rate Gillespie better than Vaas because you see Gillespie all the time. Murali was just named as the all time greatest test bowler, I don't see how you can say McGrath is better at test level.
In Tests, McGrath is more than 2 runs a wicket better bowler (21.35 v 23.52) or using your prefered statstic a 9 balls a wicket better bowler (50.8 v 59.8).

According to PWC cricket ratings (which is more of a form guide than an all time indicator, but then form is as relevant as anything), McGrath is the number one bowler in Tests and ODIs, Muralitharan number two both forms.


I don't doubt that Australia have the better overall line up, but Sri Lanka are no slouches, their top 3 bowlers are probably only slightly behind Australia top 3 bowlers (which is a damn fine top 3) and only Australia have a better top 2 bowlers than they do in the world. Their depth of bowlers will probably hurt them although some of their youngsters such as Fernando look promising.

Watson probably won't be in the team by the time Australia plays Sri Lanka so it is probably unfair putting him in the comparison.

FWIW these are the current PWC ODI rankings:

1 McGrath
4 Gillespie
9 Warne
11 Lee
48 Bichel
94 Watson

Others:
26 Harvey
62 Symonds

2 Muralitharan
7 Vaas
31 Dilhara Fernando
51 Zoysa
59 Jayasuriya
75 Gunaratne
88 Aravinda de Silva

Others:
25 Dharmasena
42 Chandana
74 Wickramasinghe
87 Charitha Fernando

Australia's top liners are clearly superior to Sri Lanka's top liners. If they have strength its getting good bowling from their specialist batsmen, the likes of Jayasuriya, Aravinda and Arnold.
 
Originally posted by DaveW
Slater got dropped from the one-day side because his one-day batting record is poor. Simple as that. Even his Mercantile Mutual/ING Cup record is mediocre. That century he scored for NSW the other night was only his second in any form of major one-day cricket. (and the first one was for Derbyshire!)

the selectors pointed out at the time (when taylor, slater and co first got dropped back in 1997) that their fielding skills (or lack thereof) was a major factor in their decision. i also agree that his batting wasnt flash at the time, but thats not the reason he was pigeon holed. apparantly mark taylor was told he wouldnt be included in future one day sides (despite making heaps of runs at a fantastic strike rate for NSW shortly after his axing).
 

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hmmm, im trying to paste one of the pics i took at the SCG in this thread but it keeps coming up as a little box with a red X in it. does anyone know the problem??

here.. i'll try it

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Originally posted by Zombie
1. Murali is better than Mcgrath

Cant compare Apples to Oranges - one is a bowler & the other can get a spot for the New York Yankies.

McGrath Easaly!

2. Vaas is better than Gillespie

WTF - what are you on! Jase has a better strike and economy rate even though he's miss countless game through injury


3. Lee is better than Fernando

4. Warne is better than Gunaratne

Correct! & Correct!

5. Jayasuria is better than Watson

for now yes - i think oz selectors should of groomed him for after this would cup & not rush his development for this 1
 

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