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My personal thoughts......



David Warner (266 runs @ 44): 8/10. A bit of a feast-or-famine series, 266 runs in total with 180 coming in one knock. Many would argue "that's how he plays" but greater consistency would cement his place beyond doubt.

Ed Cowan (206 runs @ 34): 6.5/10. Excellent foil for Warner by playing the old-fashioned accumulator role, but would be disappointed not to go on and get a big hundred.

Shaun Marsh (17 runs @ 2.8): 1/10. Well.....at least he got through the series without suffering a career-threatening injury.

Ricky Ponting (544 runs @ 108): 10/10. Six innings and passed 50 five times. Most consistent batsman of the series, and looked better and better as the summer progressed.

Michael Clarke (626 @ 125, 1 wkt @ 54): 10/10. Doesn't get much better than this with bat or ball. Set up monstrous morale-sapping first innings scores in Sydney and Adelaide, and stopped Tendulkar getting his 100th 100.

Michael Hussey (293 @ 59): 9/10. Form is temporary, class is permenant. Shook off some dodgy calls and bad luck early on to silence the doubters, and his medium pacers remain better-than-handy.

Brad Haddin (86 runs @ 29, 18 catches): 4/10. Some gimme not-outs in Adelaide boost his average, but his performance with the bat was poor and his glovework inconsistent at best. Must be under pressure to hold his spot.

Peter Siddle (23 wkts @ 19, 77 runs @ 19): 9/10. Continues his resurgance with some accurate and fiery fast bowling. Also continues his development as a stubborn tail-end batsman.

James Pattinson (11 wkts @ 23, 55 Runs not dismissed): 8/10. Started out from where his brilliant NZ form left off before unfortunately succumbing to injury.

Ryan Harris (6 wkts @ 30, 44 runs @ 44): 7/10. Would be grateful just to make it through without injury. Bowled with plenty of pace and hostility and unlucky not to pick up more wickets. Finally made some runs as well.

Ben Hilfenhaus (27 wkts @ 17): 9.5/10. He and Siddle are the stories of the series. Has re-invented himself with extra pace and aggression, and was deadly with his late swing.

Mitchell Starc (4 wkts @ 18): 6/10. Looked better than against NZ, albeit on a bouncy Perth wicket. Has done enough to keep his name up there.

Nathan Lyon (7 wkts @ 41): 5/10. Well overshadowed by the quick men, but did okay on pitches that often did not suit. Good performance at Adelaide provided a positive finish to a tough series.
 

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Spot on :thumbsu:

I defended Marsh early and antcipated a strong finishm however I'm primed to eat my words and agree that he must now depart. One would feel Haddin's days are numbered as well.
 

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My personal thoughts......



David Warner (266 runs @ 44): 8/10. A bit of a feast-or-famine series, 266 runs in total with 180 coming in one knock. Many would argue "that's how he plays" but greater consistency would cement his place beyond doubt.

6/10 IMO, one magnificent innings and rubbish the rest of the time

Ed Cowan (206 runs @ 34): 6.5/10. Excellent foil for Warner by playing the old-fashioned accumulator role, but would be disappointed not to go on and get a big hundred.

spot on

Shaun Marsh (17 runs @ 2.8): 1/10. Well.....at least he got through the series without suffering a career-threatening injury.

again spot on

Ricky Ponting (544 runs @ 108): 10/10. Six innings and passed 50 five times. Most consistent batsman of the series, and looked better and better as the summer progressed.

His consistency was the mark, but loses 0.5 for 2 (3?) dropped catches as well

Michael Clarke (626 @ 125, 1 wkt @ 54): 10/10. Doesn't get much better than this with bat or ball. Set up monstrous morale-sapping first innings scores in Sydney and Adelaide, and stopped Tendulkar getting his 100th 100.

some rubbish innings at the start of the series, but then bang! increased
in his career averaged by 10% in one series


Michael Hussey (293 @ 59): 9/10. Form is temporary, class is permenant. Shook off some dodgy calls and bad luck early on to silence the doubters, and his medium pacers remain better-than-handy.

Dropped a couple of catches as well 8/10

Brad Haddin (86 runs @ 29, 18 catches): 4/10. Some gimme not-outs in Adelaide boost his average, but his performance with the bat was poor and his glovework inconsistent at best. Must be under pressure to hold his spot.

again generous

Peter Siddle (23 wkts @ 19, 77 runs @ 19): 9/10. Continues his resurgance with some accurate and fiery fast bowling. Also continues his development as a stubborn tail-end batsman.

James Pattinson (11 wkts @ 23, 55 Runs not dismissed): 8/10. Started out from where his brilliant NZ form left off before unfortunately succumbing to injury.

Ryan Harris (6 wkts @ 30, 44 runs @ 44): 7/10. Would be grateful just to make it through without injury. Bowled with plenty of pace and hostility and unlucky not to pick up more wickets. Finally made some runs as well.

Ben Hilfenhaus (27 wkts @ 17): 9.5/10. He and Siddle are the stories of the series. Has re-invented himself with extra pace and aggression, and was deadly with his late swing.

Mitchell Starc (4 wkts @ 18): 6/10. Looked better than against NZ, albeit on a bouncy Perth wicket. Has done enough to keep his name up there.

Nathan Lyon (7 wkts @ 41): 5/10. Well overshadowed by the quick men, but did okay on pitches that often did not suit. Good performance at Adelaide provided a positive finish to a tough series.
Pretty fair on the bowlers. Thought Siddle was actually the best bowler not hilfy, by the quality of his wickets and he lost 2 or 3 through dropped catches. starc was v. goo din Perth, and rubbish against NZ. Also agree Lyon has a pass mark because he did his part creating pressure
 

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Good rankings.

Think Warner at 8/10 is too much given he only had one good innings. Haddin also lucky I thought.

If Hussey is a 9, and Ponting a 10, then I think Hilfenhaus and Siddle also were 10's. They were fantastic, especially early with wickets but also some runs.
 

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Sorry if i didn't make it clear; this was only the Indian series.

obviously a few guys would be ranked differently if NZ was included e.g. Hussey didn't make a run, and Clarke had a hit-and-miss series.
 

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Good rankings.

Think Warner at 8/10 is too much given he only had one good innings. Haddin also lucky I thought.

If Hussey is a 9, and Ponting a 10, then I think Hilfenhaus and Siddle also were 10's. They were fantastic, especially early with wickets but also some runs.
Yeah, fair call. I debated a few of these.

I initially had Warner 7/10 but that 180 off 150 balls was astounding, like nothing I've ever seen before.

Haddin 4/10 is still a fail. He did make SOME runs unlike Marsh so I thought 2/10 or 3/10 would have been a bit harsh.

Hilfy just pips Sids by virtue of greater no of wickets. But yeah not much between them.
 

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Haddin is 2 out of 10 at best.
Dropped easy catches. Batted horribly and threw away his wicket when he needed to dig in. Then batted conservatively when we were after quick runs.

Bloke has got no idea. Seems selfish, and despite being out of form, decided to slag India in the media....

1/10 is probably more accurate.
 

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Give them all 10, except Marsh, who get 1/10 for turning up, and Haddin, who get 4 because of a lack of runs.

Those are the lazy man's votes. Lots of thought put into this....lol!
 

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Marsh was pretty horrible. Hope he can get some runs on the board because he is good enough to play for Australia.

Haddin is a clown, carries on like a complete idiot. Days must be numbered.

Hilfy was surely the pick of the bowlers. With Siddle also only just trailing.
 
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I'd give Warner 6 out of 10 with 5.5 of the six accruing from that one truly astounding innings. As good as that innings was, he failed in his other 5 attempts and, concerningly, in Adelaide it seemed a very deliberate ploy to get a spinner on to him as early as possible. The jury is still out IMO.

Other than that, I reckon you're fairly close to the mark.

I'd probably mark Cowan down a little more and perhaps Hussey too, who had a few failures (though in fairness he also took a couple for the team).

Finally, I think you've been harsh on Marsh. You correctly mention Ponting's consistency, but fail to mention that Marsh was in fact the most consistent batsman from both sides in the entire series. Bravo!
 

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I wouldn't mark Hussey as a 9, but I wouldn't have him any lower than 7.5. His Adelaide innings weren't terribly important and he got a dog of a decision in the first innings of Melbourne. The only time when he really failed was at Perth.

Again, Warner's probably a bit high in your rankings. However, he does get some bonus points for his fielding.
 

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I wouldn't be giving anyone a 10, that is implying perfection/no room for improvement.

Warner is too high based on one innings. Hussey is also too high and Haddin seems about right.

I'd have Siddle/Hilf on the same marking, whatever that may be.
 

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My thoughts:

David Warner: 7 - This might seem a little high considering he made only one big score, but that big score was among the most phenomenal I've seen, beating India's individual score in both innings and easily overshadowing the rest of his teammates. His fielding was excellent also.

Ed Cowan: 6 - Adequate and deserving of further opportunities, but not great. Usually made starts, but only made two 50's although he got some poor decisions.

Shaun Marsh: 1 - Well...he took some nifty catches - and he didn't get injured!

Ricky Ponting: 9 - Our most consistent batsman - only one score below 60 and his innings in Melbourne were especially significant, though he shelled a couple of sitters.

Michael Clarke: 9.5 - Some phenomenal innings in crunch situations and some failures, but his captaincy was generally stellar and he also took Tendulkar's wicket in Sydney.

Michael Hussey: 7.5 - Slightly higher than Warner's simply because he scored more runs - his 89 at Melbourne was crucial, with his 150 being less so. Most of his other innings (bar one shocking decision) were starts, but no more. His fielding was generally sharp, although he dropped two tougher ones (I think?).

Brad Haddin: 3 - Made almost no runs until Adelaide in low-pressure situations and his keeping ranged from shocking to adequate (although it improved as the series progressed). Barely warrants his place, if at all.

Peter Siddle: 9.5 - Excellent throughout. Took crucial wickets when needed, usually keeping India from making good starts or consolidating. He also made some important runs down the order.

Ben Hilfenhaus: 9.5 - Similar to Siddle, except he made slightly fewer runs and spent more time melting the tail. His run-out in Adelaide was pure brilliance.

Nathan Lyon: 5 - Only took 2 wickets in his first two matches on unhelpful decks bowling too wide on the crease, but was generally accurate and finally took 5 in Adelaide after working on his angles.

Ryan Harris: 7 - Deducted a point for not playing the whole series. He built pressure up very well and could've had more wickets, but he'll be happy not to have injured himself. Made some runs, albeit in a low-pressure situation. Consider this a low 7.

James Pattinson: 8 - Deducted a point for not playing the whole series. He was a bit erratic at times (in SCG second innings when his injury may have started to affect him), but took regular wickets and troubled the batsmen with appreciable bounce and some seam movement. Made useful runs in Melbourne.

Mitchell Starc: 6 - Deducted points for not playing the whole series. Bowled well in Perth, getting regular inswing and bounce, but in conditions made for his style of bowling.
 

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man when you see marsh's stats as a whole that is a total shocker. 2.8. i can't remember a top order batsmen averaging 2.8 of an entire 4 test series.
there's a reason i can't remember, because it's basically never happened before.

worst 3+ test series from top order (1-7) batsmen ever:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...hes;template=results;type=batting;view=series

cliff notes:

- Arjuna Runatunga 3 ducks from 3 innings v Pakistan 1991/92 (plus a 6 batting at number 8)
- Mohinder Amarnath 1 run from 6 innings v Windies 1983
- Ken Rutherford 12 runs from 7 innings v Windies 1985
- Nathan Astle 7 runs from 3 innings v Pakistan 2001

Shaun Marsh's 17 from 6 innings is the 11th lowest series average from a top 7 batsmen ever (3+ tests played in a series), and the 2nd lowest in 4-test series (behind Ken Rutherford).

But given the strength of the West Indies bowling in the 80's, and the Paki's bowling in the early 90's, and they still had Waqar and Saqlain in the series v Astle, in comparison to the Indian bowlers we had out here this tour.... well it doesn't look pretty for Marsh.
 
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