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Carringbush2010

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I like this point.


I'd argue that while the broad "left" oppose hierarchies based on race, class (historically accumulated wealth) or gender..... the "far-left" might loosely be considered as wanting to replace those hierarchies with anarchy (or at least removing them at all costs). Whereas the centre or moderate left might be considered as wanting to replace those hierarchies with a meritocracy.

Meritocracies still allow for hierarchies, but those hierarchies are based on demonstrated competency. The centre-right probably also endorse meritocracy, with the only difference between the two being the level of social support for those at the bottom of the hierarchy.


Hence the centre-left and centre-right ("everyday people") have more in common with each other, but are increasingly dragged into the fringe-dwelling far-left anarchists versus far-right supremacists in the modern pick-a-side culture.
Great post!

Maybe I was a bit lacking in information (on hierarchy), so thanks for including a very important piece of information. meritocracy.

I agree with your post and maybe the 'far left' don't necessarily want anarchy for the sake of anarchy, I'd argue it's more of a protest against individuals or groups who take advantage of whatever system whoever is in.

So maybe for those on the fringes of left would consider anarchy more palatable then the freedoms afforded (which is everyone) to those that they don't want them to have - even though I'd argue only the very extreme left would want either - just pick whatever is least worst for them.
 

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There is a real delineation in what 'the left' want and what 'the right' think the left want.

The majority of what could be described as left want equality of opportunity which in it's current form neoliberalism does not provide.
The 'right' seem to confuse this with wanting equality of outcome and spend their energy arguing against this.

And around and around we go.
I don't disagree, it's the how the far left or far right want to get to that equality - which ends up not equal for all anyway. Further, equal for all and sundry is entirely impossible regardless.

So in a blunt face value perspective we have dictated law and order far right or chaos and anarchy far left.

Why are the sensibly centred so quiet by the way? I understand msm goes all gluttony on negativity news but fk me, those who are centred and likely the vastly overwhelming in majority don't say much (I plead guilty).
 

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Catholics and Protestants?
Beyond the bubble of the Troubles in Northern Ireland (which was more about occupation by British Crown forces than anything else) I think alot of the aggro of the Catholic v Protestant stoush was that Catholics initially saw Protestantism as a heretical splinter movement. Martin Luther, an Augustine monk at one point in his life, got pissed off at the state of his Catholic Church and rebelled. Many people followed him. Catholics didn't like this and warred over it over several centuries.

I think both groups were as bad as each other.
 

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Even the most hard-boiled lefty understands and accepts that eugenics was a product of the left.
Historically some lefty thinkers must have looked to animal breeding and thought that such a thing could lead to better humans too. Some were inspired by Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species. Such lines of thinking tend to leave off equality for all and so much of that equality hinges on the fact that each individual life is of equal worth in terms of dignity. No matter how intelligent, no matter how capable.

We selectively breed animals because we are so far above them. In intelligence. In reasoning. But with regards to eugenics and humans judging other humans for selective breeding - who or what gave THEM that right? Especially in 'weeding out the weaklings' as per what happens in selective breeding?

So much of this is at odds with what I on the left believe in this day and age. Yes, history may show that certain Left-wing figures flirted with and surmised about the benefits of breeding a stronger humanity.

But that dream becoming a reality would have cost us so much more.


EDIT: Reading that whole article - Adolf Hitler may have flirted with what I know of socialism as it existed at that particular time period, but I think socialism has gone through its own Reformation. There are strains of it which just aren't desirable to me or the way I think here in the year 2021 of the Common Era. Those strains existed though, at one point.
 
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Yeah, it's not a racist position, but it can be framed as one depending on the intent of the person or group espousing such concerns. That's why it's key to take these talking points away from the far right. Because that's their ticket to the mainstream - concern about jobs. Concern about crime. They'll examine statistics divided by ethnicity and use it to boost the hate.

We need to take these talking points away from the hard right and we need to do it by examining the problems and talking about it like adults. And punishing criminals themselves when crime occurs, NOT the ethnic group said criminal was born into.
I agree but we need to be clear about who the far right are, openly self declared white supremacists.

Parlilmentary members of the liberal party or one nation do not fall into this category.
 

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I agree but we need to be clear about who the far right are, openly self declared white supremacists.

Parlilmentary members of the liberal party or one nation do not fall into this category.
Oh no. PHON is far right. Craig Kelly is far right. Dutton is far right. Morrison is just a self-serving campaigner who is feeding the right what he thinks they want.
 

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I don't disagree, it's the how the far left or far right want to get to that equality - which ends up not equal for all anyway. Further, equal for all and sundry is entirely impossible regardless.

So in a blunt face value perspective we have dictated law and order far right or chaos and anarchy far left.

Why are the sensibly centred so quiet by the way? I understand msm goes all gluttony on negativity news but fk me, those who are centred and likely the vastly overwhelming in majority don't say much (I plead guilty).
I don't think the far left or right are particularly relevant to modern policy making - historically, the centre-left and centre-right have had largely the same goals for society but with differing economic policies to achieve it.

The conservatives have drifted to the right (vale the wet-libs who used to have a significant say in their party room) and Labor have has some splintering to the more socialist elements of the Greens. Ironically, Mainstream Labor and Liberal have arguably grown closer economically and further apart of most other issues.
 

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Oh no. PHON is far right. Craig Kelly is far right. Dutton is far right. Morrison is just a self-serving campaigner who is feeding the right what he thinks they want.
Far right or not Pauline Hanson is one very unintelligent person. Can't answer a complex question to save herself.

Her party is failing miserably with a primary of around 3%.

Let's just hope Labor holds on to the seat of Latrobe.
 

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Far right or not Pauline Hanson is one very unintelligent person. Can't answer a complex question to save herself.

Her party is failing miserably with a primary of around 3%.

Let's just hope Labor holds on to the seat of Latrobe.
She is cunning enough and gathered a group of grifters whose goal was raising money. She will say anything, but she isn't the one writing everything. A group plans her little stunts.
 

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How's this arseclown belting the security guard in front of cameras yesterday?

He'll get charged but just a matter of time before some street justice is administered.

 

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How's this arseclown belting the security guard in front of cameras yesterday?

He'll get charged but just a matter of time before some street justice is administered.

He's now a hero to Nazis everywhere.

 

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He's now a hero to Nazis everywhere.

Was the link supposed to back up the assertion?
 

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Nei nazi camps where they adore Hitler

seems like a nice group... for us to have to waste our tax dollars on to stop them being the psychos they are

such a smal number of people with such a high economic and potentially extreme social cost
 

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