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FireKrakouer

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Just as the sun will rise in the east and set in the west, the extremist will argue that it is not they, but everyone else, who is extreme.
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Gethelred

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Just as the sun will rise in the east and set in the west, the extremist will argue that it is not they, but everyone else, who is extreme.
- FK, 2022
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
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sdfc

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Not that much. There's a bit of mythology about this. First is the "they built the autobahns" thing. The autobahns were actually already under construction when the Nazis came to power (not that building infrastructure is in any way necessarily "socialist"). Then there's the idea that they ended unemployment which they sort of did but only by a simple conjuring trick.
No one said anything about the autobahns. The works programs certainly did help end unemployment. Government spending tends to lower unemployment during depressions. It's not socialism but to say unemployment wasn't a policy focus of the Nazis is incorrect. They implemented their own programs on top of the Weimar programs.
They expanded the German military from its restriction to 100,000 (Versailles Treaty) to five million which just happened to have been more or less the number of unemployed when they took power. They also destroyed the trade union movement and drastically reduced wages so that in 1938 Germans were still consuming less calories per person than they had been in 1928.
The German military didn't have 5 million in its ranks at the outbreak of the war, let alone when they reached full employment in 1937 or whenever it was.

In any case the military was expanded to create a greater Germany for the German people, or at least those they considered worthy. The Nazis were prepared to starve 30 million people in eastern Europe to build a utopia for the them.

German diets are neither here nor there. Do you think your average citizen of the USSR had a better diet than your average Australian?

Destroying the trade unions wasn't anti-socialist, he merely dragged them into the state apparatus. It's funny that you mention them though. They were heavily involved in the establishment of Volkswagen to provide German workers with an affordable car.

The economic "recovery" benefitted the employers and the middle class but was built on the immiseration of the working class, achieved with the aid of terror. So what does it mean in the light of this to say they were "collectivist"?
Collectivist means that individual rights are secondary to the state. The working class were in a better position in 1938 than in 1933.

Socialism regularly uses terror. Where have you been?
Nazi ideology is collectivist in the sense that it argues for the subsuming of individuals to the state, but that's not "socialist" any more than the collectivist ideology of (to bring up another random example)
So the USSR wasn't "kind of socialist"?
Catholicism is. Having a shitty social program is not socialist either - unless you think Bismark, the inventor of the old age pension, was socialist.
Bismark acknowledged his social programs were state socialism.
Finally, I never said they were a "hands off government", just that government intervention in the economy, something that was the a characteristic of the allies during WW2 as well, is not socialism. I would call it state capitalism. Though, again, the extent of this in Germany has been exaggerated - they never nationalised any of the main German corporations for instance.
Bringing up wartime governments is weird. It's a red herring. The US government was heavily involved in arming the allies in WWII, I certainly wouldn't call the US government socialist.

Hitler and the Nazis were anti-capitalist. Capitalism is a liberal philosophy. You're thinking of corporatism.

As Maliface said earlier, radical collectivists are a menace.
 

Chief

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Just as the sun will rise in the east and set in the west, the extremist will argue that it is not they, but everyone else, who is extreme.
- FK, 2022
"Social media unmasking laws will show ethno-nationalists why their grandpappy wore a hood." - Some dude online.
 

Leeda

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Oh for crying out loud… no meaningful epithets…..they are friggin loud, misunderstood…and not very well read ….
 

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