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Twoslabs

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Twoslabs please hang around and share. I’m just a tourist learning about the various subcultures in the fascist-o-sphere.
Can do happy to share from my close on 40 years in the Melbourne punk scene and the resulting interactions and the various neo nazi skinhead groups that have existed on its fringe
 

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Baltimore Jack

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Examples quote were all the examples of the granite left, even by the set who refuse to believe Hitler was a socialist.

Try and name some "right wing" dictatorships. Could probably grant you three or four but a struggle after that.
This is how crazies like QAnon get started
 

Twoslabs

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My experience extends to the Dead Kennedys singing Nazi Punks.
One of my favourites is that the guitarist from Australia's pre eminent neo fascist band "Fortress" only got into it as he was sick and tired of being beaten up by skins.

"Sid" aka Darren Atkinson was a Robert Smith clone albeit bleached white hair, back in the day when he was seeing Donna M from Dandenong. At the time I was seeing Donna's best friend (late 80s).

Challenge set to the neo nazi scum here, dispute this claim LOL there's a hell of a lot more about this piece of human filth that I'll share #theregoesthemasterrace once I get into the good ol boys prison days after he vandalised Melbourne Synogogue :D
 

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Aren't we just arguing semantics? What makes an authoritative 'democracy' right wing or left wing? How long has it been since China was communist?

I'd say that Brazil and Russia are prime examples of the authoritative capitalist government, but it's almost impossible to label them nowadays.
Are you able to give an example an authoritative democracy? Democracy is the very antithesis of authoritative.

How long since China has a communist society? Going by the dictionary they still are socialists.


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Communism, on the other hand, is a branch of socialism. It’s similar in that it’s still founded on the idea of collective cooperation, but differs in that communists believe that cooperation should be run by a totalitarian government made up of one and only one government.
 

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Left wing: Seeks to remove social hierarchies, generally by promoting the interests of the poor, ethnic and religious minorities, LGBTI and women.
Right wing: Seeks to advance social hierarchies, generally by persecuting the poor, ethnic and religious, minorities, LGBTI and women.

Economics has nothing to do with it. We're talking politics here, not economics.

Right wing people will advocate for dismantling racial discrimination laws, bans on 'non white' immigration, oppose LGBTI initiatives like Safe Schools, reject social welfare initiatives for the poor and workplace labor laws, and promote women in traditional roles and tax cuts for the wealthy (at the low end) moving up at the Far Right to calls to actively round up 'non whites', homosexuals and the disabled and send them to the gas chambers at the upper end.

Left wing people will advocate for more protection for ethnic and religious minorities, support immigration and LGBTI initiatives, support social welfare and labor laws, and advocate for increasing women in positions of authority via affirmative action programs. They'll also call for increased taxes for the wealthy. At the high end of the Far Left (full blown Communism) they'll support rounding up the wealthy and deporting them to gulags.

They're political positions, not economic ones.
The bolded an italic is definitely centred, left or right leaning. There is no logical conclusion that this exclusive to transparently left only thinking.

These are all progressive ideals that can be applied practically . Emphasis on practical, that is as centred as it gets.
 

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Franco, Hitler, Mussolini and so forth.

Left wing politics is not defined as 'control of the means of production' you goose
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Fail. Embarrasing fail. Its at the very hear of socialism. See clause four. As for a goose you are more akin to a blind mole.

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.[3]
 

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Absinthe. You obviously love the green fairy
They seek to (forcibly) create equality. Generally at the expense of the educated and wealthy.
Unhinged drivel. See ZIL lanes, GUM and little princelings in China.

They're not the same thing, although they are closely intertwined, and most if not all political positions, parties and theories will advocate for a particular economic model (usually socialism, capitalism or mixed) to better further the political positions goals.

Meds conflates the two all the time.
You are to politics what Damian Drum is to coaching.
 

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The "Hitler was a socialist" is a fringe theory not supported by evidence.
BS. Maybe read a few books on the subject rather than wallowing in such Maljazeera type muppetry.

Are you really trying to claim Hitler was really on about freedom from the state, low taxes, individualism, separation of powers, protecting institutions etc?

Noone with a nodding relationship to reality or even an inkling re history could make such an argument. The only argument is "oh he killed lots of people so he must be right wing". One of those libertarian dictators, been heaps of those.

Next thing Maljazeera will try and claim is that he kept a copy of "The Wealth of Nations" next to his bed.

Oh and as for evidence, apparently who needs it? Certainly not Ronald Wilson.

#picknxchoose
 

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Have to say, don't miss Bleh and Nool piping up every week with some new whinge.


Peter Grace's old page " Potatriots " was hilarious, apparently the Glass-Jaws didn't agree and sooked to the FB mods.
TBF, credit where it's due - try getting ANYONE booted off of fb.......
 
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Just my 2c worth it's not just 40 idiots in the Grampians.

To get to that point you need to be vetted over a period of time.

The modern far right groups use a similar method to OMCG's first you talk, then you get to hang around and finally you'll be admitted to the inner sanctum.

You can't just email Blood & Honour and get to go to the ISD Memorial Concert that weekend, it takes time and this is the very thing that intelligence agencies will find as their biggest stumbling block.

Also as well as the "40 "it's other groups that have "similar" beliefs e.g. no coincidence that the ISD memorial has been held at social clubs of a certain Balkan nationality a few times.

Had to laugh at the metal article Chief posted where it referred to the pub that became overrun with Nazis, it only happened as Gary the old publican of the Birmingham on Smith St shared their beliefs.
Heh. I remember a bit of argy-bargy during the dying days of this 'old Birmingham'. Don't remember if they were Nazi punks specifically but around twenty of them came on down to the Tote looking for a rumble. I was drinking at the Tote that night and I remember sh*t going on outside and all of a sudden there were ten cops inside the bar saying the entire pub was being shut down and could we all kindly f*ck off home.

I don't know if the punks managed to move on the Bendigo that night as well but it wouldn't surprise me. Punks and metalheads haven't always had an easy co-existence for some reason.
 

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Fail. Embarrasing fail. Its at the very hear of socialism. See clause four. As for a goose you are more akin to a blind mole.

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.[3]
digging a hole dude.. embarrassment is rife.. or else given me a shanty town.
 

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"Jarrad later released a video saying he’d visited Jack’s workplace because he had been doxxed by Antifa. Then he explained that he makes all his business and info public so he can’t be doxxed. Jarrad, if doxxing is the release of private or sensitive information and you made all this information public, doesn’t that mean you weren’t doxxed, mate?

Never mind. They’re not sending their best here."
 

Twoslabs

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I remember seeing both groups at a Motorhead gig
No issues
Lemmy is God so that would explain it
Yup Lemmy is the man, he was always a massive punk fan and even played in The Damned when they were The Doomed and trying to get back rights to the name.

There's also the "Motordamn" single which was meant to be an album however too many "substances" were consumed :D
 

Twoslabs

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"Jarrad later released a video saying he’d visited Jack’s workplace because he had been doxxed by Antifa. Then he explained that he makes all his business and info public so he can’t be doxxed. Jarrad, if doxxing is the release of private or sensitive information and you made all this information public, doesn’t that mean you weren’t doxxed, mate?

Never mind. They’re not sending their best here."
Some of the reviews on his business page in the last few hours have been somewhat amusing .....
 

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Some of the reviews on his business page in the last few hours have been somewhat amusing .....
"Temporarliy Closed"


Hopefully not just due to lockdown.

Can't see reviews - might have turned them off.
 

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