Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners

[Cyg1992]

I actually believe racism is the worst towards the sub continent migrants, honestly it's quite mainstream and it seems to come from "normal" people and often quite openly.

They are the scapegoat of the current decade.
Blaming all the economic issues on them is the crutch of present day racist Australia.

Before them it was the Islamic middle eastern community, before them the East and South East Asian community, before that the Southern European community, etc

The rallies at least lifted the mask on it all that they actually simply just want a white Australia.

 

[Gough]

Being old enough to have witnessed a couple of waves of immigration now it's difficult to think of anyone that's settled in quite as readily as the Indian diaspora. With all the shared British history and culture I would have thought they'd be welcome here by the integrate or else crowd.

 

[faible]

Being old enough to have witnessed a couple of waves of immigration now it's difficult to think of anyone that's settled in quite as readily as the Indian diaspora. With all the shared British history and culture I would have thought they'd be welcome here by the integrate or else crowd.

They've also got a high chance of improving our cricket team. What more do people want?

 

[BloatedSherrin]

Being old enough to have witnessed a couple of waves of immigration now it's difficult to think of anyone that's settled in quite as readily as the Indian diaspora. With all the shared British history and culture I would have thought they'd be welcome here by the integrate or else crowd.

 

[Carringbush2010]

as @Carringbush2010 did, and you subsequently defended him.

Incorrect, read my posts again, merely pointing out this issue is not black and white.

You give the impression you're blinded by your ideology.

 

[the_interloper]

They've also got a high chance of improving our cricket team. What more do people want?

I've been waiting for this to happen tbh, not many signs yet. Believe it or not this has been discussed ITT previously ha ha.

BTW Gethelred we do have a great legacy of wrist spinners but only Warney and Macgill in modern history really. When Warne came along I didn't really know what legspin was, I'd seen Trevor Hohns but that was about it.

I suppose cricketers from the subcontinent are known more for off spin, either way where the **** are they on our cricket scene? And it's not like they don't bat or wicketkeep or even bowl mediums for that matter.

 

[ReturningHawk]

You’re confused mate, not me. His crimes stem from his views. His crimes are now plain to see; serious assault on a number of occasions. You seem to be obsessed with the woke reference, substitute woke for out of step if it helps you; I’d like the punishment for him to be serious, not a slapped wrist this time.

I am talking about Sewell and his line of trajectory heading towards murder, why wouldn’t you want to circumvent that now after witnessing two violent assaults? Hence why he needs to be jailed. Isn’t jail the place you deserve to be after the behaviour you’ve carried out?

No, you can’t protect society from them, however we can protect society NOW after his behaviour.

You’re incredibly confused about the message you’re trying to send.

Crimes have nothing to do with views. You want the punishment to be serious, ok. I agree, throw the book at him. But no judge in the land has the power to punish him for breaking laws that don’t exist in the book. There is no law called “trajectory heading towards murder”. You have to prove that he was, or is planning to murder someone.

If you scroll through far-right facebook pages you’ll find they are obsessed with the fact that migrant offenders have received “lenient” sentencing and are incensed by the lack of jail time and carry out their own retribution in order to “protect society NOW”.

You have to be above that. Recognise the actual problem, it’s right under your nose. Racism in mainstream Australian society.

 

[Maddo11]

I've been waiting for this to happen tbh, not many signs yet. Believe it or not this has been discussed ITT previously ha ha.

BTW Gethelred we do have a great legacy of wrist spinners but only Warney and Macgill in modern history really. When Warne came along I didn't really know what legspin was, I'd seen Trevor Hohns but that was about it.

I suppose cricketers from the subcontinent are known more for off spin, either way where the **** are they on our cricket scene? And it's not like they don't bat or wicketkeep or even bowl mediums for that matter.

I know it's very off topic but all the "country" cricket teams I've been involved in are all very white still, with the immigrant populations preferring to play their own scratch matches on the random cement wicket grounds at odd hours amongst themselves. Sure it might be driven more by the language barrier or the cost but they definitely don't feel comfortable enough to join the established clubs and leagues yet.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I know it's very off topic but all the "country" cricket teams I've been involved in are all very white still, with the immigrant populations preferring to play their own scratch matches on the random cement wicket grounds at odd hours amongst themselves. Sure it might be driven more by the language barrier or the cost but they definitely don't feel comfortable enough to join the established clubs and leagues yet.

I think it depends on what level it is. While Indians love their cricket, there's not a lot of Indian-born migrant players that are actually good enough to play most medium to high levels of amateur cricket in Australia. We have the strongest grade cricket competition in the world. Remember, that while the Indian cricket team is strong, they are picking from a half a billion cricket obsessed men to build that team.

 

[Maddo11]

I think it depends on what level it is. While Indians love their cricket, there's not a lot of Indian-born migrant players that are actually good enough to play most medium to high levels of amateur cricket in Australia. We have the strongest grade cricket competition in the world. Remember, that while the Indian cricket team is strong, they are picking from a half a billion cricket obsessed men to build that team.

A very good point

 

[demondavey]

Crimes have nothing to do with views. You want the punishment to be serious, ok. I agree, throw the book at him. But no judge in the land has the power to punish him for breaking laws that don’t exist in the book. There is no law called “trajectory heading towards murder”. You have to prove that he was, or is planning to murder someone.

If you scroll through far-right facebook pages you’ll find they are obsessed with the fact that migrant offenders have received “lenient” sentencing and are incensed by the lack of jail time and carry out their own retribution in order to “protect society NOW”.

You have to be above that. Recognise the actual problem, it’s right under your nose. Racism in mainstream Australian society.

CRIMES HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIS VIEWS! His behaviour stems directly from his racist ideologies.

To date he has assaulted a security guard and now assaulted a member of the public on Sunday. This warrants a serious penalty given his actions, views and lack of remorse or ability to heed the message from his first offence.

He is being punished now for his current crimes, I am saying that his next victim might be killed given the gravity of what he has done already.

Don’t quote me again if you don’t understand this.

 

[Cyg1992]

Being old enough to have witnessed a couple of waves of immigration now it's difficult to think of anyone that's settled in quite as readily as the Indian diaspora. With all the shared British history and culture I would have thought they'd be welcome here by the integrate or else crowd.

They're all hard workers, very under represented in the various forms of welfare.
They are prolific in all sectors both traditionally prestigious work and in those that no Aussie wants to do.

Almost non existent in our prisons and commit hardly any crime.

If they violently defended themselves against the racism or were hidden away from the public in their homes on welfare they'd likely go unnoticed.
But because they're in virtually all sectors hard at work, basically everyone will interact with them at one point or another on a regular basis.

The ease at which their community have integrated may even be working against them in a perverse way.

Even the catch cry racist dog whistle of why don't they send their doctors and engineers?? ... Well guess what 2 industries are full of Indian/sub continent migrants or the descendants of them!

The bottom line is that it isn't at all to do with housing, integration, cost of living or any of that.
It's simply outright racism at the next-in-line migrant community and the racist rallies this past Sunday showed it.

What the **** would they be bringing up what the ANZACS fought for at a protest supposedly about cost of living and housing shortage??

 

[GrayRanga]

CRIMES HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIS VIEWS! His behaviour stems directly from his racist ideologies.

To date he has assaulted a security guard and now assaulted a member of the public on Sunday. This warrants a serious penalty given his actions, views and lack of remorse or ability to heed the message from his first offence.

He is being punished now for his current crimes, I am saying that his next victim might be killed given the gravity of what he has done already.

Don’t quote me again if you don’t understand this.

What breaches of the Crimes Act 1958 or any related legislation has he been convicted of? The number of charges that the prosecution has successfully prosecuted?

His pervious convictions can be taken into consideration by the Court if he is convicted of any subsequent offences that are related to previous offending. What isn the maximum sentences available under the Legislation for the offences ha has been charged with?

You seem to be saying that he should be slotted for an indefinate period of time without any reference to his crimes he has committed as described in legislation; something similar to sentencing to someone to be worked to death or starved in a Concentration camp for being of a certain religion or political belief

 

[demondavey]

What breaches of the Crimes Act 1958 or any related legislation has he been convicted of? The number of charges that the prosecution has successfully prosecuted?

His pervious convictions can be taken into consideration by the Court if he is convicted of any subsequent offences that are related to previous offending. What isn the maximum sentences available under the Legislation for the offences ha has been charged with?

You seem to be saying that he should be slotted for an indefinate period of time without any reference to his crimes he has committed as described in legislation; something similar to sentencing to someone to be worked to death or starved in a Concentration camp for being of a certain religion or political belief

Physical assault on that security guard. Blatant. Attack on the indigenous individual on the weekend.

You only need to look at the footage.

Incredibly dangerous individual.

Must be jailed at a minimum now.

Not sure what the legislation is on hate crimes as well but that plus the assault means he needs to be slotted.

 

[Gethelred]

I've been waiting for this to happen tbh, not many signs yet. Believe it or not this has been discussed ITT previously ha ha.

BTW Gethelred we do have a great legacy of wrist spinners but only Warney and Macgill in modern history really. When Warne came along I didn't really know what legspin was, I'd seen Trevor Hohns but that was about it.

I suppose cricketers from the subcontinent are known more for off spin, either way where the **** are they on our cricket scene? And it's not like they don't bat or wicketkeep or even bowl mediums for that matter.

Blame synthetic wickets for that. Concrete with matting on top provides slow spin and consistent bounce; it means that you have to be a freak in trajectory and/or off the deck to make it to the top, and then you've got to be accurate to boot or no captain will pick you.

But IMO the problem is captaincy rather than conditions. Too much short form cricket means much, much less overs for a spinner to operate in from one end with a dead, old ball. Once upon a time you had a bunch of old stagers who would play twos and threes until they were in their fifties and sixties bowling wrist spin at a certain standard; now, those blokes either don't play or play vets, and you lose the development opportunity borne from those old stagers playing beside kids, showing them the accuracy required to succeed. Then, you've got the genuine lack of trust conventional park cricket captains have for wrist spinners; either you're a gun and playing ones and you're being used as a risky attacking option to buy a wicket, or your captain has zero faith in you and you're still a risky option.

I developed a young bloke as a wrist spinner, from the time he was 12. By the time his juniors finished at 17's in a turf comp, he won comp aggrigate in a comp with multiple prem 2's and subbies ones opening bowlers in there. The senior captains at the club refused to bowl him, preferring fingerspinners as a change up, so he simply didn't play for most of that next season. He plays the final game, and the captain brings him on at my urging despite him not having trained and him not having played at this level before.

He took his first 5 wicket hall that day, as a 17 year old. First time he's bowled more than 10 overs that day, too. Went at below 2 runs an over, too. Synthetic wicket.

It's cowardice, and it's that which is holding Aust cricket back, IMO.

One of the fastest blokes I've ever seen was an Indian baker. Used to wake up at bloody two in the morning, go to work and work for six hours, go home then rock up and bowl some absolute smoke every Saturday. I once watched him ****ing toy with a bloke who was playing prem firsts just by ****ing with his pace, faster slower then regular pace, got right in his head.

You get all sorts of players coming from India or Pakistan. Guaranteed, most of the security guards around Melbourne could probably put a fair dent into any batting line up with a wide variety of bowling, if only they didn't need to work three jobs just to get PR.

 

[T2B_]

Relevant

Guy who claims he’s definitely not racist somehow keeps agreeing with Neo-Nazis – The Chaser

“There is no reason for me to rethink my views, clearly the problem is the people who disagree with me and the nazis."

chaser.com.au

 

[Gralin]

Relevant

Guy who claims he’s definitely not racist somehow keeps agreeing with Neo-Nazis – The Chaser

“There is no reason for me to rethink my views, clearly the problem is the people who disagree with me and the nazis."

chaser.com.au

I just saw this

 

[LongSerong]

How many army connections do you think the man still has? That's a rabbit hole of politics in itself

I would advocate strongly for the SAS/ASIO just make this man disappear, in a dark windowless cell for the rest of his life, but as people have said we don't want to make a martyr of him.

 

[GreyWind]

How many army connections do you think the man still has? That's a rabbit hole of politics in itself

I would advocate strongly for the SAS/ASIO just make this man disappear, in a dark windowless cell for the rest of his life, but as people have said we don't want to make a martyr of him.

I'd say more than a few connections.

Turnbull says actions of diggers who flew Nazi flag over Army vehicle 'completely unacceptable'

The ABC has obtained a photo of Australian soldiers flying a Nazi flag from an Army vehicle while on operations in Afghanistan. The ADF has called the incident "abhorrent" and the PM says it is "absolutely wrong".

www.abc.net.au

 

[the_interloper]

I know it's very off topic but all the "country" cricket teams I've been involved in are all very white still, with the immigrant populations preferring to play their own scratch matches on the random cement wicket grounds at odd hours amongst themselves. Sure it might be driven more by the language barrier or the cost but they definitely don't feel comfortable enough to join the established clubs and leagues yet.

It's a shame to hear that, especially with numbers playing cricket continuing to drop, there must be country clubs that really need numbers.

Blame synthetic wickets for that. Concrete with matting on top provides slow spin and consistent bounce; it means that you have to be a freak in trajectory and/or off the deck to make it to the top, and then you've got to be accurate to boot or no captain will pick you.

But IMO the problem is captaincy rather than conditions. Too much short form cricket means much, much less overs for a spinner to operate in from one end with a dead, old ball. Once upon a time you had a bunch of old stagers who would play twos and threes until they were in their fifties and sixties bowling wrist spin at a certain standard; now, those blokes either don't play or play vets, and you lose the development opportunity borne from those old stagers playing beside kids, showing them the accuracy required to succeed. Then, you've got the genuine lack of trust conventional park cricket captains have for wrist spinners; either you're a gun and playing ones and you're being used as a risky attacking option to buy a wicket, or your captain has zero faith in you and you're still a risky option.

I developed a young bloke as a wrist spinner, from the time he was 12. By the time his juniors finished at 17's in a turf comp, he won comp aggrigate in a comp with multiple prem 2's and subbies ones opening bowlers in there. The senior captains at the club refused to bowl him, preferring fingerspinners as a change up, so he simply didn't play for most of that next season. He plays the final game, and the captain brings him on at my urging despite him not having trained and him not having played at this level before.

He took his first 5 wicket hall that day, as a 17 year old. First time he's bowled more than 10 overs that day, too. Went at below 2 runs an over, too. Synthetic wicket.

It's cowardice, and it's that which is holding Aust cricket back, IMO.

One of the fastest blokes I've ever seen was an Indian baker. Used to wake up at bloody two in the morning, go to work and work for six hours, go home then rock up and bowl some absolute smoke every Saturday. I once watched him ****ing toy with a bloke who was playing prem firsts just by ****ing with his pace, faster slower then regular pace, got right in his head.

You get all sorts of players coming from India or Pakistan. Guaranteed, most of the security guards around Melbourne could probably put a fair dent into any batting line up with a wide variety of bowling, if only they didn't need to work three jobs just to get PR.

I grew up playing on matting, yeah tough for spinners no doubt, good for developing your back foot game as a batsman though!

I think with spinners captains need to empower the bowler to set their own fields, the bowler should know more about spin than the skipper. With quicks it's pretty much how many slips the skip will give you, other than that the field should be part of an overall plan to get the batsman out which usually comes from the captain.

I'm trying to get one of my under 10s to bowl leggies, he has the wrist action quite good already naturally. He wants to bowl pace though, he's gonna be short, leggies a better option. Like the story you outline because of the captains that the kid will meet on the way up gonna be hard to stick to it. It's not just the fields but when they get a bowl, some captains will just chuck them on when the oppostion are 2/200 and you've bowled all the mediums, they need to get a chance at fresh batsmen.

 

[Gough]

That was life as a pre Warne leggie, your coach was clueless, your captain equally so and the best you could hope for was a team mate's dad helping you out. Post Warne everyone and their uncle was telling you to drop your front shoulder bowling a wrong un and giving you advice on wrist positioning.

 

[MrKK]

I've been waiting for this to happen tbh, not many signs yet. Believe it or not this has been discussed ITT previously ha ha.

BTW Gethelred we do have a great legacy of wrist spinners but only Warney and Macgill in modern history really. When Warne came along I didn't really know what legspin was, I'd seen Trevor Hohns but that was about it.

I suppose cricketers from the subcontinent are known more for off spin, either way where the **** are they on our cricket scene? And it's not like they don't bat or wicketkeep or even bowl mediums for that matter.

Lots of gun Indian kids drop back their cricket when they're in high school and their parents heavily push their education over sport. That's the same time as the elite pathways are concentrating talent so these kids drop down the pecking order and never reach the top.

 

[Gough]

Lots of gun Indian kids drop back their cricket when they're in high school and their parents heavily push their education over sport. That's the same time as the elite pathways are concentrating talent so these kids drop down the pecking order and never reach the top.

Harsha Bhogle said that the IPL has changed this and more parents now see cricket as a respectable career.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Harsha Bhogle said that the IPL has changed this and more parents now see cricket as a respectable career.

In terms of revenue, the IPL is the second largest sporting competition in the world atm, and fast closing the gap between it and the NFL at #1.

There is also the likelihood of a U.S. equivalent cricket competition being established which will take it to a new level again.

 

[Elroo]

Liberal Senator Alex Antic floats neo-Nazi theory: ​

These guys are paid actors!

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/straight-out-of-central-casting-liberal-senator-alex-antic-floats-neonazi-theory/news-story/26277943ebbefba7bbf85d7520f0342f