Politics Aussie Fascists, (neo)Nazis and Leg Spinners

[demondavey]

The reality is that this is not slowing down. It’s not seen as serious and you’ll have people playing it down as a minority group of angry fascist sub groups but the traction these small sub groups are now attracting is starting to make them more relevant.

The younger generation of young men in the space of 10 - 20 have now seen almost two terms entirely of Donald Trump, have seen the manosphere and Andrew Tait gain popularity, have seen Black Lives Matter movement trashed by the all lives matter agenda, and are seeing a constant flow of anti woke ideologies through the algorithms of their downloads and browsing data.

The notion of a progressive society of men that’s adopting higher levels of respect whilst embracing minority groups is dwindling, especially at the extremes; low socioeconomics and the wealthy class who feel ‘oppressed’ because their conservative mindsets are not in vogue with a Labor government. These young men are being indoctrinated with neo Nazi agendas like it’s some form of choice given that the term free speech has been so widely abused to give oxygen to the bigots.

Basically Andrew Tait needs banning in Australia in totality, Thomas Sewell needs a jail sentence, the government needs to treat Nazis like the British treated IRA members and put them in internment camps to contribute to our economy as part of their sentence, and the police needs Carte Blanche to arrest and detain any extremist ideological groups that fit a terrorist agenda.

 

[Cyg1992]

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A match made in hell.

I read that article earlier tonight.

I remember they tried to tell us that tate and the manosphere was just about giving young blokes confidence, working out, etc

I guess the shit about becoming a neo Nazi with a white slave is just reserved for the paid members.

 

[Cyber_punk]

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Well this is what happens when you continually do nothing against these people. Now they are emboldened to openly threatening MPs with rape and murder.

'Vile abuse' against MPs after Neo-Nazi demonstration referred to police

The federal Member for Wentworth and the NSW Member for Vaucluse posted to social media denouncing the antisemitic rally by Neo-Nazis in Sydney, and offensive messages they received in response have been flagged with police.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Gralin]

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Well this is what happens when you continually do nothing against these people. Now they are emboldened to openly threatening MPs with rape and murder.

'Vile abuse' against MPs after Neo-Nazi demonstration referred to police

The federal Member for Wentworth and the NSW Member for Vaucluse posted to social media denouncing the antisemitic rally by Neo-Nazis in Sydney, and offensive messages they received in response have been flagged with police.

www.abc.net.au

Those new laws to combat anti-Semitism that Minns brought in working a treat I see

 

[Chief]

I read that article earlier tonight.

I remember they tried to tell us that tate and the manosphere was just about giving young blokes confidence, working out, etc

I guess the shit about becoming a neo Nazi with a white slave is just reserved for the paid members.

If you are gonna tell young men they shouldn't become Lambo-driving sex traffickers, well then of COURSE they will become neo-Nazis.

It's all the leftisms fault!

 

[FlowersByIrene]

"Behaviour deemed unacceptably offensive by some, may not trouble others at all," Magistrate Wardell said

Wtf? This has to be one of the most flawed remarks issued by a magistrate in the past 50 years.

What's next?

"Aggravated robbery deemed unacceptably intrusive by some, may not be intrusive to others at all,"

"A sexual assault deemed unacceptably traumatising by some, may not be traumatising to others at all,"

The examples aren't really equivalent though are they. The issue at hand was speech. The example you provide are actions. There is a clear nexus to harm in the actions you give as example. Is the same in speech? If you would argue that all that is required for an offence is that behaviour is deemed "unnaceptably offensive by some", then that is a low bar. It's all well and good while you are on the side of the majority or the enforcement, on the side of the "some", but what if consensus or government shifts and the "some" oppose you?

 

[Cyg1992]

If you are gonna tell young men they shouldn't become Lambo-driving sex traffickers, well then of COURSE they will become neo-Nazis.

It's all the leftisms fault!

It's the next logical step.

 

[demondavey]

The examples aren't really equivalent though are they. The issue at hand was speech. The example you provide are actions. There is a clear nexus to harm in the actions you give as example. Is the same in speech? If you would argue that all that is required for an offence is that behaviour is deemed "unnaceptably offensive by some", then that is a low bar. It's all well and good while you are on the side of the majority or the enforcement, on the side of the "some", but what if consensus or government shifts and the "some" oppose you?

You’ll make any excuse.

You’ve got form.

 

[demondavey]

Far-right figure who visited ‘motherland’ Germany is close to forming national party — The Sydney Morning Herald

Sydney man Jack Eltis said the National Socialist Network “was about 90 per cent” of the way to forming state and national parties.

apple.news

Close to forming a political party. That has to be a very concerning development for our society.

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah the last thing you want in a democracy is people forming parties and standing for elections based on their policy platforms. Well as long as they dont rock the boat on the value of property - it is all cool and fine I guess.

 

[Gough]

Yeah the last thing you want in a democracy is people forming parties and standing for elections based on their policy platforms. Well as long as they dont rock the boat on the value of property - it is all cool and fine I guess.

We had a minute's silence yesterday to commemorate all the people who died trying to stop these pieces of shit imposing their will on us. Do you really think we should welcome them into our Parliament?

 

[UltraEgo]

Yeah the last thing you want in a democracy is people forming parties and standing for elections based on their policy platforms. Well as long as they dont rock the boat on the value of property - it is all cool and fine I guess.

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[JustaBattler]

We had a minute's silence yesterday to commemorate all the people who died trying to stop these pieces of shit imposing their will on us. Do you really think we should welcome them into our Parliament?

I'm pretty sure - although I could be wrong about this that whoever you are pointing fingers at weren't alive in the 1930's. I prefer my brand of democracy to yours- you sound like a totalitarian to me I don't like totalitarian POV expressed by those self declared knowers of whats best for everyone irrespective of the mangled words and phrases they use. Best to let arguments be aired and live or die according to their own merit.

 

[JustaBattler]

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I'm very serious about democracy and what it means.

 

[Beerfish]

Best to let arguments be aired and live or die according to their own merit.

These arguments have already been had. We fought a war over them. You don't do it again because people today didn't do it the first time.

 

[JustaBattler]

These arguments have already been had. We fought a war over them. You don't do it again because people today didn't do it the first time.

Unfortunately that isn't how the world works - arguments are forever and ever and ever - 'how' they are 'argued' is more important than the arguments themselves. Better to use words than bullets.

 

[Gough]

Better to use words than bullets.

Not where Nazis are concerned.

 

[Beerfish]

Unfortunately that isn't how the world works - arguments are forever and ever and ever - 'how' they are 'argued' is more important than the arguments themselves. Better to use words than bullets.

Again, we've been here before. When Nazis are involved it will always lead to bullets one way or another.

 

[Gough]

Again, we've been here before. When Nazis are involved it will always lead to bullets one way or another.

Apparently the movement led by the guy who went to court to get access to Mein Kampf have changed and just want to be part of the democratic process now.

 

[Gralin]

They need 1500 members who are willing to provide their details to the AEC to register the party

Should be fun to see how that goes

apart from that though I don't think the nazi party is good for democracy given they don't want democracy

 

[JustaBattler]

Not where Nazis are concerned.

I'm sure you don't condone shooting people who are wanting to express their POV - that would be an untenable proposition for any civil society. Better to let bad ideas drown in their badness I think. Shine the light on stupidities and they wither- try and use censorship and they grow in little dark corners. I'm not a fan of the woke left or the woke right posturings - it is very difficult to have a civil conversation using rational language with either herd of idjots.

 

[Gralin]

I'm sure you don't condone shooting people who are wanting to express their POV - that would be an untenable proposition for any civil society. Better to let bad ideas drown in their badness I think. Shine the light on stupidities and they wither- try and use censorship and they grow in little dark corners. I'm not a fan of the woke left or the woke right posturings - it is very difficult to have a civil conversation using rational language with either herd of idjots.

amazing how often someone says the left and right are equally bad while running cover for the right

 

[faible]

I'm sure you don't condone shooting people who are wanting to express their POV - that would be an untenable proposition for any civil society. Better to let bad ideas drown in their badness I think. Shine the light on stupidities and they wither- try and use censorship and they grow in little dark corners. I'm not a fan of the woke left or the woke right posturings - it is very difficult to have a civil conversation using rational language with either herd of idjots.

Pretty tough to have civil conversations with neo-Nazis.

We know all about their ideology and where it leads. Anyone who doesn't needs to go visit Auschwitz.

 

[faible]

amazing how often someone says the left and right are equally bad while running cover for the right

tHeY'rE tHe SaMe ThInG they say when comparing people saying 'trans people have a right to exist' with people saying 'lets start pulling random coloured people off the street and lock them up for no reason'.

 

[B4Bear]

I attended the Shrine for Remembrance Day. The ever whining righteous were in attendance, as always.

You know the ones, true blue, dinkie die, Holden/ford driving Ozzie Patriots.

Wearing there all black ensemble, they as is their wont, turned their backs to the brief welcome to country and did the same to the Governor when she said the same.

Then did the same when the head of the multicultural society gave the keynote speech. How as a 12 year old fleeing Vietnam in a boat and became an Australian.

How during her sobs of gratitude she thanked Australia and the ADF for giving her and her family a wonderful life, they showed her nothing but contempt.

And when my mate and I stood to attention and saluted during the playing of the national anthem, they slouched around with hands in pockets and boredom on their faces.

So no, both sides aren’t the same, and they have expressed their views.

And **** them very much. I would happily see them proscribed, just like any other terrorist that wants to affect change through violent action or intimidation.

They predecessors lost in 1945, and we don’t give do overs.