Australia Day - Shifting the Date

[Power Raid]

You referred to them sarcastically as 'peace loving', suggesting they were violent. Our society has become so restrictive, so soft to protest, that a bit of spray paint makes us brick ourselves.

I hear you but the nutbag right and nutbag left probably wouldn't like what they see if they held a mirror to themselves.

 

[jim b]

Nope sorry

Well then you're a complete *ing moron and i give up all hope for this country


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[radiojake]

 

[Gough]

Now the NT Chief Minister has joined the debate. The government isn't going to to be able to just keep batting this away, or sternly lecturing those that dare question Australia Day.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-and-should-be-changed-nt-chief-minister-says

The Northern Territory chief minister has called for changes to Australia Day celebrations to highlight “the Aboriginal contribution to our national identity” and acknowledge the lasting trauma of Indigenous dispossession.

Michael Gunner said the Territory Labor government would also move to elevate the use of Indigenous place names and official recognition of frontier atrocities committed against Aboriginal Australians.

Gunner said while 26 January marked the beginning of the modern nation in 1788 and the “good and bad of the coexistence of the First Australians and new Australians”, it was clear it was “a date of mourning” for many Australians.


The NT leader, who is also the president of the Australia Day Council, said he had urged the council “to explore new ways forward” to “meaningfully acknowledge the entire story of our nation”.

“This means more than acknowledgement of country and a smoking ceremony,” Gunner said in a speech in the town of Jabiru to mark his Labor government’s one-year anniversary.

“It means a genuine celebration of the Aboriginal contribution to our national identity … and acknowledgement of the frontier trauma passed from generation to generation and still killing people today in the guise of grog, suicide and sickness.”

Gunner said the NT, where a third of people were Indigenous and half of the land mass was “Aboriginal under Australian law”, “should and will lead how we best celebrate Australia Day together”.

He did not mention the issue of changing the date – a recent flashpoint of conflict between the federal government and some councils in Melbourne – but said he was “open to all conversations” in striving to “hit a balance between commemoration and respectful celebration”.

Gunner also flagged a move to have more Indigenous place names in the NT to “elevate Aboriginal identity, language and history into the everyday”.

“This is about historical accuracy as much as it is about respect. Uluru was Uluru many generations before it was Ayers Rock,” he said.

Gunner said he wondered how many Australians knew that the NT capital of Darwin was known as Garramilla to its traditional owners, the Larrakia people.

Citing high-profile overseas commemorations of Gallipoli and Pearl Harbour, Gunner said the NT government had begun consulting on “how we can acknowledge the historical injustices in our own backyard better”.


“This could mean markers or monuments so people know what happened, where it happened, and when it happened,” he said.

“Aboriginal men, women and children died for their country … for their families … for their way of life … and they will be remembered.”

Gunner said he supported “the idea of an ongoing annual day of observance for the horrors meted out at the frontier” and a national schools curriculum that taught “the displacement, the trauma, disease and the massacres” inflicted on Indigenous people.

He also pledged the government’s commitment to the ongoing survival of the town of Jabiru, which had faced closure from 2012 with the winding down of Rio Tinto subsidiary ERA’s uranium mining operations.

Gunner said he supported the “repurposing” of Jabiru, which lies in in “the heart Kakadu national park”, from “tired mining town to a services and tourism hub”.

It could be both an education and health services hub for west Arnhem people and “where visitors come from all over the world to learn about this special place through the eyes of its ancient people”, he said.

Gunner’s remarks about Australia Day follow the Turnbull government’s attacks on local councils in Melbourne that scrapped Australia Day citizenship ceremonies in line with a campaign to change the date from what some call “Invasion Day”.

The Turnbull government responded by stripping Yarra and Darebin councils of their citizenship ceremony powers.

Gunner said Australia Day “should be about unity, not division, and for the health and harmony of our nation, Australia Day must evolve”.

“January 26, 1788, marked the beginning of our modern nation … the beginning, good and bad, of the coexistence of the First Australians and the new Australians,” he said.

“This is our history and it is important.

“The arrival of Arthur Phillip at Sydney Cove also marked the landfall of the disease and dispossession – and for many Australians, it is a date of mourning.

“The Northern Territory is alive to this more than anywhere in Australia. It is clear in my own caucus, which has five Aboriginal Australians. It is clear when I travel around the Territory.

“I want to stand with my colleagues and friends and acknowledge everything our forebears have contributed and struggled against to get us where we are, be it over four generations, or a thousand generations.”

 

[Sainteric]

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Our friends in bathurst need a history lesson

The first thing the ana and other pro australia groups after federation although they wanted 26 jan, did was try to change empire day in may to australia day. Empire day was far the most celebrated national day because most people saw themselves as british. Foundation day was 26 Jan. During ww1 they changed this to july as the most opportune time to sell more war bonds. One the population started to feel more australian they moved the date to Jan.

 

[radiojake]

Interesting to know, thanks

 

[Maggie5]

Yep Moreland Council now considering change.

 

[TimmeT]

Yep Moreland Council now considering change.

Not shocked considering that is another council run by extreme leftist filth like Darebin and Yarra are...

 

[tony dragun]

This is how our original habitants celebrate Australia Day:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-11/perth-esplanade-murder-verdicts-handed-down/8684438

 

[Reynolds Number]

Anyone watch Media Watch last night?

Turns out that Stan Grant did not advocate removing the statues, he said that some indigenous wanted it removed while he was accepting of them staying (with the plagues being reworded).

More jumping at shadows from the dropkicks.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4725258.htm

 

[JackOutback]

It was all in the original article. But the permanently outraged don't need facts or information to be outraged.

 

[King Brown]

According to Dan Sultan, the genocide is ongoing.

Dan Sultan has asked Australian politicians to listen to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people on changing the date of Australia Day, saying that 26 January is a date “that started the ongoing genocide of our people”.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-is-racist-as-he-calls-for-date-to-be-changed

Funny, I don't see any death camps.

If there is a genocide in Australia, then why not violent resistance from those who believe it? If you don't do everything in your power to stop it, you are complicit.

Or is this just hyperbolic nonsense from an intellectually bankrupt movement?

 

[Gough]

Or is this just hyperbolic nonsense from an intellectually bankrupt movement?

What's intellectually bankrupt about suggesting that a growing number of Australians think that it's time we seriously looked at Australia Day?

 

[King Brown]

What's intellectually bankrupt about suggesting that a growing number of Australians think that it's time we seriously looked at Australia Day?

It's a bit more than that. It's an assertion that colonisation was a mistake when it was anything but. It is not limited to Australia Day but all aspects of white settlement.

Does anyone actually think the indigenous would still be living their pre-1788 lifestyle in 2017?

Do you share the view that there is an ongoing genocide?

 

[FredLeDeux]

It's a bit more than that. It's an assertion that colonisation was a mistake when it was anything but. It is not limited to Australia Day but all aspects of white settlement.

Does anyone actually think the indigenous would still be living their pre-1788 lifestyle in 2017?

Do you share the view that there is an ongoing genocide?

No.
That's probably why nobody has said it.

 

[King Brown]

No.
That's probably why nobody has said it.

Then why is Australia Day bad? It was the arrival of modernity to these shores. It was always going to happen. Why mourn it?

It is the events after the landing that are worth mourning, not the fact that a more sophisticated civilisation came here. What happened on 26 January 1788 was always going to happen.

Do you share the view that there is an ongoing genocide?

 

[Gough]

It's a bit more than that. It's an assertion that colonisation was a mistake when it was anything but. It is not limited to Australia Day but all aspects of white settlement.

Does anyone actually think the indigenous would still be living their pre-1788 lifestyle in 2017?

Do you share the view that there is an ongoing genocide?

I think white Australia still takes a very paternalistic approach to the Indigenous community, and still thinks it knows better. After the Garma Festival a list of recommendations, a wish list of sorts was submitted to the government on how to improve the lot of Indigenous people, and it was largely dismissed out of hand, in favour of income quarantining, and closure of remote communities. There has to be compromise along the way, but at the moment it seems to be a bit of a one way street.

 

[King Brown]

I think white Australia still takes a very paternalistic approach to the Indigenous community, and still thinks it knows better. After the Garma Festival a list of recommendations, a wish list of sorts was submitted to the government on how to improve the lot of Indigenous people, and it was largely dismissed out of hand, in favour of income quarantining, and closure of remote communities. There has to be compromise along the way, but at the moment it seems to be a bit of a one way street.

Does that constitute genocide?

 

[tandino]

Has there been any polling as to the change of date for Australia Day?

 

[King Brown]

in favour of income quarantining, and closure of remote communities. There has to be compromise along the way, but at the moment it seems to be a bit of a one way street.

Personally I think the whole argument against the closure of remote communities is backwards. Rural and regional white Australia is heavily disadvantaged compared to the cities, with problems such as drug abuse and unemployment. Yet no one asserts (aside from the nitwit Nationals) that their ways of life need to be maintained. If you want economic opportunity for you and your children, move to a capital city.

When more than half the world's population lives in cities of sizes 500k+ (and the remainder in small towns) how can we assert that it is better for the indigenous to remain in remote lifestyles? Is it not better to have them transition to modern, urban lifestyles?

The way it should be done can be handled much better than the way that muppet Colin Barnett did, but we also have to come to terms with reality: that way of life is over. It is never coming back.

 

[JackOutback]

Does that constitute genocide?

I can't speak for Dan Sultan, but I believe he may be referring to the eradication of Aboriginal culture, which has been ongoing. It might not be what you think when you hear genocide, but it's not without merit.

As for arguments that another country would have colonised Australia, that doesn't justify past injustices. It's a deflection tactic designed to avoid talking about our history openly and honestly.

 

[King Brown]

I can't speak for Dan Sultan, but I believe he may be referring to the eradication of Aboriginal culture, which has been ongoing. It might not be what you think when you hear genocide, but it's not without merit.

If it is not without merit, then why don't those who believe it has merit actively resist the genocidal state? If you are not taking a stand against genocide, then what distinguishes you from the Quislings of history?

As for arguments that another country would have colonised Australia, that doesn't justify past injustices. It's a deflection tactic designed to avoid talking about our history openly and honestly.

Nothing justifies past injustices. They happened. Time to move on.

It's not about arguments whether another country would have colonised, it's whether the indigenous way of life would have remained into the 21st century. However the modern world arrived here it would have resulted in something traumatic for the indigenous. They knew no other life and were about to have that end. It's cruel, but that's the story of human history. No hunter gatherer culture has survived contact with more sophisticated civilisations.

 

[JackOutback]

If it is not without merit, then why don't those who believe it has merit actively resist the genocidal state? If you are not taking a stand against genocide, then what distinguishes you from the Quislings of history?


Nothing justifies past injustices. They happened. Time to move on.

It's not about arguments whether another country would have colonised, it's whether the indigenous way of life would have remained into the 21st century. However the modern world arrived here it would have resulted in something traumatic for the indigenous. They knew no other life and were about to have that end. It's cruel, but that's the story of human history. No hunter gatherer culture has survived contact with more sophisticated civilisations.

Victim blaming, really? It's not genocide because you don't think they are fighting hard enough?

As for the rest, it's very easy to say it's time to move on from past injustices when one suffers none of the effects of those injustices. Aboriginal people, on the other hand, are living the consequences of past policy.

 

[King Brown]

Victim blaming, really? It's not genocide because you don't think they are fighting hard enough?

Are you indigenous? Are you a victim of genocide? Either Sultan is correct or he isn't. If you think he is correct, why are you standing by and letting genocide happen?

As for the rest, it's very easy to say it's time to move on from past injustices when one suffers none of the effects of those injustices. Aboriginal people, on the other hand, are living the consequences of past policy.

They're living the consequences of being a people completely unprepared for the modern world. It's not up to us to cut ourselves up over past wrongs, it's required of everyone to help them adjust to the modern world, not pretend otherwise.

Pretending otherwise is supposing 26 January 1788 is the date that doomed their way of life, when it were doomed regardless.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

If it wasn't for Macquarie god knows how s**t the colony, and country, would have been. He was pivotal in it becoming the mostly egalitarian country it is today.

Can the "Alternate history might've been worse" people please go * themselves?