Australia tour of New Zealand, 2021- 5 T20 matches

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Who honestly knows it can't be his performance on the field! Must have been how he helped his BBL side to so many wins I'm guessing...oh wait. The other one that could have been picked is Bartlett who actually swings the thing!
I don't think Langer and co even know who Bartlett is yet -- let alone swing! For a guy who supposedly eats, sleeps and breathes cricket 24/7, you wouldn't know it!
 

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Warner and Finch have been a bit of a scourge on our white ball teams really.

They flat track bully and no one else gets a bat when the going is easy.

When the going is tougher they fail and the other bats haven't got the time in the middle behind them and are basically set up to fail.
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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479 runs @ 36.85, SR 147.38

Recency bias playing a huge factor here. Sure, he had an absolute stinker of a BBL, but to suggest his recent Australian white ball form has been a scourge is just wrong.

Couldn't be bothered doing Davey because, well, I don't care about him.
 

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I don't think Langer and co even know who Bartlett is yet -- let alone swing! For a guy who supposedly eats, sleeps and breathes cricket 24/7, you wouldn't know it!
Langer didn't pick the t20 squad, it was McDonald and it could have been Ponting as a selector but I could be wrong on the latter.
 

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They might have the same attitude as myself,why are we over there playing 5 T20 games with a 2nd 11 side.Would be better back here playing real cricket,that being Sheffield Shield.
If they don't want to be there they can bugger off for good. Ask Phillipe what he thought of yesterday and you'd get a vastly different response.
 
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They might have the same attitude as myself,why are we over there playing 5 T20 games with a 2nd 11 side.Would be better back here playing real cricket,that being Sheffield Shield.
There's a T20 World Cup later this year so this series gives both teams some preparation for that and a chance to experiment with different line ups.
 

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If they don't want to be there they can bugger off for good. Ask Phillips what he thought of yesterday and you'd get a vastly different response.
I agree with that comment,perhaps they should have left Finch,Stoinis and Maxwell and Carey back in Australia and give them an opportunity to play red ball cricket again.The biggest problem I suppose was a test series being fixtured at the same time as a T20 series.
 

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Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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673 runs @ 56.08, SR 81.67

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479 runs @ 36.85, SR 147.38

Recency bias playing a huge factor here. Sure, he had an absolute stinker of a BBL, but to suggest his recent Australian white ball form has been a scourge is just wrong.

Couldn't be bothered doing Davey because, well, I don't care about him.
What I am saying is that he scores sh*t loads of runs on flat tracks and then fails when it matters i.e WC semi final.

Because he scores a sh*t load of runs on flat tracks no one else gets a run at it.

Then when he fails everyone else hasn't had the time in the middle to successfully pick up the slack.

So the success of Finch and Warner has ultimately hurt the team IMO.

Same thing happened at the Hurricanes the other year with Short and Wade scoring the majority of their runs. Get to a final and they fail and you are screwed.
 

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I agree with that comment,perhaps they should have left Finch,Stoinis and Maxwell and Carey back in Australia and give them an opportunity to play red ball cricket again.The biggest problem I suppose was a test series being fixtured at the same time as a T20 series.
Hahaha Finch playing red ball cricket again funny joke lol
 

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I agree with that comment,perhaps they should have left Finch,Stoinis and Maxwell and Carey back in Australia and give them an opportunity to play red ball cricket again.The biggest problem I suppose was a test series being fixtured at the same time as a T20 series.
With the exception of Carey, none of them are in the frame for Test match cricket. And Carey was picked in the Test squad for South Africa and thus is still in Australia following its cancellation and will be available to play Shield.
 

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With the exception of Carey, none of them are in the frame for Test match cricket. And Carey was picked in the Test squad for South Africa and thus is still in Australia following its cancellation and will be available to play Shield.
A few on here including myself think Maxwell should be in the frame to play Test match cricket and Maxi himself is still keen to play test cricket.BUT how can they select him for Test Cricket considering he has not been able to play red ball cricket for 18 months.As I keep saying wasted talent and should have played more then 7 tests for Australia.
 

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A few on here including myself think Maxwell should be in the frame to play Test match cricket and Maxi himself is still keen to play test cricket.BUT how can they select him for Test Cricket considering he has not been able to play red ball cricket for 18 months.As I keep saying wasted talent and should have played more then 7 tests for Australia.
I tend to agree that Maxwell should be in consideration but I don't think he is.
 

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Warner and Finch have been a bit of a scourge on our white ball teams really.

They flat track bully and no one else gets a bat when the going is easy.

When the going is tougher they fail and the other bats haven't got the time in the middle behind them and are basically set up to fail.
As opposed to everyone else (bar Smith and Maxwell) who fails 90+% of the time in any conditions?
 

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How did Ash Agar get selected having played 0 BBL matches??
Over half our squad has hardly ever fired a shot at international T20 level, yet you single out our international T20 player of the year because he didn’t play a domestic comp? Bizarre.

Given the selectors will select two spinners every time he’s in our best XI and easily.
 

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his bowling is ok. not convinced about him in the lower order hitting role, but we probably don't have a better option.
Depends if you want a weak fifth bowler/s or a weak number seven batsman tbh.

Let’s be honest the selectors will always select two spinners especially in India. Agar would be getting a game batting at eight anyway imo.
 

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All comes back to the mighty dollar.It seems T20 Cricket is where the big bucks come from and Maxwell is the main man in the ACB eyes,need him playing the short term game.
Don’t think it’s dollars. Maxwell isn’t bringing any more punters through the gates. The game already sells and there’s plenty of entertainers that one person doesn’t make all the difference. Just don’t think the selectors see him as having the temperament for red ball cricket. I reckon they are hasty and he wouldn’t do worse than Wade at number 5.
 

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Over half our squad has hardly ever fired a shot at international T20 level, yet you single out our international T20 player of the year because he didn’t play a domestic comp? Bizarre.

Given the selectors will select two spinners every time he’s in our best XI and easily.
Settle mate, pointing out the fact he's had zero match practice for months.

Also, we know those 'player of the year' awards aren't worth the paper they're written on.
 

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Finch probably needs a spell. It was clear coming in his form was well below par. If he's struggled his last dozen or so games at domestic levels, why did we expect he'd suddenly find form overseas against a far better bowling lineup than anything he's failed against recently?

If available, guys to try as openers ahead of him at the moment are even players like Stoinis, Short, Carey, Weatherald,

I know everyone has their flaws, but at least those guys have made some recent runs in the comp where Finch hasn't, and I almost guarantee they'd have had a better innings than Finch's 1 from 2.
 

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Finch probably needs a spell. It was clear coming in his form was well below par. If he's struggled his last dozen or so games at domestic levels, why did we expect he'd suddenly find form overseas against a far better bowling lineup than anything he's failed against recently?

If available, guys to try as openers ahead of him at the moment are even players like Stoinis, Short, Carey, Weatherald,

I know everyone has their flaws, but at least those guys have made some recent runs in the comp where Finch hasn't, and I almost guarantee they'd have had a better innings than Finch's 1 from 2.

Similar thoughts with Finch,even if he went back to club cricket or even shield ,played some red ball cricket and re charge the batteries.
 

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