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Australia v India, 1st Test at Adelaide Oval Dec 6-10.

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  1. Marshland

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    Aye. And we make for the more likable team. :thumbsu:
     
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  2. Visions

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    Problem is the bowlers can’t keep on saving our skin every time. They got us into a great position yet the so called elite batsman of this country failed us yet again.

    Common theme and will be until the selectors stop with their stupid selections.
     
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    much easier to support nz, you haven't had to put up with all your players being flogs for a decade plus
     
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    Matthew Wade is 30. Ponting, Hayden, Clarke and Smith* were all averaging 50 in Test cricket by that time of their career. There is no issue with someone failing, working on their weaknesses and coming back. I was all for Wade coming in to replace Nevill a few years ago, I was fine with Handscomb coming back in this test. I’ll be happy when Renshaw returns to the team. But there is a problem when you just keep recycling the same players over and over again when they’ve proved they are not up to it.
     
  5. Richard Pryor

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    The issue is that Australia cannot hold our players to the Golden Age standards. It is not realistic to expect batsmen to be averaging 50+ at 30 with our current reality, and there is no point rushing younger players development (ie; selecting Pucovski) in an unrealistic attempt to reach that standard. Wade would be a player you'd put a line through if it was 2008, but at the moment I think he is on the table, despite the legitimate arguments against him.
     
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  6. harrythetiger

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    Nah man didn’t you see how good he looked in the nets, how audacious some of his stroke play was in his 3 runs yesterday, and his bubbling optimism that just makes you love him :drunk:
     
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  7. Hunglikemajak

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    Wade has never been in better form and there is no other batsman in the country that is not in the test side that has scored more runs than him in shield cricket. In the last 12 months he’s scored over 1000 runs. Seven 50’s and four 100’s including a century in last years shield final. This season he has come out to bat in the midst of a 4 wicket collapse 6 times and has scored four 50’s guiding his side to a respectable score before running out of batting partners. His form now is far more relevant than his failures as long as 6 years ago.

    The Australian side is screaming for somebody that values his wicket, can dig in and stem the flow of wickets, and can bat with the tail. There’s only 2 players in our current test side with more centuries at test level than Wade. Bring in a bloke who’s got experience at test level, is a fighter and is in the form of his life. Sounds pretty simple to me.
     
  8. Blackhawk42

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    Low scoring slog so far.
    Handscomb threw away his good work with an awful shot. But 34 off 90 odd in the context of this game is as good as a half century in a lot of others.
    Want to see how close we get to their first innings total before sinking the boots in.
     
  9. DaRick

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    You made a fairly persuasive case to re-select Wade.

    But is Ashwin's good record against him a concern?
     
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    It’s a shame renshaw is horribly out of form
     
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    Marshs dismissal should be career ending.

    Unless he comes out bigtime second innings he wont play again
     
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    Once again the batters undo the bowlers good work
     
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    Plugger35 The umpires are always right!

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    We have had not many if any flogs since I've been supporting NZ.

    Greatbatch could be a bit of a flog.

    He told Tony Grieg to GAGF after he took a classic catch at the Gabba.



    Also heard that he gave Steve Waugh a serve when he caught him in a test match in NZ.

    He was the sort of bloke that held on to a grudge and didn't let them forget it.
     
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    I thought the UAE tour would have been but his last name is Marsh...
     
  15. Hunglikemajak

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    Mohammed Hafeez has a great record against Steve Smith. Do we sit him out of tests against Pakistan to mitigate the one sided match up?

    Ridiculous suggestion.
     
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    What in heaven's name are you talking about? ODI cricket? How does that have any real bearing on this discussion?

    Even if you were right, Ashwin is a much better bowler than Hafeez and Wade is a far worse batsman than Smith.

    The question (not suggestion) is not ridiculous in the slightest. Look at how Shaun Marsh has fared versus said bowler after a good Shield run.
     
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    Agreed. The only knock I could possibly come up with on smith - and to be honest it’s not really a knock it’s just being picky - his home tracks where he’s averaged an incredible 77 or something for most of his career, have probably been by and large the flattest in the world during that time. Kohli gets to bat in some absolute roads as well but India probably throws up more minefields than Australia. Still think smith has been comfortably better in tests though.
     
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    Need a Pujara/Ashwin like partnership from these two.. also why we shouldn’t be accepting things like “I would’ve taken 9/250 at the start of the day” because that’s bull****. Disciplined bowling and they’re all out for 150-180, even taking that review.. all out 200ish and we’d be taking a lead/breaking even. Something that is 100% needed given we are batting last. Those 50 extra runs will come back to haunt us in a big way. Forget complaining about our batting.. we all know it’s shit. But there’s been big moments in this game where we could be on top even with said batting, but we haven’t taken them , and India (mostly Pujara), have.
     
  19. Hunglikemajak

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    Ashwin has a great record against Warner. Do we sit Warner out of this series if he wasn’t suspended because of his lopsided match up with him?

    Don’t use Marsh’s dismissal today as some form of justification to your argument. The bloke is in the middle of the worst run of form from any Australian batsman since the 18th century. If Ashwin doesn’t dismiss him cheaply somebody else does.
     
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    Warner's an opener though, plus he has a much better Test record than the players under discussion. By the time Ashwin dismissed him he would have at least scored some runs. That's different from facing him first up.

    How about all of his other dismissals versus Ashwin then?
     
  21. Hunglikemajak

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    Because it’s not as if India have never opened the bowling with Ashwin before? He dismissed Warner multiple times the last time we played India in a series opening the bowling.

    Anyway, it is ridiculous to be considering dropping players purely based on lopsided records against individual opposition players.
     
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    I agree, it’s unfair to compare them or anyone to those teams. I only brought it up as the comparison between those guys getting dropped and coming back are very different to Wade being dropped and coming back again. The only real comparison I can find with Wade coming back now is Shaun Marsh but I’m sure they’re are others.

    Despite his form, I just can’t justify how bringing him back now is a good decision. We’ve seen enough of him now to know what to expect of him, which is to average between 20 and 30 and make some questionable decisions behind the stumps. He’s dominated the Shield before and it hasn’t translated.

    If we’re bringing guys back I’d rather see Burns or Maxwell get another opportunity. Patterson is consistently one of top runscorers in tournament and would probably be the best chance of the untried blokes. Agree that it’s not worth bringing in young players just for being young but there has got to be a middle ground between that and bringing someone back who has played 25 games and hasn’t shown enough.
     
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    If we're chasing anymore than 200 it will be bloody tough. We need to get as close to 250 in this innings to be any chance.
     
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    It’s not that ridiculous to choose your team based around the weapons your opponent has. Australia selected a heap of right handers in the 2013/14 Ashes to try and negate Graeme Swann.
     
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    How many times have we all said something similar on this forum. He's had a charmed run thats for sure.
     
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