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Australia v India, 1st Test at Adelaide Oval Dec 6-10.

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  1. Wolfs

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    My thoughts on both days since I'm stuck at work.

    - Finch should have learned from the Indians about not to chase a full ball.
    - Ashwin has surprised me so far with his bowling.
    - Handscomb looks a lot better than before but I would have had Mitch still over him.
    - Rohit Sharma is a spud. Vilhari should have played over him.
    - India is really missing Saha. A great keeper with a solid mentality to stay in.
    - Ishant bowling well isnt' surprising. He has been killing it in SA and Eng.
    - lol poor Shaun. That was a shit ball.
     
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    Ashwin actually only opened the bowling in the first Test in 2017. Sharma/Yadav/Kumar opened the bowling otherwise.

    Yeah, that's a fair enough point. In Marsh's case it would be that issue combined with general poor long-term Test form which sees him booted.

    Anyway, my point was less about Wade's individual record versus Ashwin as it was that Ashwin is an off-spinner and if the deck isn't turning greatly off-spinners are more effective against left-handers than right-handers. All three of Ashwin's dismissals today were left-handers.

    I've already admitted that at face value selecting Wade is reasonable. The question is whether or not he would struggle starting against Ashwin's off-spin on account of his left-handedness.
     
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    Other factors were involved in selecting those batsmen though and that is the point I am trying to make. To isolate a batsmen’s record against a particular bowler and then to either select or drop them based purely off that is ridiculous.
     
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    Got home from work checked out the days play....... sigh....... alas....... as per normal........ batsmen once again let the team down, bowlers did their bit yesterday , but its the same old same old..... batsmen letting the country down..... should not really be surprised .......Finch as a Test Match Opener FFS.
     
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    It ain't working!
     
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    Let's bone Handscomb as well on the back of his fantastically idiotic dismissal.
     
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    Given how soft he ultimately proved to be, I'm betting his iPod is stacked with Perry Como and the like.
     
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    I suppose that the problem with punting people based on dumb dismissals is that the way we're going you would have to change at least half of the Top 6 every Test.
     
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    Despite the shot that he got out to he looked really good. There’s potential there at the very least.
     
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    He apparently listened to a cover of a Cheap Trick song, so I'm guessing pop-rock at least.

    I don't think he was ever likely to enjoy a long Test career - his action was an injury waiting to happen and he didn't offer much when he wasn't bowling well (which to be frank was too often).
     
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    Even if he does, it should be career ending.

    If we are going to rebuild...and I don't mind if we do but having a thirty six year old failure spud up all the time at number 4 is a worry. His shot today was just classic Marsh If we are 2-300 put him down for a ton, 2 for 40...may as well be 13th man for the use he'll be
     
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    And plus the national television coverage commentators like Ian Smith can crack willow and fap over NZ having Zimbabwe 4/10 after getting readmitted back into test status
     
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    I was having a drink in the Hyde Park Tavern not long after Tait played that Test against India in Perth when I saw him waiting at the lights to cross Park St and he looked buggered. I reckon you might be a bit unkind here, he looked like he had issues.
     
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    India would have to drop Vijay, Rahul, Rahane, Kohli and Rohit. I'm okay if I was supporting India with the last one.
     
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    4 of those guys have been pretty patchy this year actually.
     
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    On Wade, if he's logically the next best bat on current form, play him. There's an Ashes tour in a matter of months FFS, it ain't the time to be throwing kids in to see how they handle it. It could legitimately derail a young career.

    Imagine Mike Hussey had been given a shot at 24 and maybe again at 27 and not quite made the grade...would he have been given the opportunity to have his incredible post-30 international career? Even look at Ishant Sharma now and tell me he isn't a better player now than his first tour here.

    Given the current state of the national team, Shield form has to count for something regardless of age.
     
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    No Smith leaves us with no one with the ability to force India to take Ashwin out of the attack. We can't let him bowl for entire sessions unchanged and expect to make any sort of score.
     
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    Why are all our batsmen left-handed? Plays right into Ashwin's hands
     
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    My overall thoughts:

    1) A poor day, but with our batting lineup how surprised should we be? It has gotten to the point where we need to bowl sides out for 150-200 consistently to have a good shot at a first innings lead, but that just isn't a realistic expectation no matter how good your bowling lineup is. Paine losing his way with DRS/field placing towards the end of yesterday looks like it will hurt.

    2) Langer has put his stamp on the side in terms of playing style - where Lehmann's sides often tried to hit bowlers out of the attack, Langer's sides try and grind them down. The problem was that 1) we didn't rotate the strike effectively like Pujara did yesterday and 2) a few of our batsmen played poor shots. As such, we may not have collapsed over minutes, instead eroding over hours, but the end effect was still similar.

    3) India generally bowled tight, disciplined lines. Against such a unit it is important to rotate the strike, not only to get their fielders to wear themselves out by chasing the ball, but also to disrupt their bowlers rhythm against left-right hand combinations, and also give their captain something to think about RE field placings. We didn't do that though, so their bowlers were able to settle into a comfortable rhythm and Kohli didn't really have to change that much. western royboy suggested that this was down to 20/20 cricket and its emphasis on boundary-hitting rather than running between the wickets (unlike ODI's) and given CA's apparent deference towards that format I have to agree.

    4) The conditions are hard to read because IMO neither side has batted particularly well. My impression yesterday is that after some early movement with the new ball, the pitch was largely blameless and could yield plenty of runs provided that batsmen got set, rotated the strike intelligently and didn't play silly shots. Today there was a bit more spin but nothing extravagant. Again, Travis Head showed that patient, intelligent batting could get results.

    5) Beyond a second innings miracle, Shaun Marsh is surely on his last legs. He did well in the Shield but his Test form has been shocking and Ashwin seems to have his number. The question is who replaces him. Wade and Maxwell are the most obvious options. The former is in better Shield form and plays pace more effectively but the latter is a right-hander (thus making it harder for Ashwin to dismiss him on non-dustbowls) who plays spin better. Wade is more likely to be selected.

    6) I'm worried about Finch's technique when the ball is moving. He will do OK opening in the UAE and facing a lot of spin bowling but I'm not so convinced he can do the job here. Maybe give him one more Test match before making a decision.
     
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    Obviously they aren't all left handed are they.

    U just pick the best 6 bastards with the stick and see if the can do the job. I'm against licking blokes because they hold the bat on a certain side because of an opposition bowler
     
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    Most of our top six are, yes.

    Wasn't advocating picking on the way they hold a bat, just an observation.
     
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    Idk.

    At least Head is doing a good job thus far.


    I think Shaun will be fine for the series.

    Finch will get the series as well. I reckon if both him and Shaun mess up, it gives new blood a chance against a weak SL team, and to be able to build for the Ashes.
     
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    Truth is, Shaun Marsh's selection reminds me of Marcus North's selection during the 2010/11 Ashes.

    Both were left-handed batsmen who kept their place on account of some good Shield scores (as in Shaun's case) and a recent Test century (North's case) that obscured the fact that both had endured quite shocking runs of recent Test form. Plus, both were up against off-spinners who had their number (Swann/Ashwin). North failed and was dumped.

    For that reason, I'm very worried about Shaun. It's hard for me to see him turning things around ATM.
     
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    If a 35 year old has to turn things around he shouldn't be in the side.
     
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    Good old North. All I remember is that he took a wicket at Brissie in the 2nd innings.

    Well you just hope that he can score runs in the 2nd innings. All that he can do is be patient and score runs.

    It is also up to the other players in Shield to score tons and that includes Mitch Marsh, Wade, Maxwell, and so on. Shaun got in because he made runs when others didn't
     
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