Australia v Sri Lanka; 2nd Test @ Manuka Oval Feb 1-5.

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Agreed, you can make the case for people like Head and Bancroft who were thrown into state level cricket early and had to get through a couple of tough seasons but the guys approaching 30 don't have that excuse. People talk up Burns' shield runs but a best case scenario would be averaging around 37 in Tests long term you would think. At that point I'd rather back one of Bancroft or Renshaw if they can find form in the Shield season.
To be fair to Burns, he got thrown in fairly young (age 21) to what was at the time a pretty poor Queensland set-up himself, and has one of the better records currently going around in Shield cricket - 67 matches, 110 innings, 43.06 average (12 hundreds, 28 fifties, 9 ducks).

Being forced to turn himself into an opener out of necessity for both state and country probably stalled Burns' development somewhat, but credit to him, when he first got dropped from the Test side, he went back to the Shield and made runs (725 runs @ 55.76 last season, 472 @ 47.20 this season, both at strike rates over 60) to stake his claim again.
 

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Getting the new ball was great. The best. Run in hard, hit the deck hard and send it through. You’ve got to look after that ball all innings though.
As a bowler there was nothing more annoying than opening with another bowler who didn't know how to look after it.
 

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Regardless of England's terrible play as of late, I would still be nervous for the Ashes. Who knows about Warner and Smith's game shape. Lots of questions will be answered in 6 months time.
Honestly, if they end up fielding similar sides to those they've put out against the Windies in the last couple of Tests, we should be going in as favourites. Their batting is atrocious, and their bowling is that good that it will make up for it.
 

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Regardless of England's terrible play as of late, I would still be nervous for the Ashes. Who knows about Warner and Smith's game shape. Lots of questions will be answered in 6 months time.
Didn't England struggle, though not this badly, in the West Indies before the last Ashes in England?
edit: 1-1 draw which is what I thought, but England perhaps marginally the better side in the 2015 series. My recollection slightly out (no surprise) I was thinking 1-1 with the Windies unlucky.
 

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Nevertheless I still get PTSD from looking at the Australian side post McGrath/Warne era. Look great at home and cover the cracks only to be thrashed or have a close defeat away from home. There are exceptions like South Africa when Johnson was at the peak of it's powers but more likely it results in a loss.
 

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Getting the new ball was great. The best. Run in hard, hit the deck hard and send it through. You’ve got to look after that ball all innings though.
Or opening as a medium pacer with the quick at the other end. Bit of banana bend and over goes the middle and off
 

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I had a great pair of hands, last full season I played I took more catches than made runs.
The last full season I played I probably dropped more catches than I took, took more catches than I scored runs, and scored more runs than I took wickets.
But, I probably still got pretty close to the most out of my lack of natural ability.
 

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As a bowler there was nothing more annoying than opening with another bowler who didn't know how to look after it.
I remember when I (briefly) played school cricket, we'd open the bowling with these pacey "bang it in" types who didn't know a thing about ball conditioning and didn't need it at that level (where you can get by and get wickets on extra pace alone), and we'd play on these rough turf pitches, or the "artificial turf mat over concrete" type thing, with boundaries that were probably 40-50m from the bat at best.

I'd come on first or second change, and I was very much medium pace, so needed a bit of help from the ball to do anything, but you'd get this scuffed up thing to bowl with on a road with short boundaries. You'd have to try your best to just contain rather than take wickets, but then you'd either get taken off for not taking wickets, or you'd bowl one ball that's slightly off and gets hit for four, and get changed out for giving up too many runs.

Then when I batted, I'd get put in the top order (sometimes even opening), despite being a relative bunny (could have been decent, but really had no patience to watch the ball, and no shots beyond swinging the bat in the direction the ball came from, hence everything ended up as a straight drive or a nick), and invariably get out for a low score (often got bowled, often for a duck), making it a shitty experience all round.
 
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With Warner, Smith, and Bancroft, set to return and the blooding of some kids this summer things don't look to thin for bats.
Bancroft for Harris and Smith for Lausacombe and the starting 11 is competitive

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Bancroft is a long way off from being pencilled back in IMO.

A lot will depend on the run home in the Shield.
 

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The last full season I played I probably dropped more catches than I took, took more catches than I scored runs, and scored more runs than I took wickets.
But, I probably still got pretty close to the most out of my lack of natural ability.
This sounds like a speech by Bilbo Baggins.
 

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The last full season I played I probably dropped more catches than I took, took more catches than I scored runs, and scored more runs than I took wickets.
But, I probably still got pretty close to the most out of my lack of natural ability.
Speaking of a lack of natural ability.

I remember the panel on The Offsiders congratulating Gideon Haigh on playing his 300th game for his local cricket club.

He said it was a case of availability over ability:D
 

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Bancroft is a long way off from being pencilled back in IMO.

A lot will depend on the run home in the Shield.
Probably correct. I'm not a Warner hater but @ 33 I reckon we need to look to the future
Bancroft
Burns
Kwahja
Smith
Head
Patterson
Paine
Bowlers

Looks about as strong as we can field I reckon



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Speaking of a lack of natural ability.

I remember the panel on The Offsiders congratulating Gideon Haigh on playing his 300th game for his local cricket club.

He said it was a case of availability over ability:D
If you've not read The Vincibles, his diary of a club season I'd highly recommend it.
 

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Think Uzzie opening full time would be something I could get around. He’s a little like Shaun Marsh in that when he gets going he’s awesome to watch, but struggles with uncertainty around whether to play his shots or be conservative.. especially at number 3 where you don’t want to be losing another quick wicket after the first. Feel like if we open with Warner and Uzzie, and lower the expectations on the opening wicket, we’d get the upper hand fairly quick more often than not
 

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Won't matter when he retires and people certainly don't factor it for every other players test records.

I mean, Tendulkar has 5 test hundreds against Bangladesh, a Bangaldesh team that would get beaten by an innings to their current team.
I feel stuff like that is always taken into account. You'll never hear Sangakarra in the goat conversation for example.
If you take minnows out of existence, Sangakkara (52.61 average, 29 centuries, 44 fifties) actually has a slightly better average than Tendulkar (51.01 average, 43 centuries, 65 fifties). At least a third of those innings came with Sanga also having to keep wicket in the same match, too.

For those that are curious - Test Batting Averages, without Tests for/against Zimbabwe/Bangladesh/Ireland/Afghanistan (minimum 60 dismissals)
 
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