It's the fault of the league, or commission, that the Tas Gov't tourism department offers clubs $$$ to come down & play?
Interesting.
Interesting.
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A rose by any other name.
Am I on everyone's ignore list or something?
All of that comes into it but you can't deny it was the VFL (& commission) who made the positive, forward thinking moves.I'd argue that the VFL ended up dominant over the SANFL and the WAFL due to the higher population of Melbourne in regards to Adelaide and Perth, and the presence of more money.
If the mining boom had happened 20 years earlier, we would have had a more equal league.
All of that comes into it but you can't deny it was the VFL (& commission) who made the positive, forward thinking moves.
Dont try the innocent "woe is me" tripe on either.
Not everything is the AFLs fault. WHEN did the Tasmanian government sponsor 20 million to Tasmanian football if ever? Ive never heard of it happeneing and christ knows they could have used it . Why couldnt the Hobart council find hundreds of thousands for local teams?
The problems and tribal issues that infest tasmanian football are well known to all but the most ignorant of football people.
The dominance of one league only arises if the others lie down and do nothing. Which is exactly what started happening in the 80s, and 90s.
So it's incumbent on the AFL to knock back deals that help their constituent sides, in order to - possibly - help the viability of the Tassie league?
What a joke of an attitude.
I remember when the Tassie North-South play-off had to be cancelled because neither league wanted to cover the cost of RENTING a BUS for the day.
So a pretty professional outfit all things considered, I'd love to see a couple of million sunk into those organisations.
Of course a motivating factor, dunno about the main (or only) one.You can't deny it was out of self interest?
The VFL was broke, it needed cash so it decided to expand.
It had nothing to do with a vision for the game and everything to do with cash.
I don't think it's (at all) fair to say that the only reason WA or SA footy is decent is they got granted a licence back when; or true at all to suggest a top-level team is a cure-all.You keep making comment showing how poor our local footy is & then saying thats why we cant have our own team. Thats a rediculous point of view.
I know how poor our footy is. My arguement is precisely that it has NOT been given a fair crack at the national level that it is the reason for being in such a poor state.
I don't think it's (at all) fair to say that the only reason WA or SA footy is decent is they got granted a licence back when; or true at all to suggest a top-level team is a cure-all.
Or that Tourism board money, directed as sponsorships, is directly linked to funding for grass-roots sport. If it is, it shouldn't be.
Tas should be trying to have a side back in the VFL a couple of years before 2020, when the next licences will go up. I'd like to see them in.
Even though you may be right, pointing at why other clubs are lucky to be in, or that they're not profitable, but still putting the hand out, is not a compelling case, IMHO.The survival or otherwise of Tassie in the VFL is problematic at best. I've said B4, other VFL clubs survive on having AFL alignments or poker machines, not on crowd support. Despite the fact that Tassie crowds were way above the VFL average, Tassie is in the same boat when it comes to generating money to operate professionally in a secod tear competition. I dont think playing in the VFL has any value & doesnt prove anything. After a succession of premierships are North Ballarat going to get into the AFL? Or Centrals in SA?. Also how would say a North Melbourne or hawthorn go in the VFL? With no dfaft picks, no national sponsorship, no AFL of Tassie handouts. I'm sure they would come back to the pack pretty quickly.
Tassie always has to prove something, no VFL clubs given an AFL spot had to prove anything. Some of them were shaky when the AFL started & are only living on handouts or selling games now.
Even though you may be right, pointing at why other clubs are lucky to be in, or that they're not profitable, but still putting the hand out, is not a compelling case, IMHO.
The only value of a VFL club is to show a club can be run to a professional level, to convince the commission that Tassie wants & can support a high level football club.
I am not trying to suggest that.Its not the governing bodies job to keep the records of the lower tiers in ANY organisation. Seriously. The ACB doesnt keep the records for the states, they do. Lets not even get into the fractured nature of the rugby codes, and soccer is highly territorial.
Yeah not a bad call.I am not trying to suggest that.
The individual leagues would still maintain their own records, as, say the Sydney AFL competition does for senior footy where I live.
What I am talking about is the collection, classification and collation of all those records from the individual leagues.
At the very least, this should be done for the state leagues around the country.
Either the governing body (the AFL) should do it or it should set up and fund a body to do it.
Tassie always has to prove something, no VFL clubs given an AFL spot had to prove anything. Some of them were shaky when the AFL started & are only living on handouts or selling games now.
When the VFL changed its operating name to the AFL - and thats all it was a name change - those clubs were already in the league and had been since 1961 when the last victorian teams were added. When it became the AFL those clubs werent given a spot because it was the same league.
When the VFL changed its operating name to the AFL - and thats all it was a name change - those clubs were already in the league and had been since 1961 when the last victorian teams were added. When it became the AFL those clubs werent given a spot because it was the same league.
And that's the closest you've ever had to a professional football club?Beg to differ. D) The Tassie Tigers cricket has had interstate coaches & players, like other states do. An AFL team in Tassie would attract the best available playing & coaching & management talent. Just like all other clubs, thats how the system works.
My point is that demonstrably their are too many teams in Melbourne, the Tassie brand would add to the AFL's national character, more so than some suburban Melbourne names. & that it would be sustainable for reasons I've put on here B4.
Tell me more?
But there was no formal competition till the VFA was formed in May 1877 just after the SAFA was founded with clubs like West Melbourne and Albert Park and most of the current Victorian AFL clubs and the Sydney Swans.
From Full Points Footy
1877: Victorian Football Association (VFA) established with eight senior clubs: Albert Park, Carlton, East Melbourne, Essendon, Geelong, Hotham, Melbourne and St Kilda.
First premiers - Carlton.
South Australian Football Association (SAFA) formed, also with eight senior clubs: Adelaide, Bankers, Kensington, Port Adelaide, South Adelaide, South Park, Victorian and Woodville. Inaugural premiership won jointly by South Adelaide and Victorian.
And that's the closest you've ever had to a professional football club?
A state-funded team in a completely different sport?
When the VFL changed its operating name to the AFL - and thats all it was a name change - those clubs were already in the league and had been since 1961 when the last victorian teams were added. When it became the AFL those clubs werent given a spot because it was the same league.
I'm interested in why 1961 was such a watershed year.
Its good to know St. Kilda was an inaugural member of the VFA isn't it. We've certainly paid our dues in the competition over the years. Pity we don't seem to win the darn thing all that often!